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Think I will probably go with something near the deal of one percent over invoice less the $1,000 owner's loyalty bonus. Dealer can keep the one percent holdback and advertising expense.
Can not imagine paying Volvo for advertising. I have been advertising their product for a long time!
My net price should be very close to overseas delivery price. I understand July orders for overseas delivery will be for 2002 models. Trade off is getting something now or waiting two or three months. Probably no real difference in resale value eight to ten years from now.
Thanks again for advice.
Can you please let me know which dealership you went to and which sales person you worked with? I am in the SF Bay area as well and have been looking at the same car as you, but have been quoted 4% above invoice at best (on top of all charges including adv).
Much appreciated.
Will let you know of the details.
Thanks
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horespower?
ANYONE know the 0 to 60 mph time? I think edmunds review lists the incorrect number.
Thanks
Also - am I crazy to go out of state to a non-Volvo dealer (say a Honda dealer) to buy? Prices in my area are $2-3K higher compared with 100 miles away. Wondering if it's worth the drive.
So, if the '98 in 7 yrs needed BOTH a tranny and engine rebuild (which is pretty unlikely), but the 2000 didn't in 7yrs, you'd have just broken even in buying the 2000 instead. Doesn't seem like a good deal to me.
Saving $6000 by buying a 2 year older car, and then saving $2000 again by driving 4 hours seems like a really good deal. Even if you spent that $8g's on something else like trips in your new car! :-)
Can anyone provide a positive long term (20k+) report on wear and tear of the V70 Class of 2001? I need a third row alternative but responses for the last 4 months on the V70 have been negative.
I know Volvo is also running good lease deals on the Base v70 but I test drove both and the normally aspirate engine seed too under powered with an automatic transmission. This was really the only way I could afford the 2.4T.
We would appreciate any information anyone can share. Thank you.
Also, Volvo has extended their lease and purchase promotions until August 31, 2001. You can either get 5.9% purchase financing or great lease rates.
I am interested in the base V70 2.4M, but have not yet been able to find a new or used one to test. Has anyone ever gotten to drive one of these? Your thoughts?
Thanks.
Picket
I believe Volvo has crash test data on the third row seating. The seat is smaller than normal seats and really not made for full time use (IMO). Where it really comes in handy for us is when our kids have a friend or two over or we have grandma in the car and we need the extra seat.
Hope this helps.
Steve
ps. after 2 years with the Volvo, chances are slim that we will return to a mini van.
Current Pricing (7/6/01):
When informing dealers I was going to purchase, I was able to get any Volvo, V70, V70 2.4 T and XCountry at Invoice. The caveat here is that all the remaining available 2001 cars are loaded with accessories which help add some $ to final price. I chose to lease the car because of the current Volvo incentives. The combination of low payments with low residual made this choice quite easy. In RI, tax is only on cap cost reduction and payments, so this also soften the up front blow and make it cheaper if I wasn't going to keep the car. I still plan on purchasing this car, however, unless my four year test drive tells me otherwise.
The base V70 168 hp engine is all most people will ever need. It's not just sufficient, it's fine. Plus, from a stop, the base (non-turbo) engine responds immmediately. I tried pulling out in traffic a number of times in XCountry rentals and the initial turbo lag(?) provided slower intial acceleration than needed. As a result I was forced to punch the accelerator resulting in some less than graceful liftoffs. I felt the V70 acceleration quite similar to the XCountry and 2.4T, initial turbo-lag aside. I'm sure, however, if 0-60 is a priority you may find a second difference with the 2.4T. The only drawback I've found is the V70 is a bit noisier during this acceleration, but for comparison purposes this noise is "in the noise". Highway mileage from the dealership 30.3 mpg (another 168 hp advantage).
Owner's manual says optimal gas is 91 Octane, minimal is 87 Octane. Some indication was provided about Knock Reduction but I couldn't discern whether it meant the engine had a mechanism for dealing with it.
In terms of appointments, all Volvo's appear to be created equal. But compared to the Acura MDX and Honda Odyssey, there is just no comparison when it comes to the leather, stereo and ride. I'm not an audiophile, but it's obvious in this car the audio systems and leather have been selected and have evolved. On the other Odyssey and MDXs they were requirements just thrown in to the chassis.
We had the third row seat installed. Currently, this also appears to be another way they tack on extra $, because few of the current inventory have it installed. At most dealers I visited, they are charging a premium for what use to be bundled in the 3rd row versatility package around $1100. As "mstssc" just noted above, I'm a little leary of the safety of children riding in this seat and will restrict it's use to around town driving for the reasons he noted. The kids love the novelty and reclusiveness of it; I appreciate its 7 person functionality.
Be safe. Thanks Edmunds!
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Question for you, I am now looking for a sedan for myself (I don't get to drive the V70 much, my wife does most of the miles). Despite the very interesting cars out there like the IS300, Xtype etc I keep getting drawn back to the S60 base mainly because of the interior quality and all around competency for less $$. However, I am not sure if the base is enough for me. I would likely go manual. Is yours auto or man? I drove the manual but didn't really get a chance to put it through the paces. Our 99 is a low pressure turbo and goes pretty good but I'm not too sure I want to spend the money to move to a turbo this time around. 0-60 is not a priority but having the oomph to pass and merge is. This is where our turbo shines.
Watch that stereo, it will really rattle the mirrors! The problem with ours with three kids is it is in perpetual Backstreet Boys, now and again we can get a bit of classic Queen going.
Any more comments/advice on the base performance?
Thanks,
Steve
I'm trying to price out a base non-turbo V70 here on the Edmunds web site and can't seem to find prices for an automatic transmission. It doesn't appear in any of the option packages.
Could someone please help me out?
Thanks,
Kal
Steve
I can't speak for the S60 at all, I can't even say I could distinguish between the S60 & S80 -- my research was only done on the wagons. While completely unsubstantiated, someone told me that the S60 design and components have been influenced more than the other models by FORD and that the results weren't all good.
I haven't had a chance to drive the V70 since we brought it home, but will run it through the paces tonight -- I'll provide an update
The only reason I'm even suspicious that this might not be as easy as it seems is that when I went to Crutchfield.com, the online electronics place, their installation applications charts did not even list Volvos. Kinda got me wondering . . . .
Any thoughts?
What's a reasonable price for a mid to high mileage '98 with a 5cyl, auto and perhaps leather?
Additionally, is there anything I should look for in a used V70 that might indicate problems down the road? Just how reliable are these cars?
Thanks in advance,
Jon
From there, you may even get this local audio store to sell/install an after market cd changer at the dealer cost (reduced price). Btw, this is the route I took when I purchased my vehicle: I worked it into the sales contract... with a referral slip to have cd changer installed at a local audio shop at dealer cost. This saved me $400.
In addition to asking here..., you may also want to copy/paste your message into this Aftermarket & Accessories discussion: Audio system upgrades (Head units, speakers, CD changers etc.) . Good luck and please keep us posted. ;-)
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I just installed a volvo ad player in the glove compartment of my 98 s70. The volvo player is an Alpine 6 disk and was not too hard to install (the stickers and instructions have Alpine logos). The factory radio has all the inputs that the cd player plugs into. It was pretty straight forward. I bought my ad player last month at the dealer while they were having a special on the DC player with the glove box mounting brackets for around $250. You may want to check a few dealers in your area to see if they are running the special as that would be the easiest to install it. At that price, it's worth getting as it comes with everything you need including all plugs, cables, brackets and mounting instructions for only a few $as more than after market. It's worth it in installation ease alone. If not, then I would think that as long as you get the equivalent Alpine 6 disc unit, it should be fine. As the other poster suggested, I'd check some knowledgeable after market retailers.
So far, the engine has provided all the oomph I've asked of it with plenty to spare. It does have a noticable groan when accelerating, but I like to think that of it as a reminder that your burning more fuel. The car accelerates proportionally to the depression of the gas pedal. I prefer this the to the light resistance, time-delayed acceleration you get in the Toyotas and the Acuras. I thought that I felt at least the delayed portion component of the acceleration with the Volvo 2.4T engine. I could see adding the extra 29 HP to the base to help remove some of this slight noise but don't know if the 2.4T engine answers all the questions. Ask anyone if they would like more horsepower and they most likely will say "sure". In the comparison between the 2.4T and the base, I don't think your getting much more.
After driving 200 miles from the dealership, the gasoline's still above the half tank mark. Very nice to have a 21.1 gallon tank. So far 24.3 mpg at an average speed of 25mph (combo highway and town).
Did a little more looking into the S60, but at that price I think I might prefer to drive the latest version of the baby Benz.
On Saturday my wife and I spent a few hours test-driving the base V70 against the 2.4T. Like SINGLETHREADED, we found little acceleration difference between the two and just a little more of a noisy growl during accleration with the base model (which I kind of like). Right now we're leaning toward the base model; however, with both the base and the 2.4T we noticed a pretty pronounced resonance or hum at idle. Our salesperson describes it as simply a signature of this motor. Does anyone else notice this sound with their V70 and, if so, do you have any tricks for reducing it (salesman said pulling the cargo cover helps cut it some).
Thanks in advance!
Steve
We too looked at the MDX but we all ready have a Durango which I do not like!! I miss the Gr. Caravan's space but that's all. I can't wait to drive my V70!!
Good luck with your new V70! Happy driving!!!
We agree the 3rd row seats are ok for around town & when you need the extra seat for the 6th person/child.
We too had a minivan & the space was so convenient. How did you adjust w/ regards to the 'cargo space'? The V70 is so gorgeous it was probably no problem. Curious to know if you felt a difference. Thanks.
FWIW, Im very happy with the car. There are a few nitpicks I think other V70 owners can sympathize with, like the funky center console box that isnt really a box at all, the lack of any place to put change, tic tacs, etc...and the useless pencil clip where such a storage space MIGHT have gone had Volvo thought about it for 2 seconds.
Plus, I dont know if anyone elses car does this, but often when I get in the car, after having been the last person to drive it, the seats automatically revert to the saved position for my wife, who drives the car most of the time. This is extremely annoying...I still havent figured out why it seems to sporadically default back to that position.
As for the seat adjustment issue, I was wondering if you were by chance using your wife's keys when this happens. If you are not, I would say that your T5 needs to go back to the dealer for a check up. Using your wife's key remote to unlock the car should set the seat and mirrors back to her settings, but if it is happening using your key remote, then there is an issue that needs to be addressed.
We only have 1400 miles on our T5, so it may be a bit early for the odd problems to arise. I must admit the one arena that scares me about this car is the electrical problem potential. Let's hope the problems with the S80 roll out have been dealt with prior to us buying our V70's.
Steve
My only ongoing irritation, so far, is that the turning circle has been increased over my previous '98 V70. This has made it harder to "square up" the car in tight parking spaces
The other issue, discussed in earlier posts, deals with the Pirelli P6 tires on the optional 17" wheels. The tires have been fine, so far, but neither Pirelli nor Volvo will provide any info on them beyond what is in the sales brochure. It appears they were produced just for this Volvo application and replacements can only be purchased from Volvo. Several inquiries to each referred me to the other for more info.
alwaysed, I'm very surprised your dealership wasn't aware of this and I even think it's in the manual if memory serves me right. Take a look when you get a spare moment - if you find it there you might want to consider finding a more knowledgeable dealership in the future if possible.
Good luck to you both (from a man who has learned to pay attention before I hop in either the S80 or V70 after my wife has had it lest I end up with broken legs because she sometimes uses my remote instead of hers!)
-rdo
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With arrival of 2002 models, will there be further discount?