Ford Focus Hatchback ZX3 - Part IX

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  • jamers85jamers85 Member Posts: 100
    Has anyone seen the July issue of SPORTSCOMPACT CAR MAGAZINE.....in it is a completly modified ZX3. Check it out. "Jackson Racing supercharger,
    Focus Sprt. Intake, JBA header, Borla catback exhaust and more.....they mentioned a max power gain of 76.5 hp@6700 rpm.
  • segacidesegacide Member Posts: 15
    loolala, I don't think that the fan shutdown is a problem, but more like a feature. I've heard elsewhere that when in AC mode and the engine is throttling up, that some cars will disable the AC temporarily so that the car may attain speed quicker. I know with my ZX3 I shut off my AC when I have to go up hill from 1st gear, if I don't it's embarrassing trying to accelerate, especially with passengers.

    Shift knob question:
    I didn't look too closely at this, but I just bought a new MOMO shift knob and I have no idea how to pop off the old one. Do I just tug REAL hard? Are there fins that I have to file off in order to install the new one? Thanks.
  • rathstarrathstar Member Posts: 12
    hello, i'm back after taking a trip for the weekend. before i left, i put the stock filter back in just in case. the light stayed on for a couple days, so i finally gave in and called the dealer to make an appointment. well lo and behold, the next time i got in the car, the light went off :-/
    now that i know about resetting the computer with the battery terminal, i will probably try again at lunch time today with the k&n. pcleveland - thanks for the reassurance that the k&n is actually worth putting in the car!!

    (rs)
  • audiolizardaudiolizard Member Posts: 35
    Segacide,
    Although I've never seen it in person, I know that the factory shift knob is threaded. So you can't just pull it off. Remember: righty tighty, lefty loosey. I'm not sure what you mean about the "fins".
  • bjammin2bjammin2 Member Posts: 42
    I've been a part of this townhall for a while now. I've had my black zx3 for over 6 months and 8000 miles now. Anyone who's been here as long as I've been knows how good I think this car is designed. It handles great. The interior is very well done for anything in its price range. There are some pretty amazing features like a coded key, antitheft radio, AC that shuts off under hard acceleration to name a few, but the infuriating problems I've had slightly dims the good points about the car. First, my front suspension went lame for no reason, and I was forced to pay for the repairs. Then the steering developed a clunk, which took my dealer over a month to get the parts for, luckily under warranty. During that time, my rotors warped. After the repairs, the car still had that clunk in the steering, the brakes warped again, and a new clunk developed. I'm taking my car in again this week to hopefully get everything fixed right this time.

    About bashing Ford...my friends all drive imports and they bash Ford without even giving it a chance. Many will see my car and think its a great looking car until they notice the blue oval. Some will ride with me and are really impressed. I've heard my share of "I told you so's" about buying a Ford. Still, after all these problems, when I think about what I'd do if Ford gave me my money back, I'd still buy anothe ZX3. Nothing out there has the style, personality, performance, and value as this car. Now, if I have to take my car in again . . .
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    It seems to me that the problems people have experienced have to do with QC at the building facility. The reason I say this is that some people have problems, while most (,myself included) have none.

    I've had my Z for 2.5 months and 3500 miles now, and I don't have a single complaint. I'm VERY sensitive to any change in sound or feel of my cars, and I haven't noticed a thing. This is why I feel that some of the cars were unfortunate victims of poor construction on a given part...like bjammin2's suspension difficlties.
  • rubberbanrubberban Member Posts: 37
    the stock shifter knob twists right off. i'm not sure about the momo but the richbrook shifter from kkm is tightened by a tiny little bolt, which you screw in with a little allen key (included).
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Bjammin2,
    I think your problem is your dealer or his service manager. Trying to save somebody some money, and its not you he's looking out for. If it's under warranty, its under warranty. Request the district rep get involved. Write letters, its worked for other people. If that doesn't work find a local TV station which has a local consumer program and complain there. Dealers hate bad public relations.
    Pat
  • alfaromeoalfaromeo Member Posts: 210
    Just thought you Focus lovers might wanna see these pics. Coming to your local dealership anytime soon?

    www.neutralzone.org/puma/gallery.html
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    The COUGus or the foGAR...?
  • zx3zx3 Member Posts: 167
    In post 400 I said I'd report
    "how well it worked" (using fresh wax to remove wax stains on black plastic exterior-trim).
    Forget it guys, it doesn't work very well.
    The old whitish-stains, faintly re-appeared the next day.
    Oh well, I tried.
    zx3
  • zx3zx3 Member Posts: 167
    Mother-.....re. the "peanut butter" tip, I'll give it a shot tomorrow and let you know. Thanks.

    zx3beast....I'll try the "Black Magic" thingy, if Mothers idea doesn't pan out. Thanks.
  • wolf1313wolf1313 Member Posts: 13
    The reason why there are so many problems with ZX3's vs sedans is because the sedans are made in the USA and the ZX3's are not. Sorry but I guess some US employees in Detroit's auto plants still take pride in their work and the saying: "Made in the USA".
  • alfaromeoalfaromeo Member Posts: 210
    The Focus certainly does not need one. Looks BLOODY good like this. If I find more info on this car, I'll let you guys know. Ford has come out with a 'Cosworth' version on many of its cars in Europe. I wasn't aware of a Focus Cosworth, but it wouldn't surprise me:

    www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/lancia/58/gallery/ford/focus_cosworth.htm
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    The Wayne plant isn't that highly rated, and was the birthplace of the tin box Escort sedan I recently had to rent. Check out blueovalnews.com for more info on Ford plants and their quality rating - Hermosillo is highly automated, and has earned very high marks.
  • zx3zx3 Member Posts: 167
    zx3beast...
    I heartily agree with your post defending the Z's quality workmanship.
    I have maybe 700 mi. on my z. So far it has been a flawless performer. Love it.

    And, the BUILD QUALITY:
    Detailing... Fit... Finish... Superb paint job... Superb quiet engine... Doors close close easily with a quality-sounding "thunk"... Comfortable supportive seats... Nice interior... Superb steering/road feel... Instruments logically layed out easily read... Great A/C, it'll freeze you and car in Mojave Desert... Handles twisty roads, on/off ramps, like a Mountain Cat... On and on.....

    BTW, beast....
    the chrome "ZX3" badge (Ford put it on rear, where all other cars have theirs, so it looks so commonplace, so "bla" there) .... is now on front bumper, driver's side, just below left edge of Fog light. Looks way cool. (the distinctive "Z" now has its badge in its own distinctive spot).

    And chrome FOCUS badge is now on top of engine, next to the label FORD. Looks sorta cool there(and mechanics commented on it favorably).

    This has raised "Curiosity-factor" by a coupla points (on 1-10 scale).
    How so?
    Well the Ford Ovals, are small. So lotsa people don't notice them right away.
    And now, with the chrome FOCUS and ZX3 badges "missing from rear deck", people are gawking more at my Autumn Orange Z -- trying to figger out "What kinda car izzat!!??"
    Heh, heh.
    zx3
  • zx3zx3 Member Posts: 167
    Not to contest against you Wolf, but just to cast my Vote (regarding my Z):
    "In my experience so far -- a big THUMBS-UP!!".
  • segacidesegacide Member Posts: 15
    the fins I referred to are depicted in the MOMO instructions of a generic shift knob that is held in place with tension of fins inserted into the knob. MOMO had them filed down so that they would fit into the new knob, but I don't have to worry about it.
  • wolf1313wolf1313 Member Posts: 13
    Im happier hearing that you guys are happy.Because with all the BS and complaining I always read about the ZX3 on this board one would really lean more towards the sedan.The sedans seem to have much less in the way of complaints. Perhaps cause there's fewer of them posting here. But I am still leary of Mexico and prefer having my car built right here in the US. Rather than in a third world country where labor is cheaper.I can't drink the water there and don't want my car built there either!
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    i agree with togneters post that a particular
    problem about zx3 is not necessarily related
    to the overall build quality but more to do with
    an isolated part. parts are sourced all over the world,unfortunately quality of one given part
    can very widely from one vendor to the next.
    this is not an excuse by no means but a sad
    equation of the so-called" world economy".
    obviously,it has its advantages + dis-
    advantages.some mfg. just build better parts.
    the actual assembling of the total vehicle may be sound but a particular part may not be up to spec. this of course all goes back to quality control. i dont believe it to be a widespread problem for the zx3. however ,those who have experienced problems may have another
    view.after reading all the post here from the
    beginning ,one can reasonably assume that
    the majority of owners are very pleased with their purchase in spite of first year model growing pains. to the i told you so ford bashers, there really is no need to convince you , you wouldnt get it anyway.
  • focuszx3r1focuszx3r1 Member Posts: 4
    I love my ZX3 and have had no problems here at 3k. I think the quality if the ZX3 is much higher then the sedan--did u see all the weird problems they are having? you dont see that here! Sure we have em too but not like sedans do.
    hey Jammers 85--I saw that car at Hot Import Nights in rutherford NJ, NICE CAR!! I like what they did with headlights and taillights--and that supercharger--its packed in there so nicely. i was dreweling over it for like 20 minutes.
    I am loving my ZX3 more everday, i am 18 and play ice hockey frequently. I love how ALL my goalie equipent fits in the back under the cover with the seats up--plenty of room. if you play hockey you know how big goal equipment is--so thats a great plus to this car--if it could only help with the smell I would never buy another car!
  • jamers85jamers85 Member Posts: 100
    i went to my dearlership this morning to get my touch up paint. there i saw a sangria red zx3 being parked in the showroom. as always i still look inside even i know it's thesame as any other zx3. But to my surprise there was something different inside. they have installed what they called BRUSHED ALLUMINUM SPORT DASHBOARD (someting like that) it made the interior sporty. it's kinda like the one have in europe with the bright metallic trim. but this trim is even brighter...but when i saw the price on, it said 485 dollars ..i'll try to take a picture of it and post it. although it's very impressive it's also very expensive.
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    Actually, I have the opinion that the ZX-3 is well built (I have had 2....I won't bore you with why I only have 1 now), but both are very well made.

    Some of the materials are cheap inside, but reasonably well assembled. Some of the edges of the plastic are sharp. I wonder too, if the seat cushions will hold up over the long run. I am picky and I think all the choices are justified when thinking the car I have is 12,400 USD. The average car in the US is over 20 K which is considerably more than what we paid.

    IMHO, I think there are not that many complaints about the zx-3 in this posting. That is my take on it.

    I have exactly 3000 miles on my car. Runs great. No issues. (I have a slight rattle in the indoor pillar on the driver's side though...may be stuck with it for life...).

    ND
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    I received my EBC Green Stuff Kevlar brake pads, and hope to install them this weekend. After I get them bedded in, I will report on braking performance and the EBC claim of virtually dustless operation. They appear to be very well made, and the green color should look pretty neat peeking out from between the (hopefully clean!) wheel spokes :)
  • gabegarwickgabegarwick Member Posts: 127
    Yes yes. You must tell us more about the green pads from planet Kevlar. (huh?) Would like to hear how they perform.

    must go now,
    counting down....

    ...5...

    ...4...

    ...3...

    ...2...

    ...1...

    {poof!}
  • jsbxjsbx Member Posts: 18
    I am waiting for my Z. I will be driving a very long commute (at least 2K a month...blowing thru the warrenty very quickly. I am wondering who has the most miles on their Z. (and of course what probs having)> I'd like to know perhaps what I can expect.

    Thanks!
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    I have a 5 spd, air, pw, pdl with remote locking device, tilt wheel equipped zx-3.

    I have had it for 2 months and it has 3000 miles on it. It is virtually perfect.

    Problems:

    Steering wheel did not point straight ahead even though the car drove true. Fixed by the dealership with no questions asked.

    I have a slight rattle in the pillar by the driver's side door. Inconsistent and I believe very hard to fix. I am living with it now.

    My Satisfaction level:

    I am satisfied. I wish it had a 1.8 L BMW engine in it rather than a Ford ztec, but I do like the price. (notice I didn't say transmission....I think the 5 spd is pretty good as well as the clutch!)

    Recommendation:

    Break in the engine slowly. Do not rev over 3500 rpm until 1000 miles are achieved. Do not drive it like a race car until you have 1000 miles and allow the parts to wear in. Meaning: do not brake, steer, go over bumps like a mad man (or woman)

    Doug
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    I mean, not a single maintenance issue of any kind. I drive around town primarily, but have gone on 3 trips of good length. Expect mileage to be below expectations for the first few thousand miles.

    Do your car a favor and change the oil early the first time to get the metal shavings out that result from break-in.

    Not much for me to say, 'cause I've had no problems to report =]
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Doug, the 1.8/1.9 liter BMW engine (known internally by BMW as the M42/M44 engine) has a rather poor reliability record due to a rather serious design defect involving the front cylinder head cover profile gasket. This gasket fails at about 60K miles often due to galvanic corrosion, the result being an often sudden, total loss of engine coolant. BMW has been quietly making good on many out of warranty repairs, and has been threatened with legal action over this defect. It is a bad deal. Plus, while I loved my '91 318is with this engine, the torque curve was very biased toward high RPM performance (like Hondas), so you had to rev the whee out of it to get around in town... tiresome.
  • drebe73drebe73 Member Posts: 243
    That Puma is so cool. If it makes it to the American market I bet they are going to take away alot of cool features. I'm guessing the lights will be different, no side markers, no aluminum interior accents. Speaking of aluminum accents, has anyone ordered the set from Focusparts.com ?
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    Below is the sight for initial quality for all cars in North AMerica. The Focus is middle of the road. Could be worse!

    Click on www.auto.com and 3/4 down the page is a JD Power survey.

    BMW Engine:

    Actually, I was speaking of the 318TI. That is the car that I really wanted, but got a z instead. Functionally they are both good handling compact hatchbacks with 2 doors, although the bmw is rear drive. A BMW compared with a Focus zx-3? Of course I could also compare a Ford Aspire 2 door hatch with the z!

    (I am causing trouble today....I just insulted the BMW 318TI owners and just insulted all the z owners for comparing their beloved car with a Ford Aspire. I did make the Aspire owners happy, even though the car should now be called 'Expired' now---oops I just insulted everybody. You just can't win!)

    I didn't know bmw had a flaw, and it just goes to show you that you can be burned even when you buy the ultimate driving machine (talk about pompous!)

    Can't wait to get in a drive on this beautiful day!

    ND
  • ezavaletaezavaleta Member Posts: 25
    Hey Silver Bullet,

    I'm interested in your performance assessement of the new pads. I just bought my second rainforest green ZX3 (gave first one to my sister) and think the green pads would be especially cool in matching monochromatic. I would wash my first ZX3 about every 10 days, and hated dealing with the wheel dust. Please provide purchasing info if they appear to work as clained.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Doug, the 318ti has the same engine, so the profile gasket problem may haunt the owners of that car as well. Other examples? The M50 2.5 liter six used by BMW in 3 and 5 series cars had a waterpump with a plastic impeller that frequently separated from the pump shaft - result was a nasty overheating situation from a waterpump that appeared to be fine, until you took it off and saw the impeller was missing. Lots of folks warped cylinder heads and helped BMW service techs put their kids through college with that repair. Bottom line - no manufacturer is immune from problems, despite all the marketing hype. Even the most highly regarded engineers have their off days...
  • drebe73drebe73 Member Posts: 243
    I was looking at the puma pictures and noticed something that I have noticed on alot of european cars i even think the European Foci have it too. I have noticed these round circles in the bumpers of the cars. It looks like some sort of cap.

    http://members.tripod.com/~matdeny/puma/puma1.jpg

    if you check the above picture you can see what I'm refering to. That circle under the passenger side head light. What is it?
  • outafocusoutafocus Member Posts: 6
    Hey great forum everyone... enjoy all of the comments very much. I have a egg yolk yellow x on order, and it is NOT the same color as zinc yellow!!!! Brighter and livlier. I have color charts since I work at a Ford dealership, I know.
    Im waiting till early July to get the yellow 2001 color. Also, I'm hoping to add the way cool Kona seat covers to it for protection!! Glad to hear the praises of first model year car; Ford really did do their homework this time (I hope). :)
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Drebe, my guess is it is a cap that hides a threaded hole into which a metal tow loop can be installed, whenever the car needs to be tied down on a wrecker or winched. BMWs have a similar arrangement, and even include the tow loop in the car's toolkit.
  • alfaromeoalfaromeo Member Posts: 210
    I agree with silver bullet. The cover probably does hide a tow loop. Usually, these protrude somewhere under the spoiler, but due to the Puma's envelopping spoiler design, they may have chosen this solution.

    It MIGHT also be the following: in Northern European countries, it is not uncommon to preheat your car before starting it in the morning. So people simply 'plug' their car to an outlet in the garage, and an automatic timer starts the heating process some minutes before they start their car. When I lived in Norway, I saw some cars with an electrical plug hanging (an inch) out of the front grill. ...Looked silly!
  • alfaromeoalfaromeo Member Posts: 210
    I just checked a European Ford site and was surprised to see that they are STILL selling the Ford Fiesta and Escort (a very different car from the US model) alongside the Focus.

    Their range thus includes the Ka, Fiesta, Focus, and Escort, all in the 'compact' car range.
    The 'Ka' and 'Focus' are distinctly 'new age' while the Fiesta and Escorts are basically 'very' old cars and are widely considered to be 'classical' if not borderline 'boring'.

    If anything, this cohabitation of 'new age' and 'old age' styling seems rather odd. I guess they don't want to 'lose' the old models as long as they sell?
  • whyfordwhyford Member Posts: 50
    ZX3 had a wee bit 'O giddy up and go when the tach went into 4k and had boost at 5k RPM.

    Maybe i will reset the CPU and try again because i drive very sedate (safe and slow shifting) most of the time BUT when i want to MERGE NOW....Baby Blue thinks i want to get MPG more than FPS (feet per second)?

    I really like the car but i can't reach the steering wheel without leaning forwards like the hunchback of Notre Dame ("I am not an animal").

    Windows are hard to reach!? I have small hands and find it a problem to move the seat adjustments.

    Engine sounds loud to me when revs are up because i never really liked four bangers.

    Maybe i will learn to like these small details that seem to be flaws to myself but...

    I just might trade it in for a Stang or a F-150?

    I need MORE power!

    Power seats....

    OH and my friend at work GOT cruise with HIS 5-Speed Manual.

    I was told there was no such option.

    Now Power Windows! Power seats! Sunroof?!

    And guess what i'm going to do?

    Offer to trade in my 2000 ZX3 for a 2001 LOADED when the come out with the 2.3 liter engine!

    Ohhhhhh did i let it slip that the engine is being upgraded!

    Gotta get into the Honda field soon whispers say.

    I figure 150-160 hp.

    The next 1/2 year model will see a Turbo ZX3 boasting/190 hp from da factory.

    Remember this post and toss it back in my face if i am wrong.

    With all respect,

    whyford :)
  • goochzx3goochzx3 Member Posts: 8
    Hey all,
    I'm pretty much a lurker on this board. The ZX3 is the first car I have bought ever. I ended up finding it on the lot of a "small" dealership on rt. 27 in NJ called Bell Ford.

    The salesman did the usual agree-to-a-great-price-oops-time-to-check-with-the-manager to get more money. However, when I wouldnt budge, they didnt push, threaten, or whine.

    As an added bonus, I recieved a package from the dealer today. It included an additional thank you, a dealer customer survey, and a free bottle of touch up paint (BTW, infra red=vermillon).

    I must say, even though I may feel they "owe" me for being a customer, this is a great touch.

    Of, 3500 miles and not a problem.

    - Goochzx3
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    You are right. It might be 2002 when the 2.3 L comes.

    Have you really bought a zx-3 or is your 'WhyFord' indicates otherwise?

    If you really bought a zx-3 and you already regret it: I suggest that you bought the wrong car and your approach of buying the car was not done with a cool and level head.

    Besides, I can't imagine a person who bought a zx-3 would sing the praises of a 15 year old 'Fox' body Mustang V-8. They are so dramatically different. A mustang is all about power and speed. The zx-3 is a compact economy car with a little zip and decent handling.

    Trading in a car after just a few months will cost you about 5 K.

    ND
  • alfaromeoalfaromeo Member Posts: 210
    If and when it comes... let's hope Ford will get rid of that silly arrow that tells you to shift. Stupid, but that detail annoys me so much...
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Saw a Pitch Black ZX3 parked at the Ford Techinal Training Center today in Buffalo (Cheektowaga). Didn't have dealer plates on it. Must be one of the Ford technicans from WNY brought it. Hope he joins our ranks here. Be nice to have another Ford tech type person on our forum. Its my understanding we already have a couple. Nice to know when we have minor problems.
    Pat
  • jamers85jamers85 Member Posts: 100
    i finally spoke to the sale man regarding the product they have added to the zx3 in their showroom. he said they got it from someone who's working for them...485 dollars is very expensive.
    i got the photos...but no developed yet..by tomorrow maybe and i'll post it somewhere.
  • zx3zx3 Member Posts: 167
    ND, I read your post on Changing Oil Early to get metal-shavings out of new z engine.
    My z now has 800 mi. I changed oil/filter at 600.
    I'll repeat at 1000mi. Then will consider engine to be broken-in. And will go with 2500 mi changes thereafter (recomended by Svce Mgr).
    That is, IF I stick with "petroleum based" oil.

    Here's my Question:
    IYO, and from what you've heard -- if I switch to synthetic oil, would 5000mi. intervals between oil-changes be safe?
    The cost of using synthetic oil (changed every 5000mi) would be same as cost of using petroleum oil (changed every 2500mi).
    Example .... local Mobil station gets $22 for petroleum oil/filter change, $44 for synthetic.

    Your comments (and that of others who care to join in) would be most welcome. Thanks.
    zx3
  • jamers85jamers85 Member Posts: 100
    i have 8400's miles on my ZX3 and i only got it on jauary 3, 2000....do the math...my insurance will skyrocket if i don't stop taking my baby for a ride. Can't blame me...i can't resist. so far the only complaint i have is the slow needle of the fueL gauge.
  • silverzx3silverzx3 Member Posts: 40
    Aluminum dash kit (and others) can be found at WWW.dashkit.com it is much cheaper than $485.00 and looks easy enough to install by any "shadetree" mechanic.

    I changed my oil at 500 and 1000 with petroleum base and switched to Mobil One at 4000. The Mobil One still looked very good at 9000 when I changed it again. I like the synthetics.

    Dealer overfilled on the first two oil changes. I now only hand them 4 quarts of Mobil One. I top it off myself. They have also had some confusion about the oil filter The Zetec & SPI use different filters. (I guess they do not see the Zetec on the valve cover)

    Scott
  • loolalaloolala Member Posts: 19
    I got the car back from the dealer today. It couldn't be started on the 4th day I got it. The problem: LOW battery! They charged the battery for me, and problem solved (at least for now). I still like the car a lot, but just get laughed at by those people who advised me Not to get a Ford!

    Anyway, I just doubt the helpfulness of Ford roadside assistance. They gave the address of a Lincoln/Mercury dealer to the tow truck driver even (I assume) he knew it was a Ford he was towing. And it took them (me) at least an hour to locate the car after I found out it was not at the Ford dealer. So I had to call and tow the car 2 blocks to the Ford dealer, and that wasted another day that I can drive my car.

    While I was giving up starting the car last week, I tried to find any defects to be fixed while the car would be at the dealer. Found nothing, but I would have to say fit and finish is average. The plastic panel around the top of the door opening is uneven. I would say that my friend's Integra doesn't have something like that. However, you really have to pay attention to notice it. It won't bother me that much.
  • hkoenen2hkoenen2 Member Posts: 70
    I read with interest that people are changing their oil far more frequently than the 5000 miles recommended by Ford. Is there really a benefit to this? In all the cars and miles I have driven, several cars over 100k, I never had the engine fail because of an oil problem. Even my 3 cylinder Metro was still running strong at 130k and I only changed the oil as recommended in the manual and not what the oil change places and dealers tried to sell me. So my question to you, where is the benefit in exceeding the manufacturers recommendation and changing the oil every 2500 - 3500 miles?
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    It makes you feel good?

    I remember reading a test report on this topic a few years ago. It may have been done by Consumer Reports, but I can't remember for sure.

    The test involved a fleet a city taxi cabs. A number of cabs were equipped with new engines. Before the engines were installed they were torn down and critical wear points were carefully measured. Then the cabs were put back on the street. Some were giving frequent oil changes and others were maintained following the manufacturers recommendations.

    After some long period of service (can't recall the exact milage) the engines were removed, torn down, and the parts were remeasured.

    There was little to no difference in the measured wear on the two sets of engines.
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