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Volvo V70 Wagon Experience



  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    I'm considering buying a new V70 (debating between this and the Subaru Outback). At this point I have to take something that's already on a dealer's lot, pretty much, since the model is being discontinued.

    I really want Premium, Climate, and Convenience. Would take BLISS and the PCC if they happen to be on the car.

    Can anyone comment about the NAV system? Is it worth looking for a car with it? Those seem to be very rare.

    It is also harder than I thought it would be to find Premium, Climate and Convenience all together, but I have found a couple, I think. Dealer's websites do not always explain what packages are on the car, and some aren't clear if their MSRP includes the destination fee or not. Going back and forth between Volvo's main site and the dealer's site, I think I can make a good guess as to what packages are included, though.

    Is there anything you did not get that you wished you had, or the reverse, something you got that you felt afterwards was not worth the money?
  • volvobuffvolvobuff Posts: 35
    Actually, the final date for ordering a 2010 V70 from the factory equipped as you would like to have it is April 15th. I just ordered one equipped pretty much loaded, with Metallic, Premium, Climate, Multimedia (incl Nav), Technology, BLIS, PCC, & Xenon. What can I say -- I like gadgets.

    There are very few V70s on dealer lots; most dealers have one or at most two, and most of the ones available have at most Premium and Climate. Finding a stock vehicle with Nav is virtually impossible.

    I have at present a 2007 V50 and 2008 S40, both with the same Nav system as the current V70. A lot of folks (mostly reviewers) don't like the Volvo Nav system, as its controls are out of sight behind the wheel. I found that once I got used to it, it was very intuitive and quick, easy, and safe to use. Having the screen high up on the dash is a *big* safety plus, after having had several other cars with much lower displays that require the driver to look down and away from the road.

    I would suggest that you find a dealer willing to order you the V70 that you really want to have, rather than settle for a stripped stock vehicle. However, you will have to get the deal done in the next week or so, or you will be out of luck. There is still $2500 dealer cash back available, plus $500/lease or $1000/purchase bonus if you currently own a Volvo. You should be able to do a deal for a few hundred over invoice, less the above amounts. Let us know how you make out.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Thanks. So you're saying that the most important thing is to find a dealer I like and get something ordered that way? I have been talking with two different Volvo dealers; both of them seem to want my business, but one definitely does not have any car in stock that I would want; the other one might - I'll find out tomorrow.

    Is it possible to reprogram the NAV while you drive by voice or other commands? it sounds like the passenger can't do anything because of that placement of the controls behind the steering wheel.

    How long is the wait if you order something?
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Went to a third Volvo dealer today, about 45 miles from my house, and bought myself a car. Actually no money has changed hands as yet, but we agreed on the deal, and I will go back on Wednesday bringing my trade (I wasn't driving the to-be-traded car today), sign all the paperwork, etc.

    It's a Caspian Blue over Sandstone with Climate, Convenience, Premium, and BLISS. Plus Sirius radio.

    I would not have gone out of my way to get the Sirius, but since it's there, who knows, I might find I enjoy having it.

    I thought I had wanted the Seashell color and was thinking about ordering it, per the advice above, but she had a Seashell car there (not with the options I wanted) and I compared to the blue, and in person, actually like the blue one better. They are both good colors and I would have accepted either one on a car with the right options, but I'm just as happy it worked out this way.

    Looking forward to Wednesday!
  • volvobuffvolvobuff Posts: 35
    On the smaller Volvos (or at least on my two) it is possible to make new entries and changes to the Nav program while in motion. On the larger Volvos, including the V70, you are locked out from making changes while the car is moving, apparently for safety reasons. I will probably find this a big annoyance when I get my V70, but am hoping to find a hack to disable this limitation.

    In addition to the driver-operated Nav controls behind the steering wheel, there is also a handheld IR remote control which duplicates the steering wheel controls and could be operated by the passenger. However, I suspect that both the driver and passenger controllers are locked out while in motion. I hope I am wrong about that.

    The waiting time for a special-ordered Volvo is about two months. You can track the production and shipping of the vehicle on-line using the VIN, which is very informative and a lot of fun as well.
  • volvobuffvolvobuff Posts: 35
    Good luck with your choice! After looking over the various color choices, I opted for the Seashell Metallic over Sandstone. The one option I absolutely wouldn't want to do without is the PCC, which I have on both of my present Volvos. The keyless entry and keyless drive features are an absolute pleasure.

    As you probably already know, the current ignition key system on the V70 and other large Volvos is a real pain: you have to insert the key fob into a recess in the dash and then push an adjacent button to stop and start the engine. You can't really keep the ignition key on a ring with other household keys, as I prefer to do, because they will swing against the dash and make a continual noise while moving, and probably scratch up the dash as well. They should have made the keyless entry and drive standard on the larger cars, to obviate the need to insert the key.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Good point about the key having to be kept separate from your household keys. My car does not have the PCC - I guess that can't be added afterward, can it?

    Re the NAV system, I asked about the portable NAV that they sell (a Garmin system) and she said that with that one, the passenger can input changes while the car is moving. Of course you don't get the rear back-up camera with that, which would have been nice, but I decided we could manage without it. We might buy the portable one later.

    Have you seen the Seashell Metallic in person? It's a very pretty color, more towards silver than I had expected from looking at it in the brochure. It's very changeable, from a soft metallic beige to silver, depending on angle. It looked very different when I was looking at it through sunglasses versus just natural light.

    The only two colors I would not have wanted were the black and the dark grey. Any of the other colors would have been ok with me, with the Seashell and the Caspian Blue being top of the list.
  • volvobuffvolvobuff Posts: 35
    edited April 2010
    Unfortunately, the PCC cannot be added by the dealership. It is a factory-installed option.

    Some people seem to prefer the Gamin portable Nav over the factory-installed unit. However, I much prefer the factory unit, which is more highly integrated with the car's audio system, etc. And, as you point out, you can't get a backup camera for the Gamin system. FWIIW, the backup camera can be installed after delivery by the dealer, provided you already have the factory Nav.

    It is difficult to find a V70 in Seashell Metallic anywhere in this area, but I did manage to find one at a local dealership and viewed it on both sunny and cloudy days, with and without sunglasses. However, I ordered the car from my regular dealer and salesman, with whom I have had an outstanding ongoing relationship for the past three years. Fortunately, there are a good number of Volvo dealerships in my area and I do have a choice. I have to drive 77 miles to visit my dealer, but it is well worth the effort. I would never do business with any of the several closer dealerships, having had bad experiences with them while Volvo-shopping three years ago.

    I have found that Volvo colors are indeed very complex and variable depending on the light and the viewing angle. The most extreme case is Chameleon Blue. I have found that most colors are much more attractive when seen in person than in a brochure or on the website. My second color choice would have been Electric Silver Metallic, which has a very attractive blueish hue in some lights.

    I agree with you that Black is just not my thing, but the Savile Gray is actually much more attractive and not as dark in person as the photos would lead one to believe. Caspian Blue is nice enough, but it shows the dirt and road grim very easily and looks awful if not kept clean. In the blue range, I much prefer Barents Blue, which I have on my present V50. This color is available on the V70 as a special order or OSD color and can be gotten on a domestically-sold vehicle if you have a good persistent sales manager working for you. My S40 is Orinoco Blue, which in theory was available only for OSD cars.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Lots of ranges of blues!

    The Maxima we will be trading in is "Ice Blue Pearl," which was my first choice way back then, and which I still like to this day. I guess the light blues have gone out of favor now. Back then, Camrys and Maximas both had an attractive light blue. When shopping around now, I rarely found a model that had a light blue, other than the Subaru which had a black interior mandatory with it, which I definitely did not want.

    Around here, the Seashell appears to be a popular color, but the models just didn't happen to have all four things I wanted. Several of them had three of the four, but none had everything.

    Made me wonder how dealers make up their minds what to order. It seemed like they were trying to hit a price point of high 30's to very low 40's, and didn't want to load up their cars any further than that. So that meant picking and choosing from the available options to hit that point.

    Since the light-colored leather only comes with Premium, Premium was virtually ubiquitous. But very, very hard to find Premium, Climate and Convenience, all three, much less with anything else. I considered myself fortunate to have found what I did.

    The car had just arrived to the dealership four days before my visit. It had 9 miles on it when I took it out for a test drive.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    So, I bought the car.

    Yet, I am driving a loaner because the driver side window does not work properly! It goes up about a third of the way, stops and goes down again. They are working on it... They gave me a loaner to get home because they had to keep the car overnight.

    This is my first Volvo, and somehow this is not exactly confidence-inspiring. The dealership even called Volvo headquarters (or so the saleswoman said) to figure out what's wrong with the window. The other V70 they have on the lot did the same thing.

    I had assumed it would be a simple re-programming (per the manual that says what to do to re-set after the battery has been disconnected for any reason) but sounds like it's not that.

    Has anyone else here had that sort of problem with the windows? What did you find was really the issue?

    Incidentally, is volvomax still around? I notice he has not posted for a long time.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Hello? Hello? Anyone here in the Volvo forums?

    Do other Volvos have the seat-belt warning chime go off even if you have fastened your seat-belts before starting the engine? I hope this is another thing that can be reprogrammed. Does anyone know?
  • gmwaltersgmwalters Posts: 20
    My 2010 V70 does not chime as you described.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Thanks. I e-mailed the saleswoman about it. I'm hoping it can be reprogrammed, because it's very annoying.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    I just installed a set of Bilstein HD shocks all around. At 105,000 miles, the OE shocks were completely dead (I was able to fully compress the front shocks completely by hand!).

    This was long overdue, but the ride degraded so gradually and my wife drives the car 90% of the time, I only just got around to doing the switch.

    The car is utterly transformed. Steering is tight, road feel is wonderful, and the handling is firm with no sacrifice in compliance. It finally feels like the European Touring car that it is. It's like driving a new car again - I'm thrilled.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    You think it's a better ride than the OEM shocks were when they were new?
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    No doubt about it.
  • ldtmldtm Posts: 8
    Has anyone heard of steering racks failing on 2006 V70? Mine is being replaced by dealer under warranty but I'm really concerned as to why it happened and if I run the risk of future problems associated with this failure in the future. I've had ongoing concerns when turning the wheel that I've documented with them but they were never able to pinpoint the problem until now.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    What exactly failed on it? That sounds scary.
  • ldtmldtm Posts: 8
    They did not give me specifics. There was a noise that got worse whenever I turned the wheel. The noise was so bad I was afraid to drive it and it also led me to check the PS fluid which was practically empty. There was evidence of recent leaking on driveway but interestingly no stains indicating there was a leak going on for a long time. The dealer basically said the steering rack needed to be replaced and I should not be having this problem and that this would take care of it. I am going to ask to speak to one of the mechanics - any advice on what I should ask would be greatly appreciated.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    What kind of noise? Was it a kind of moaning sound coming from the engine bay?

    Last year, my V70 started making that sound whenever I turned the steering wheel. Fresh PS fluid was the solution.
  • ldtmldtm Posts: 8
    Good description, that is very much what it sounded like. And I would agree, just fresh PS fluid but in this case they 're telling me the entire steering rack needs replacing.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited May 2010
    I lived with the moaning noise for months and logged several thousand miles before I changed the fluid, and there have been no ill effects with mine.

    I suppose it's possible your steering rack failed, but my suspicious nature tells me the dealer is looking for the warranty work.

    Whether your rack failed or not, there's no harm in getting a new one. They are mechanically very simple, and there is no known defect with them that I know of.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Already my brand new car is having electrical gremlins. The right turn signal bulb has burned out. The car doesn't even have 1,000 miles on it yet! I am not happy.
  • gmwaltersgmwalters Posts: 20
    A burned out bulb is not a gremlin. It is just a burned out bulb, most likely a fluke, a sub standard bulb that was in the mix. Can happen to anyone or any new car. Enjoy your new V70. They are wonderful vehicles. And Volvo will replace it for you at no cost.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    Bulb failures are a part of the ownership experience with Volvo's. I've replaced one or two bulbs every year since I bought mine - usually the dealer does it for free. No big deal.
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Will any dealer do it for free? I bought it from a dealer about 45 miles away from me, but there is a dealer much closer, just a few miles down the road.

    Maybe it's time I introduced myself to the closer dealer's service department.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    edited May 2010
    I'm sure they don't have to do it for free, but it's a cheap loyalty earner for them.

    However, if I lived 45 miles away, I wouldn't go to the dealer to get a free replacement. The bulbs are only a buck or two, and all you need is a screwdriver and 5 minutes... - - &strParents=127,383&P_ID=1583&CAT_ID=383&V_ID=3392

    IPD is a great company, by the way...
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918
    Hubby took the car in to the close-by dealer today and they replaced the bulb for free. This dealer is likely where we will get warranty work done, for convenience reasons, so it was good that they stepped up for this little thing.

    I just hope this isn't a sign of things to come. I don't think I ever needed to change a bulb in 10 years in my Maxima.
  • fedlawmanfedlawman Posts: 3,118
    If you ever see a Volkswagon or Volvo with all it's lights working, go buy a lottery ticket right away... :P
  • biancarbiancar Mid-AtlanticPosts: 918

    Well, all our lights are working at the moment, so maybe tomorrow will be my lucky day. ;-)
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