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Used Hatchbacks - Got any ideas?

importboyimportboy Posts: 3
edited March 2014 in Honda
I am 17 and looking to buy a car used. The things
I care about most are style, speed, and
reliability. I also am looking for a car that is
not on the insurance "hit" list. I'm looking for a
240SX but a civic or crx would be nice. I was alos
looking at Golfs but they're to slow. I want
anyone who has any good car that is between 87-93
to reply and tell me if its reliable and any
problems I might have.
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  • Since you seem to want both an import and a hatchback try a '85 -'92 GTI. The only problem I've had with any of them is that they run rough if you've managed to find some bad fuel, but I have no problems when I always stick to Chevron. You may have better fuel up there. I did not very often have the problem in Germany. Insurance rates should be lower than most hatchbacks since they are pretty safe, especially the '90-'92 models. For their time even the 8V GTI's were no slugs: 9.0 sec. to 100 and top speed of around 190. If that is still too slow for you, there are still 2 other options: (1)Performance mods are numerous and readily available mostly from the U.S., Canada and Germany. Just pick up the European Car magazine. (2) Get a 16V, but expect higher insurance rates. Performance depends on the year,but the '90 to '92's go about 200 in stock form and are easily modified to go 220. Stock 0-100 is about 7.8 sec. Good Luck! Check out the GTI conference.
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    Yes, do keep an eye on insurance costs. My husband and co-host, bnormann, have a 1991 Honda CRX that sounds like it might be what you're looking for. Beware, we've paid more in insurance than we did for the car. Why? Two-seaters of any kind are classes as Performance Cars and you pay a hefty additional fee for the privilege. :-(

    carlady/host
  • I have an 89 Honda Accord DX 5-speed hatchback and have found it an excellent urban car. It can seat 4 adults comfortably and, when the back seat folds down, can haul a lot of stuff (about equal in footprint, if not height, to a Jeep Grand Cherokee.) . It has a bit of style, some pep, yet can still handle urban-parallel-parking.

    Honda stopped making the Accord hatchback in 1989. I bought mine used in 1994 at 47K and now have about 83K on it.

    Honda's are usually "bulletproof." I, however, have had a few problems this year which tempers my enthusiasm; I have had to replace both the alternator and steering rack (not cheap items) and now I'm having a clutch/transmission problem.

    Up until now, however, the car has been very reliable. My experience may not be typical; Accords have great reputations. Also note that while I have low miles, but many of those were driven in the city--i.e. with more start-stops per mile).

    One warning, however: Accords rust. Nearly every similar model of late-eighties accord has rust around the wheel-wells. It's a shame because it makes a great care age prematurely. Apparently Honda fixed this problem in the early/mid 90's (according to an unverified rumour from a friend). If you live in a city with cold weather and salted roads, this probably isn't a great car for you.
  • I just bought a 240SX this spring, a 1990 hatchback with a 5 speed. Not much of a drag racer, although fast enough around town, but it handles great and brakes pretty well too (mine doesn't have ABS).

    The back seat lets you carry an extra friend or two (or maybe that's enemy B-) and helps keep the insurance down. I pay less than $1000/year in insurance (20 y.o. male, no tickets or accidents) so insurance isn't too unreasonable, and it's not on my insurance company's "sporty" list. The hatchback means you'll be able to carry much more stuff than you think, and I get almost 30 mpg on the freeway.

    I did have one problem with it, the timing chain tensioner broke the day (!) after I got it. It was sort of a freak thing, and the replacement parts are (supposedly) stronger, but it still set me back $900. Statistically, the cars are pretty reliable, though. I think it's on Consumer Report's "Reliable Used Car" list.

    There's a site at http://www.240sx.org with more information. Also, the 1991+ cars come with a DOHC 16V engine, but in my test drives that didn't seem to make much difference. (Your mileage may vary, of course.)

    So, if you want to go out and beat up on 5.0 Mustangs, the 240SX is not the right car. But if you like twisty canyon roads (like me) it's a blast to drive.
  • It's got nothing in the style department, but the Mazda 323 is an excellent car in terms of reliability and low insurance costs. My 1990 with 140,000 miles on it still gets 35 mpg on highway. The back can accommodate a large amount of stuff and you can carry 4 people (I've even done 5 before, but wouldn't recommend it over any major distance.) Last month I upgraded to a 2000 Protege, but I still love my little hatchback! In fact, it's currently for sale... ;-)
  • I have about $3500 to buy a used car for inner city driving and occational highway excursion(I am a college student). From what people talk here, it seems that ford escort, Mazda mirage, Chevy cavalier, or Geo metro met my requirement.

    I would like to get someone's advice on this: how reliable are the above mentioned cars? Say, a car around 93' or with no more than 10k miles on it. Or, what kind of the car should I looking for with those money, if a trouble-free(no need for big maintainence, if any) car for at least 4 or 5 years is possible?

    Advise and help highly appreciated. Thanks very much. Please reply to [email protected]
  • First of all...the guy talking about the GTI forgot to mention that he was talking about km/hr and not mi/hr. 100 km/hr is about 62 mi/hr. 9 seconds is pretty quick but not super fast.

    I'm a junior in college. This year I bought a 1990 Acura Integra LS hatchback for $4200, with 119k miles (about avg). It gets 26 mi/ga city and 32/hwy. I avg about 28 mi/ga. I believe it fits more cargo than my brother's '88 Accord Hatchback (basically the same as an '89). The back seats fold down like the Accord but my hatch window is round whereas the Accord's is flat so I can fit a bit more (I was surprised at how much more!) in there.

    Performance wise, it's pretty quick. I'm satisfied. Plus there's no shortage of aftermarket add ons for this car if I can afford them later. 0-60 mph in about 9.6s I think. It has 130 hp, weighing about 2650 lbs. Quarter mile in about 16.5s or so.

    Styling. Damn, this is a sweet looking car though! Mine's black with a spoiler and moon roof. I think it's the best looking Integra ever made and the best looking car for the money. I happened to buy a set of '92-93 Integra GS 6-spoke rims used for $240 to add a little flava.

    Insurance isn't too expensive, especially since I turned 21, have only 1 speeding ticket, no accidents, and good student discount. Downside, Acura parts are more expensive than Honda parts. Plus, I've spent a grand total of about $8,000 on my car in 8 months, including regular service and fixing what the previous owner broke. The blue book value was something like $6,000 for the car, though. I would definitely have any car you are considering checked out by a mechanic. I brought mine to a Honda dealer and they told me basically everything that I would need to fix. Half hour inspection for $30.

    I would definitely not waste my money on a Geo/Chevy Metro or Cavalier. Definitely not low maintenance (they're American cars! haha!). You may think I'm a hypocrite for saying that but I knew my car needed work due to prior neglect and was prepared to breathe life back into it. Also, I don't think a either of those cars would last much longer than 5 years. Okay I'm just saying that to be cocky but Hondas are known (as are Toyotas) for lasting into several hundred thousand miles. Sorry for writing a novel.

    Ben

    P.S. Acura is a "sister" company of Honda, for anybody that didn't know, and is made by Honda. Sort of an "upper line" Honda, as Lexus is to Toyota, Infinity is to Nissan and I think even Lincoln is to Ford.
  • sepposeppo Posts: 1
    1991 Geo Prizm GSI, 5 door, manual trans.

    I used to have a 1990 non-GSI version and I loved it! It averaged in the mid-30's for gas mileage, and had lots of cargo room for the 'typical single college student'. The GSI editions have 130hp (instead of 100), and better options.
    1991 is the last year they made the 5 door hatch.

    BTW, this *is* a Toyota Corolla with a different nameplate.
  • In 1995, I bought a used '89 Probe GT. This model was made between '89 and '92. It's a 5-speed, turbo with 145 hp, but a whopping 190 lb-ft of torque (that's the nice thing about turbos). Based on a Car & Driver article I found from 1989, this car would beat a 5.0L V8 Camaro at that time.

    I pay about 600 US$ per year, and it's a hoot to drive. 0-60 in about 7.5 seconds. I've had mine past the 120mph speedo, and it still had more before I chickened out.

    I would recommend it if you can find one with decent mileage (mine only has 76,000).

    Good luck.
  • PS - The $600 for insurance is for full broad coverage. My car is in excellent condition, but you may not need that much coverage.
  • I think a CRX is the best hatchback you could get as a cheap used car. Great on gas, great handling, nice and small around the city. And i know those cars last for at least 200K miles.
  • focuszx3rfocuszx3r Posts: 92
    If you are gonna buy a used hatchback here is what I think:
    If u have like $2000, buy a Dodge Colt, a Subaru DL/GL, or a pre 1990 Mazda 323--those cars are un beatable
    Other then that I dont suggest any hatchbacks except for maybe a civic if you want to pay $4000 for a car with 200k.
    The only good hatchback now is the Ford Focus
  • mznmzn Posts: 727
    If you want a fun-to-drive car, get a VW Golf or a Honda CRX. Unfortunately, since the last model year for the CRX was 1991, you might not find too many on the market.

    You'd be hard-pressed to find a used Ford Focus ZX3 now, otherwise, it might be an option.

    carlady/host
  • focuszx3rfocuszx3r Posts: 92
    I said it was the only good Hatchback being offered now, pointing out thats its the only new Hatchback worth buying
  • atlas1212atlas1212 Posts: 5
    I lost my job and must give up my 2000 Daewoo Lanos S Hatchback. I love it but have no choice. 0 down and take over my 250 a month payments and it's yours. It can be shipped anywhere in the country for under 800 dollars. Or you can pay 10,000 cash and have it outright. I must sell. It is white, AUTO, AIR and has full warranty.

    Please email at [email protected]
  • freddy_kfreddy_k Posts: 376
    My 1994 Escort GT was the best car I've ever owned. OveralI liked it better then my new ZX2. It is very quick, very responsive and agile, very reliable (uses more Mazda parts then Ford) and very economical. It is also surprisingly safe, I unfortunately know from experience, and the reason I'm not still driving it now. Definitely go test drive one anyway, and remember that it is day and night beween the Escort GT and LX.
  • kmtobinkmtobin Posts: 2
    I've got a 1987 Honda LXI hatchback with almost 160,000, and it has been a fantastic car! I'd really recommend it. It's still in really great shape after 12 years, and I've never had to do anything but routine maintenance. It holds four people just fine. (Okay, so the people in the back may not like having to crawl in, but they'll survive...especially if they're your age!) And, the thing will hold the world with the seats folded down. I think mine would easily go 200,000 miles without any major problems. I'd just try to find a seller who can show you through their service records that they've maintained the car. Good luck and happy car shopping!
  • I have a line on my (potential) first VW Hatch but I need some help. It has 34000 miles on it. The price is exceptional and the seller is trustworthy. I am just trying to decide if this is the best option for me and my growing family (my wife, myself, my son and another coming). We're valuing economy, safety and performance. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a ton.
  • I am 17 years old, from KCMO....and im looking
    into buying a new car when i graduate highschool.
    I have a car now, but this one will be the first I
    will buy....so, i feel like its my responsibility
    to look into the situiation and figure out what is
    best. Im looking to spend no more than 10,000
    dollars, and ive narrowed down my choices, but i
    want to know the differences and opinions. Its
    either a 95-98 Mitsubishi Eclipse, or an Eagle
    Talon of the same year. Now, i think i read they
    both have the same basic engine...and that Talons
    come turbo charged alot of times, and thats not
    always good....but i would like to know of any
    differences between them or any stories i need to
    hear that would help me. My dad is an
    airplane/helicopter mechanic, so he knows a little
    and is willing to help me, but hes no car expert.
    I
    just dont want to get screwed over because im a
    teenage girl. any advice or feedback would be
    greatly appreciated! Thank you all.
  • judasjudas Posts: 217
    Hey Seppo, you forgot to mention that the 4 door hatch Prizm is one of the ugliest cars EVER MADE.
  • I bought a 91 Subaru Justy GL, and I love it. It's small but it uses space very efficiently. I get 38 mpg overall, and it isn't slow either. Handling is mediocre on the 13" wheels, but this car is so cheap, putting on 15" wheels is no problem and improves handling immensly.

    OH, and this car is 4wd! Goes through any depth of snow with ease.

    Reliable as a Honda, seats 4 easily, and no one has one, unlike the slew of Civics and Eclipses that are everywhere.

    Get the 5 speed, 4wd version. Comes with a tach and A/C. I still can't understand why they stopped making this car....
  • mrxbromrxbro Posts: 2
    Has anyone heard of this car? It seeems Mazda put out this 5-door hatchback in the early nineties and then dropped it. Does anyone out there know anything about this model? Reliability? Sportiness? (I've searched around the net and have found little info available. I have discovered that Mazda seems to be making a nice looking new 626 hatchback for sale everywhere but here.)

    Thanks
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    You may want to try posting (copy/paste) your question on our Sedans Board, Mazda 626, part 2.


    Please return to share any information you find regarding the 626 hatchback. Thanks!


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  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Be sure to check out this informative article from Edmunds.com's features: How to Get a Used Car Bargain, by Philip Reed and John DiPietro. What do you think?


    Thanks for your comments. ;-)


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  • bmann2bmann2 Posts: 2
    somewhat expensive but has 160 hp in a 2600 lb car, all options including ABS, moonroof, A/C, Fog lights, etc, and is classified under "economy car", so insurance isn't very high. expect around $5000-$8000 for one with low miles and in good condition. rare too.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    -Edmunds.com's Used PowerShopper will assist you in buying or selling a used vehicle.


    - Edmunds.com's Used Vehicle Appraiser will help you determine the true market value of a used vehicle in your area.


    Let us know what you think. These items will also be linked into the Additional Resources box, on the left hand side of the page. Happy Shopping!

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  • I own a 1987 Toyota Supra Turbo I love the car it is unbelievibily fast for an 87 it comes out of the factory with 232 hp I think if you are looking for a hatch back with power and speed I think the supra is the way to go. My supra spins the tires for 1st gear to 4th. And blows away just about every mustang 5.0 out there. I think this is the way to go if you are looking for speed and power.

    Reliability wise the car is great I have to replace the power steering pump on it now and that is it. No a a heavy price for a "street legal race car".
  • ranaldranald Posts: 147
    It's tricky to get speed, reliability and low price all in one car.

    2nd gen (94?-99) Eclipses/Talons tend to be cheap and can be very, very fast but they're small and cramped and often have reliability problems.

    A last-gen Probe GT (93-96?) is cheap and can be alot of fun (it's even got a V6) but the maintainance and reliability can be a risk. They eat spark plug wires, the tranny's can be fragile, etc.

    A Civic hatch would tend to be pretty reliable (the only thing sure to kill a Honda is rust) but not so cheap and not as fast. There's a huge aftermarket fot them, though.

    A used Integra would seem to be a nice balance,
    reliable and decently fast, but they would also tend to be pricier(used) than your other options.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    Did you ever hear the term "certified used car" and wonder what that means...? From Edmunds' Advice section, here's an interesting new article about certified used car programs: Certified Used Cars — The Wave of the Future, by Philip Reed. Let us know what you think. Thanks for your participation.

    ;-)

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  • csandstecsandste Posts: 1,866
    I was hoping to get myself either a Hyundai Elantra GT or a Focus ZX5. Car failure meant that I had to move before both were readily available and I'm now driving an Elantra GLS. That means my 17 year old daughter is moved down to our oldest vehicle, a 1994 Caravan. Obviously it's humiliating. I've offered to swap it out, but want something that you can throw stuff into. That means swapping it out on either an Escort hatch (or maybe wagon) or Sundance/Shadow of about the same age. This will still humiliate her but less than the van.

    So, what is or was your experience with these cars? Reliable? (sort of) safe? Which (if any) should I buy. Would also consider a Mazda 323.
  • pocahontaspocahontas Posts: 802
    so you may want to give it another day or two for more participant response. In the meantime, have you had a chance to compare these vehicles in Edmunds' Used Vehicle Guide and Advanced Vehicle Search? Just a little hint about using our Used Vehicle Guide:


    Once you look up one vehicle (i.e. 94 4-door LX Ford Escort, all you have to do click on the "Other Compact Hatchbacks" link near the top of the page, and it will take you to a page listing ALL the other similar models (hatchbacks) available in the same year. Btw, at a quick glance in Edmunds' Used Vehicle Guide, I noticed the Ford Escort had the highest reliability rating of the three. I was comparing 94's models. Crash test results on the 94 Escort were also "good"; however I should note, there was no information about driver/passenger air bags.

    One thing you may want to consider is that safety equipment, such as dual airbags and steel beams in the side doors, were not standard equipment on most make/models prior to 1995. Also, vehicle weight is going to be the biggest factor in terms of safety. For that reason, you may even want to consider keeping the Dodge Caravan, or at the very least buying a station wagon, as you mentioned you might do.

    Insurance costs will also be lower with a Van/Station Wagon, than a compact hatchback..., especially for a teenager. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

    Good luck with your decision, and please return to let us know what you decide. ;-)

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  • godroxgodrox Posts: 2
    I admit, I don't exactly know all there is to know about cars, what's good and what's not. I'm probably going to purchase one of two cars, both used, and am not sure which one is good. I've read various pros and cons for each car, making them about even in my mind. What do you guys think? Here are the two cars I'm deciding between:

    1997 Toyota Paseo 2D Hatchback, 30k miles, $7,000, 5-speed manual, 6-disk CD changer, power sun-roof, spoiler, a/c, alloy wheels, 1.5L 4cyl. Wrecked once 3 years ago and needed new front clip, but there have been no problems since then. This is a private sale.

    OR

    1996 Ford Probe SE 2D Hatchback, 36k miles, $5,900, 5-speed manual, radio/cassette, 2L 4cyl. This is a dealership sale.

    So, what do you think? What advice and recommendations do you have concerning these two cars? I'd appreciate any feedback you can give. Thanks!
  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    What you should get is whatever suits your needs better.

    Paseo: a bit newer, will certainly get better gas mileage, but also less room (tiny, tiny back seat), smaller in general and more expensive;

    Probe: a bit sportier, less money, good Mazda engine, a bit more room, but worse gas mileage and perhaps less reliable (though you never know).

    Check the insurance rates for both, this might help with the decision as well. Also, check the message boards about both cars here and see what owners have to say. Good luck.
  • godroxgodrox Posts: 2
    Thanks for your input, ghulet! I've pretty much decided to go with the Probe. Thanks!
  • tomj5tomj5 Posts: 209
    I bought a 90 Mitsy Mirage 1.5L/Auto tranny, new. I drove it to work 10 years without a single problem for 120K miles. Never had an AC problem.
    Did routine maintenance on it and had the boots changed about every 3 years. It would cruise AZ I-8 at the speed limit in 115/125 degree heat with a cold ac and doing 40mpg, passing dead fords and chevys. (Ford/chevs cooling systems can't handle extreme heat for long periods????) The Mirage had a large radiator with two big fans. The temp gauge never varied even on hills. Used ones are very hard to find. I can see why. This is a perfect car for a college student. Amazing what you can put in it.
    I am retired and still have it. It is a great around town car(Phoenix). I would like a new car but can't bear to give it up. Yup, it still gets 40mpg and purrs like a fat cat.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    Read the full story in this Edmunds' article: Why Buy New? By Christian Wardlaw. Let us know what you think. Happy Motoring!

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  • ghuletghulet Posts: 2,628
    for 'Autofocus' magazine? I live in Chicago and try to pick it up every week, then again I love to read anything car related. I guess the article is also trying to illustrate that most two year old used cars can be a great value, which is true, as the first two years are when cars take a big initial 'hit'.

    I would love (since I'm broke and have lousy credit) someone to write an article on good 'beaters', i.e. used cars for $500-5000. I live in the city of Chicago, our rents are high, lots of us don't drive to work, so many of us have 'beaters.' I do realize that previous owner care has a lot to do with the 'goodness' of a used car (especially one this old), but older cars can still be compared on their merits, can't they?
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    That's a great idea. Can I suggest that you copy/paste your message onto the Edmunds' feedback form on this page? In the meantime, you may find this Edmunds' article interesting: Five Good Cheap Cars. ;-)

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  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    If you're in the market for a used vehicle, here's some good information you don't want to miss: Vehicle Inspection Reports, Your Key to a Good Used Car, by Philip Reed. Hope this is helpful. Happy shopping.

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  • dinu01dinu01 Posts: 2,586
    What would you chose? I need a reliable car above all. It will be 5 spd. Any of you have had experiences with these 2 cars?

    Thanx, Dinu
  • bri70bri70 Posts: 147
    You can get a used Elantra GT for under 11K with very low miles on it.

    You will not find a better value.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    a magazine journalist is looking for:

    -people that have successfully haggled for a lower price when buying a certified used car
    -people that have met resistance when asking the cert. used car dealership if they can take the car to their own mechanic
    -and people that have been persuaded NOT to buy the car they wanted because of comments on a chat board like edmunds' town hall.

    If any of these apply to you, please call 212-830-9275 and/or send your email to [email protected] It is helpful to include your name and phone number. Please respond by March 15.

    As always, you can also contact Jeannine Fallon, RR Director for Edmunds.com, if you have questions about this process. Thanks for your participation.

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  • maulinmaulin Posts: 2
    Hi Revka!

    I am new to this Car world. I don't know which car is good for me to buy. I want a used car which works fine and can drive me to the places safely. I don't want many fancy features except necessary. My budget is limited to 4000 USD including all expenses. I am a student.

    I don't know what to look for in used car before buying. I have not used cars much so I am totally ignorant you can say.

    Please help me.
    Regards,
    Maulin.
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    You said: "I want a used car which works fine and can drive me to the places safely."

    At 4k out the door, you're primarily looking at vehicles that are as least 6 to 8 years old. Both reliability and safety are going to be limited when you're going back that far. For one, as any vehicle gets older, it's more likely to have mechanical problems.

    Secondly, vehicles prior to 94/95 do not have the type of safety equipment (air bags/side impact steel beams) that are standard on newer models. Just curious, have you considered purchasing a newer vehicle and taking on a small monthly payment?

    That being said, here are a few ideas for hatches in the 3500-4000 range: 94 Honda Civic, 93 Acura Integra, 95 Ford Escort, or 94 Dodge Colt. Statistically, the Civic and Integra have the better reliability ratings of these four. (FTR, these are my own suggestions, not Edmunds' recommendations.)

    I also recommend that you have the vehicle thoroughly check out by a certified mechanic prior to purchase. Other's here may have more to add, so please return for more feedback. Good luck.

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  • kkollwitzkkollwitz Posts: 274
    I just sold my 13-year-old Firebird Formula hatchback at my asking price. Of course, F-bods have bad reps reliability/ maintenence-wise. But if you can find one like mine, properly cared for & not abused, you can expect to enjoy its robust performance for a long time....and fix it cheaply yourself, if you are so inclined.
  • This car is fully loaded, looks goood and runs great. it has 130000 highway miles and just replaced the timing belt. All i was wondering is will the turbo hold up for much longer and is it worth 4000 U.S. dollars. and will it last for a few years. any other ideas would be great too
  • revkarevka Posts: 1,750
    In addition to the feedback here, you may also want to check out our Eagle Talon - Need Advice discussion.

    Also, from our Maintenance & Repair Board, here's an archived discussion I came across: My Adventures with My New/Used Eagle Talon. You may find some helpful information there. Good luck, and please keep us posted on what you decide.

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  • sarah25sarah25 Posts: 2
    '98 eagle talon esi--NOT a turbo engine--asking about $9500 for it...is this too much to pay?? Are these cars reliable? Please tell me your experiences?? It's an automatic if that makes a difference.
  • I'm looking for a first car. I want a compact hatchback, $5000 or under, that has some sporting ability but I just can't settle on one. Those that I'm interested in are the VW GTi 16v The VW Scirroco 16v and the Civic Si (early 90's hatch). Can someone help me find which one is best?
  • I can't speak out of experience or do I know anyone who owns one, but I have heard that the Eagle Talon (Mitsubishi Eclipse) is a rather unreliable car. Once again, though, this is just what I hear. If anyone one else with more 1st hand knowledge has anything different to say, take their word over mine.
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