My wife and I are trying to decide between a V70 and a Lexus RX300 SUV. Safety is our number 1 criteria. Can anyone shed any light on the safety between these two vehicles? I'm leaning towards a V70, however, I'm getting a bit uneasy reading all the messages stating the small problems with their cars. Can anyone convince me to stick with the V70, rather than going over to a suv?
I have a Sport Trac which I drive. My wife has a 98 V-70. The V-70 has been a very good car minus the headlight problems. It is also our family car. We got rid of a 4-Runner and a small Ford Ranger when we purchased our Sport Trac. We had the Sport Trac since late May. No problems at all other than the Firestone Tires which were not part of the recall. In July we took a trip in the Sport Trac from Cincinnati to Southern Colorado - two adults and two kids, one dog in the back with bikes and luggage,(1500 miles one-way). No problems.
I like the safety of the Volvo, but if I had to part with one them, it would be the Volvo. With our lifestyle the Sport-Trac is perfect. We can haul horse feed, hay, mulch, pets, bikes, etc. As for the 4WD in the Spot Trac, I can answer that in a few months.If you decide to get the 4WD Sport Trac, make sure you get the the Limited/Slip.
As for the X/C, you can get a hitch and I believe it will tow 3500 lbs. I also don't know if you want to put bags of mulch in a $37000+ vehicle. If my wife did not have her expensive hobby (horses) I would buy the Volvo. My Volvo salesman has been trying to get me to come in to drive a X/C, but I have been avoiding him. I am afraid my wife would be ordering a new T-5.
I hope for your sake you stay away from the Volvo. I've had a '99 V70 for about a year and half. I absolutely loved it for the first 7K miles or so. Since then it has been a relative nightmare, although the dealer has been even worse (Ann Arbor Volvo Mazda). The car has had to be taken in multiple times. Most things have been minor: windshield sprayer nozzles on both sides falling off 3 times before they finally got them fixed right, check engine light coming on after fill-ups (faulty gas tank pressure sensor?), outside thermometer not working correctly (still doesn't but I just gave up on it),front bumper grille (where fog lights might reside) falling off, numerous rattles and squeaks which the dealer just cannot find. Recently, however, I'va had more major problems - after driving through some standing water on a rainy day the engine stalled. Since then the ETS (electronic throttle sensor) light has been on and the car has been stalling periodically, as well as running roughly periodically. Here is the worst part: when I brought the car to the dealer for an inspection, I was told they could not look at my car FOR OVER A MONTH!!!, because they had so many others to repair. I've been driving with this problem for a month and half now, and the car will finally be looked it Oct 20th. When I asked what I should do if the car stops running, they fairly impolitely suggested I rent something, because they have many other cars that don't run. At my expense, of course. This is a car under original warranty and on a lease. In other words, if you have a Volvo and only one dealer in the proximity, you might as well have no service for the car. I think the dealership is well aware of its relative monopoly-- no other dealers within 30 miles ( or 1 hr drive, since we live in Ann Arbor of UofM fame, a somewhat distant "suburb" of Detroit ). To summarize, the car is relatively pleasant and comfortable, but highly unreliable, annoying, and has very poor dealer support.It's safety features, while good, are not significantly different from those offered by other cars in its price range (30 - 40K). All it really has is a reputation, and that seems to be quickly eroding.
I have a friend who has had a RX300 for the last year -- he loves his car and has had no problems. I wish I had gotten one, too.
Some of your issues sound like genuine problems, but a few sound like operator error, most notably the "check engine light when filling up" routine and the "driving through standing water" bit. All new cars have to have the gas cap screwed on THOROUGHLY (several clicks) else the fuel system will think there's a leak somewhere, tripping the check engine light. That's been a common issue with all makes, not just Volvo. As for the problems caused by driving through standing water, well, while it does sound like your dealer service has been substandard, even incompetent, I don't want to sound callous, but come on, you drove your car through standing water; of course there's the possibility some electrical system got shorted, or worse, water got into the air intake.
I'm thinking about buying the new 2001 Cross Country. Does anybody have any experience regarding the towing capability of the 2.4 turbo engine? I plan to tow a "pop-up" camper that weights 2,000 pounds - so it is well within the rated towing capacity of the XC. However, I'm somewhat concerned about the "real" ability of the engine to tow the camper. Currently I tow the vehicle with the 4.0 liter SOHC engine in the Ford Explorer. Also, if anybody has a 2001 XC - I'd appreciate any feedback (good or bad) that they have regarding the vehicle. Thank you.
We are considering buying a '01 XC but are concerned about the hassle of bringing the car to the dealership numerous times, even for minor items. For example, we've heard that if the gas cap is not turned three clicks, the "check engine" light comes on and can only be turned off at the dealership. We live in a state where there are no self-service gas stations; so, this might occur.
For those who have bought XCs in the last several years, how often have you needed to bring the car in for non-scheduled maintenance?
How bout for those of you who have Subarus or Passats?
Bert, the gas cap issue you mentioned is a feature not a bug! It is common to all new cars that are OBDII compliant (I think that means all although I'm not sure about SUVs). A loose gas cap triggers a fault in the gas vapor removal system and stays on for a specified period (X miles and several driving sessions) if there is no additional fault. If there is no additional fault after the problem is fixed the light does automatically reset itself. Hope this helps.
Thanks.
-rdo rdollie@home.com
p.s. - The light will also be triggered if the car is fueled while the engine is still on or in some cases if you 'top-off' the fuel and put too much in the tank.
My wife owns a 99 v70xc, bought in 8/00 with 15k. Since that time i leased a 00 528. i was ready to trade out to either a RX300 or MDX last week. Have decided to wait and save money. My wife says little things always happeneing. It also seems to rattle alot. I feel the Volvo is overpriced. I like the RX better, but don't know if i'm ready to take the hit on a trade or sell. Talk to owners of both that have had them about a year. If i had to do it again, i would buy the RX300. Try to get them to cut the price. J&M lexus qouted me 39.9 for 2wd w nav.
tgame80, the RX300 is a nice little truck (a little too much like the moon rover in looks for me personally but for many happy buyers that's OK). Just be sure it has enough usable cargo space for you because I'm pretty sure it's smaller that the V70 from my experience with it. Also, make sure you stick to buying a new one and not a used one. The RX300 had major reliability problems a couple of years ago when it first came out and it actually ended up costing Lexus their J.D. Powers reliability top spot for a year (it went to Infiniti as I recall). From what I've read of late it sounds like Lexus was able to fix the RX300's problems much quicker than say Mercedes and the ML. Similarly, it has taken Volvo a while to fix the rattles with the '98 V70s. I've been in (and bought) the latest (2001) V70 and it seems to be problem free now with the exception of an owners of one of the earliest ones who had his turning signal light sockets replaced like earlier 70 series cars. At this point I think the RX300 and V70 are both quite stable. I would shy away from the MDX (at least for 6 months or so) because it is so new.
Has anyone here gone to Sweden to get their Volvo? I'd love to hear about your experiences. Good? Bad? Efficient or Not? Any words of wisdom? Thanks for your input.
I'm thinking about buying a 2001 V70 XC that I'd use to tow a "pop-up" camper. When I called a local Draw-Tite dealer to inquire about the cost of a hitch for the vehicle, I was told that neither Draw-Tite nor Reese make hitches for the 2001 V70. I was also told that hitches made for the 2000 V70 will not fit on the 2001 models. Is anybody aware of a manufacturer that currently makes a hitch for the 2001 V70 XC? Thank you.
I purchased a 2001 XC 2 months ago - now has 2,300 miles. Overall nice car. HOWEVER - there is a persistent rattle/chirping noise throughout the car. Maybe it is the suspension issue mentioned in posted #57??
The car is not tolerable w/ this rattle. I called dealer....they indicated it would be 2 weeks until I could get a service loaner car. I did get this moved up after 3 phone calls.
My previous car was a Camry. In 5+ years it was NEVER serviced. Not once. I hope this rattle is not a sign of repairs to come. Even if repairs are under warranty - I can not afford to be dropping off my car at Volvo service center in the middle of the day.
I will post findings after service dept determines the cause.
I am happy to report the rattles in my 2001 XC are fixed. There was a loose lightbulb in the glove box (factory recall) and one of the backseats loose.
I have been most frustrated with my leased '98 V70 AWD.
My burning question is: Can anyone help me with seeking assistance under the Lemon Laws. I am in Illinois and I do understand that they are State Specific.
I have experienced numerous problems from the beginning which are too many to list. Since early on, I have experienced sub-par service from the dealership. My troubles began with an airbag light as soon as I drove it off the lot. I have had considerable trouble with the electrical system (cigarette lighter catching on fire twice!!! and replaced three times), various power window problems (twice), the aforementioned frequent headlight burnout, etc. I have had a constant problem with pulling to the left requiring at least four trips to the dealer with suggestions on varying tire pressure, numerous alignments, varying the steering wheel pressure, some sort of laser frame analysis, all with no avail. I often feel like I am fighting with the car. Recently the seatbelt retraction device on the rear seat broke down and I am currently writing for the replacement (interpret: no more carpools).
I am a professional and I found the frequent trips to the dealership so annoying (every month from Jan through June and twice in July) that I am seeking some sort of justice under the lemon laws. I have been unable to bring the car in and so my wife has taken over the vehicle. She has contacted a lawyer who wrote a letter to Volvo but all we got was the cold shoulder.
I am considering buying a '98 V7 or earlier 850 wagon to replace a minivan. My two big concerns are safety and reliability. I have 3 kids, so using the 3rd seat will be a must, does anyone have real experience with this? Also the reliability, either people seem to love or hate their Volvos. what's the scoop on this model?
I am considering a new V70 2.4T. Would appreciate any comments / info re reliability and also any info regarding target price above invoice (in Texas).
What a disappointment. You spend $38,000 for safety and reliability. Speaking for safety, its difficult to comment on the safety features when it is always in the shop. Since purchasing the car, the following list, while not complete as I have lost some of the repair tickets is what we have encountered since this debacle began:
Mud Flap falling off CD player replaced three times 4 engine oil and fluid leaks Brakes at 20,000 miles Tires at 25,000 miles Window won't roll down All light bulbs have been replaced numerous times Dead battery at 17,000 miles Windshield wipers broken or loose Windshield washer fluid nozzles falling off Problems with delayed acceleration Window tinting falling off
In 24 months, I have made 21 trips to the dealer to fix the above problems. I have made it exactly 2 weeks since my last service visit and this is what is broken now:
Keys are literally in the ignition because they won't come out Numerous squeaks and rattles Moaning noise when turning the steering wheel Left windshield washer won't spray Left headlight washer sprays the hood instead of the light I think the transmission is going out since it is beginning to shift strangely under acceleration Leather is falling of the gearshift
We have e-mailed and spoken directly to customer service of Volvo North America only to receive feedback they will look into it (A/K/A we don't care)
This is the worst car I have ever owned and believe me, this tops the Jeep I bought in 1988.
My advice is as follows before even considering buying a Volvo: 1) Thoroughly understand the Lemon Laws of your state 2) One year lease only, anything greater you are asking for it 3) If you are so inclined to own this vehicle, get the extended warranty (it will only set you back $1,500 clams) 4) Lay down on the couch until the feeling goes away
I'm in the process of trading my trouble-free 93 subaru legacy for a new 2001 awd wagon. I want safety, reliability, zip and comfort. I think I've narrowed it down to the volvo xc and the passat. I was all set set to go with the Passat but one trip to my trusted local mechanics in C'ville VA sent me back to the boards. They told me to steer clear of the v6 engine--loads of $$$ problems and not reliable in the long run. Anyone have thoughts on their feedback. Also one trip to the town hall on the volvo cross country gives me concern about its reliability.
Now I'm thinking I should give the Audi Avant a try? Anyone have thoughts or experience in comparing the Passat GLX V6, Volvo XC, and the Audi Avant?
I too have been looking to purchase a sport wagon for the past year. I have done about as much research and talking to owners and mechanics, as well as surfing the boards to come to some conclusions. 1. All cars have inherent problems and they may or may not include the one you buy. 2. Volvos are great cars with a good safety statistics, but may have nagging problems that require dealer work. As usual the dealer can make or break your owner experience. 3. Independent volvo mechanics are indifferent about the various years of the volvos they work on. Most love the 740 and earlier cars but are split on the later ones. Brakes seem to be the major expense early on in ownership. 4. Passats are very good cars in their price range and are also very safe. They too have a list of small nagging problems and dealers are the weak link. I have personally talked to five independent mechanics who all recommended the passat and two who already own them. They had no qualms about purchasing a 4 or 6 cylinder and liked both the tiptronic and stick. 5. The audi is very similar to the passat with a touch of interior and exterior styling difference and a longer initial warranty. A little less interior room than both the passat and volvo. A very nice car but can be expensive after warranty expires, but no different than all cars your considering. 6. Anyones opinion is just that, an opinion on what he or she likes in a car. Seats, driving position, ergonomics, performance and style are all subjective, especially when you consider what was driven before. Hard to compare driving a trouble free 1990 toyota that was noisy to a quiet $40,000 luxury sedan and not feel cheated when something goes wrong. You almost look for the negative when it happens. 7. Buy and enjoy what moves you. If your happy and feel good about it then your experience will be better. Will it have problems? Maybe, but remember the reasons you purchased it in the first place, your love of the style or handling and remember that no car is perfect. Just check out the dealer as much as possible since they are the ones you have to work with once you own the car. All the cars your considering are excellent cars and have many happy owners. Remember the ones who post here or other places are the ones looking to vent or asking for help. The thousands that don't respond are off driving their wonderful cars and have no complaints.
Sidenote. If you unsure about the dealer service just go to the service area next time your looking at cars and ask some people who are picking their cars up from service if they would recommend them. Anytime after work is a good time to find people picking up cars in for repairs. Good Luck
So far so good with my 2001 V70 T5. At 1300 miles, the issues are very minor and not mechanical related. I'm sorry to learn there are others experiencing problems. I've never owned a luxury car before, but think I would know if it were substandard. My car is quick and handles great. Overall, I feel very safe driving it. The local Ziebart franchisor told me that the car has the best factory paint job he'd ever seen (mine is silver). Only complaint is that break dust is heavy. My dealer, Superior Volvo, In Kansas City, MO, is wonderful and take good care of me.
I just wanted to share my good experience with everyone. I'm happy to share my experiences with others in more detail, especially those thinking of buying.
I have also been looking very hard at both the Volvo V70/V40 and the Passat...Very mixed reviews of the Volvo has been pushing me closer towards the Passat. Plus strictly from a $$$ standpoint - a fully loaded Passat GLX 4Motion is still at 31K where the V70 is more like $36-37 and that does not include the AWD...
Well good luck to those that are in the same boat as I...
I bought two Volvos from these idiots. My last one I got from Rickenbaugh. My opinion is the service department at McDonalds is the cause of your problem. I was always bringing the car back for the same problem two, three and even four times. I finally gave up on them and started taking the cars to Rickenbaugh. Guess what? Problems get fixed the first time. I am getting ready to trade my wife's V70 for an XC. I bought my S80T6 from Rickenbaugh. They GAVE me a set of alloys for the snow tires. Unbelievable. STAY AWAY FROM MCDONALD!!!
I am considering the 01 XC. I certainly have become nervous reading about the numerous problems in the earlier models. I am looking for feedback on the 01 vs earlier models as well as comments on my local dealer, Penkus Volvo in Colorado Springs, CO.
I don't know if reliability is much of an issue. Most problems seem to have been nagging little ones like burnt headlights, door panels, electrical glitches etc. Depends on your definition of reliability. I am sure these things go right across the model lines. You may see more posts on the xc as I am sure it is the biggest seller.
We have a 99 V70 GLT with 30,000 km and the only thing we have had go is the headlights and one front signal. All fixed while we waited without appointment.
I Just sold my 850 Turbo with 122000 miles and not a problem in 5 years and I want a t5 Wagon. The dealer in Fresno has a great Service department but the sales department is out to lunch. Does anybody own the red? color candy apple? how does it look?. In Frenso they only bring in White Silver and Brown and I don't care for those colors. The problems with the wagons are they because of the new model or because they are built off the S80 platform. My friends that have S80's have had a bunch of problems. I hope this t5 works out for me because I can't find a car in the market place that matches 3 seats, Built in booster, with a rocket under the hood. Am I missing that car???.
I have 10 weeks left of my 3yr lease..my tranny was replaced after 10 months...turbo went at the end of my 2nd yr...now with just a little over two months to go, the turbo went again....with all of this ...I still liked the car, for all of its inherent virtues...HOWEVER...I DO NOT LIKE THE VOLVO DEALER EXPERIENCE...WHICH WAS 2ND ONLY TO THE TERRIBLE treatment i received from volvo corporate!!! Folks if you want service and automobile reliability get YE to a Mercedes dealer.. post haste!!
After owning my last Volvo, I will NOT purchase a Volvo again. Similar to many new parents, I purchased the Volvo based on the safety Features and the false image of quality (ha!)
After changing two compressors, three batteries, two alternators, new tires (after 26,000 miles), Brakes, falling mug-guards, broken radio, one starter and other items I tried to forget about. Most of all, the customer service is no longer helpful at all....
I am just happy that I have sold my Volvo, and enjoying my new E320 Wagon. Take our advice as a warning on purchasing Volvo.... Until they change their attitude and the reliability of the product -> many of the previous Volvo owners will NEVER buy a Volvo again!!!!
I own both a '99 S80 T6 and a '01 V70 T5. I really like these cars but would really want something other than a Volvo for once. I've been out and about looking at other cars and guess what catches my heart the most right now - the Volvo S60 T5. I really don't want to do it but it is calling my name! I'm pretty sure I'm going to wait for the 300 hp AWD version next year but either way it looks like I might buy yet another Volvo. (Someone please save me from myself!)
-rdo rdollie@home.com
p.s. - For what it's worth, there is some validity to post #79 in my experience. The dealerships make ALL the difference in ownership experience when it comes to Volvos. If you do your homework and buy from a dealer with a great service reputation you will be happy because they will do whatever it takes IF your car does develop a problem. If you pick a bad one you'll curse the day you ever bought a Volvo.
I am currently a very dissatisfied owner of a '99 Town and Country LTD. I really love the look of the new Volvo wagons. I have a 3 year old and a 5 year old. Any suggestions for which model of the wagon to try? I like the AWD Cross Country look, but have looked at the 24t models too. Also, is this a good move from a minivan..I know that I am loosing space, but I am sick of the minivan and want a reliable car for a change. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Visit the dealer and take all three for a drive. There is a big difference in acceleration between the 2.4 and 2.4t. We thought the non turbo would be fine for our needs, but after driving the 2.4t we thought otherwise. There are a few more standard features/options available on the 2.4t we liked better. The automatic climate control for one. We don't need almost 250 horsepower so we left the T5 to someone else. We were very impressed with the 2.4t. We have only owned Japanese cars and are stuggling now with the issue of reliability. Both cars we tested had a single minor defect in them. Don't know if there would be more under closer inspection. We are going to think it over for a few months and take another look then. Don't want to jump into reliability problems when we don't have to. Good luck!
I recently took my 2000 Volvo Cross Country in for its first service at 7500 miles. I provided the oil because I like to use Mobil 1 synthetic. The bill was $187.00. I then ask about availability of shop manuals. My two previous Volvos came with an order form for these manuals. The cost for a full set of manuals for the 2000 Cross Country which are only available electronically is $1700.00--no I did not misplace the decimal. The section covering the brakes is $400.00. Why would I want to do my own brake job? It is relatively simple process I have done on both my previous Volvos and the dealer has told me it is common for the brake pads to require changing at 15,000 miles. The labor charge per hour at my local dealer is $82.00 per hour. Good luck with your Volvo selections but go into it with your eyes wide open. For comparison my all wheel drive top of the line Chevy Suburban which cost more than my Volvo Cross Country had its 7000 mile first maintenance at a total cost of $57.00 plus oil and this included the same tire rotation as the 2000 Volvo Cross Country service.
Every vehicle has its drawbacks. Costs of ownership varies as much as the initial cost of purchase. If you can't afford or don't want to pay the higher cost of ownership don't buy a vehice that will cost more to own. BMW's and MB's are great cars but routine service costs are outrageous. It really floors me when people buy performance/luxury cars and then gripe and complain about having to put premium fuel into them. It is so easy to research vehicles today why not research cost of ownership!
Let's put things into perspective. You spend 30-40k on a european car, why moan over 100-200 a few times a year to service? These Volvos are no different than any import. My Isuzu service costs are no different than my Volvo (both 99s). My two BMWs I owned were the same. When you go for service, minimum is $100, unless it is an oil change only. You can always go to an independent. BTW, the local Chrysler dealers are the same hourly rate as our Volvo dealer.
Crbgsnc, We too had a Chrysler van (not happy with it), although not the T&C. We traded it on a 99 V70 GLT over a year ago and haven't looked back. We have 3 boys, 7,5,2. You don't lose as much cargo space as you think, but you do lose 'elbow' room up front. However, it is far more fun and comfortable to drive.
I have a V70 GLT. Need some extra room for carpooling. Concerned by a safety compromise of putting kids rear facing in the wagon's jumpseat. Do you think this back seat is safe? Anyone out there know of crash tests using this seat. Also anyone know where I can get the seat cheaper than $1200 from dealer.
I just recently bought a 2001 C. While I'm thrilled with car overall, I found an odd problem when installing an infant (rear-facing) car seat. The problem is that the car seat, when installed in the middle rear position, covers the latch for the seat belt for the right rear position. I have a Grace Snug-ride car seat. It appears this may be a problem for other car seats as well. My sister has a 99 AC and a Century car seat and has the same problem. (Previously when I had installed this same car seat in my Toyota Carry, there was no problem. For a car company that makes safety the priority, Volvo seems to not be so sharp in this area-- such that a fourth adult passenger in the right rear cannot use the seat belt!) Has anyone used another infant seat that works better?
By the way, I called Volvo to ask about installing the car seat in the middle position. Interestingly, the customer service re initially told me that the rear center seat was the safest; however, when she looked at her manual from Volvo, she found, to her surprise, that they claim _any_ position in the rear seat is the safest. She also suggested I called the government safety board. And, get this-- the same thing. The consumer re initially agreed that the middle position was the safest-- and then after telling her my story, she checks with her supervisor, who responds that _any_ position is fine (which seems to me to be counter to common sense).
bert99, new Volvos, like many new premium cars, come ready for ISOFIX car seats. You will have to get the ISOFIX adapter from your dealer's parts department if it didn't come with your car but you should find that if you install an ISOFIX car seat you will get a much better more secure fit than you ever had with just a car seat and seat belt.
Regarding post #90 & #91 We are using Britax Roundabout infant/toddler seats in our 96 850 Sedan and 01 V70 T5. In the last few months we have flipped them forward facing however even as rear facing they fit well in both middle rear positions and side rear positions. In the middle postion (rear facing) out-board passengers could still buckle the seat belt - it was obviously a bit tight to buckle on the one side. As for the iso-fix system, it baffled me and my volvo dealer, I have not been able to find a iso-fix compantible seat, perhaps I did not look hard enough as I have had good experience with Britax. Britax is pricey at $199/seat but they have a good safety track record and can accomodate your child for a good long time.
I'm disappointed that we can't fit our twins' Evenflo On My Way rear-facing car seats in the middle & side positions in the back seat, making room for an adult to squeeze into the other side position. The car seats are wide, and the handles have large protruding hinges on either side, so we'll try a narrower car seat for the middle position and see what happens.
I think the problem is seat belt/buckle placement more than anything, as we had no problems fitting the car seats in the middle & side positions of a Ford Taurus we rented recently, which is only slightly wider than the Volvo, but only had a 2-point belt for the middle position.
Maybe we should've bought that minivan after all...
Thanks to the several folks who responded in the last week to my concern about car seats for the C. In addition to posting here, I also posted on brick board, and a wonderful guy named Mark suggested I try the Century Smart fit Plus. I found the car seat-- and it fits!!! We did need to use some "pool float noodles" to make it secure; however, it is now very tightly in place-- and both right and left outboard passengers have full use of their seat belts. Yea!!
collie mentioned the isofix system and another poster mentioned difficulty in finding an isofix seat. I think the Fisher Price Safe Embrace has the anchor points. Can anyone confirm this?
Also-- what's up with putting the isofix/latch system latches only on the right and left rear seat positions but not in the middle-- the area many consider the safest? Apparently, Volvo decided that having a middle seat that can lift out is more important than being able to have a permanent seat allowing for isofix latches! Volvo tells me they believe that the right or left seat positions are just as safe-- but they cannot cite specific tests to back this up. Anyone have any information on this?
arger, no, no, no don't buy that mini van. Try other seats - that would be cheaper. We have two car seats in our 99 with room for our third boy or small adult on one side. Before we bought the car we had it on loan for the weekend and made sure the seats fit. I suggest this for anyone looking at buying where it is a critical decision factor.
Garry101, you are kidding aren't you? How did you manage to get two completely different vehicles on your short list? Of course I would go with the Volvo. If I was looking at a SUV in the same price range I would go with the MB, Lexus, MDX, Toyota, lots to pick from much better than the Yukon.
I am researching the purchase of a 2001 Volvo V70 Cross Country. I talked to my dealer and he worked up a price of Base MSRP = 36,100 + Destination = 575 + Metallic Paint = 400 + Intro Package = 1425 - discount of 682 = 37,818. I did some research by reading reviews and going to Volvo's website and running pricing there. First, the reviews I read said the base MSRP for the yr 2001 V70 had decreased 1,200 to $34,900 (the year 2000 was quoted as $36,100 which is what my dealer used). The destination charge and intro package lined up with the Volvo website. The dealer told me that metallic paint was a $400 option starting in 2001. To make a long story short, is the $37,818 price I was quoted a good price? I definitely will show him the base price reduction quote. Thanks.
Would appreciate constructive suggestions on the best way to price/sell our 2001 Volvo T5 (turbo) with auto, leather, sunroof and 3300 miles. The car's great but since Christmas our needs have changed. A 96" long tandem bicycle apparently is not going to fit into anything but the back of a longbed pickup.
I'm afraid that a car so new and expensive will equate to a slaughtering if you get rid of it now. You'll take a big depreciation hit. Oddly, and I don't know why, Volvo's seem to have VERY good resale value at about the 3 year mark. If you sell before about 2.5 years you can expect to get hosed (I've sold a few in the past few years and noted this).
As an aside, have you looked into the hydraulic lift rack for the V70 that would allow you to hoist it up to the roof with no effort? (Of course the big issue is whether or not you could get both tires on the roof!) We have the hydraulic bike lift for my wife's '01 V70 T5 and it seems to work great.
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I like the safety of the Volvo, but if I had to part with one them, it would be the Volvo. With our lifestyle the Sport-Trac is perfect. We can haul horse feed, hay, mulch, pets, bikes, etc. As for the 4WD in the Spot Trac, I can answer that in a few months.If you decide to get the 4WD Sport Trac, make sure you get the the Limited/Slip.
As for the X/C, you can get a hitch and I believe it will tow 3500 lbs. I also don't know if you want to put bags of mulch in a $37000+ vehicle. If my wife did not have her expensive hobby (horses) I would buy the Volvo. My Volvo salesman has been trying to get me to come in to drive a X/C, but I have been avoiding him. I am afraid my wife would be ordering a new T-5.
Have I confused you more?
In other words, if you have a Volvo and only one dealer in the proximity, you might as well have no service for the car. I think the dealership is well aware of its relative monopoly-- no other dealers within 30 miles ( or 1 hr drive, since we live in Ann Arbor of UofM fame, a somewhat distant "suburb" of Detroit ).
To summarize, the car is relatively pleasant and comfortable, but highly unreliable, annoying, and has very poor dealer support.It's safety features, while good, are not significantly different from those offered by other cars in its price range (30 - 40K). All it really has is a reputation, and that seems to be quickly eroding.
I have a friend who has had a RX300 for the last year -- he loves his car and has had no problems. I wish I had gotten one, too.
We are considering buying a '01 XC but are concerned about the hassle of bringing the car to the dealership numerous times, even for minor items. For example, we've heard that if the gas cap is not turned three clicks, the "check engine" light comes on and can only be turned off at the dealership. We live in a state where there are no self-service gas stations; so, this might occur.
For those who have bought XCs in the last several years, how often have you needed to bring the car in for non-scheduled maintenance?
How bout for those of you who have Subarus or Passats?
Thanks so much!!!
Bert
Bert, the gas cap issue you mentioned is a feature
not a bug! It is common to all new cars that are
OBDII compliant (I think that means all although
I'm not sure about SUVs). A loose gas cap triggers a fault in the gas vapor removal system and stays on for a specified period (X miles and several driving sessions) if there is no additional fault. If there is no additional fault after the problem is fixed the light does automatically reset itself. Hope this helps.
Thanks.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
p.s. - The light will also be triggered if the car is fueled while the engine is still on or in some cases if you 'top-off' the fuel and put too much in the tank.
tgame80, the RX300 is a nice little truck (a little too much like the moon rover in looks for me personally but for many happy buyers that's OK). Just be sure it has enough usable cargo space for you because I'm pretty sure it's smaller that the V70 from my experience with it. Also, make sure you stick to buying a new one and not a used one. The RX300 had major reliability problems a couple of years ago when it first came out and it actually ended up costing Lexus their J.D. Powers reliability top spot for a year (it went to Infiniti as I recall). From what I've read of late it sounds like Lexus was able to fix the RX300's problems much quicker than say Mercedes and the ML. Similarly, it has taken Volvo a while to fix the rattles with the '98 V70s. I've been in (and bought) the latest (2001) V70 and it seems to be problem free now with the exception of an owners of one of the earliest ones who had his turning signal light sockets replaced like earlier 70 series cars. At this point I think the RX300 and V70 are both quite stable. I would shy away from the MDX (at least for 6 months or so) because it is so new.
Good luck.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
Good luck!
KarenS
Wagons host
The car is not tolerable w/ this rattle. I called dealer....they indicated it would be 2 weeks until I could get a service loaner car. I did get this moved up after 3 phone calls.
My previous car was a Camry. In 5+ years it was NEVER serviced. Not once. I hope this rattle is not a sign of repairs to come. Even if repairs are under warranty - I can not afford to be dropping off my car at Volvo service center in the middle of the day.
I will post findings after service dept determines the cause.
My burning question is: Can anyone help me with seeking assistance under the Lemon Laws. I am in Illinois and I do understand that they are State Specific.
I have experienced numerous problems from the beginning which are too many to list. Since early on, I have experienced sub-par service from the dealership. My troubles began with an airbag light as soon as I drove it off the lot. I have had considerable trouble with the electrical system (cigarette lighter catching on fire twice!!! and replaced three times), various power window problems (twice), the aforementioned frequent headlight burnout, etc. I have had a constant problem with pulling to the left requiring at least four trips to the dealer with suggestions on varying tire pressure, numerous alignments, varying the steering wheel pressure, some sort of laser frame analysis, all with no avail. I often feel like I am fighting with the car. Recently the seatbelt retraction device on the rear seat broke down and I am currently writing for the replacement (interpret: no more carpools).
I am a professional and I found the frequent trips to the dealership so annoying (every month from Jan through June and twice in July) that I am seeking some sort of justice under the lemon laws.
I have been unable to bring the car in and so my wife has taken over the vehicle. She has contacted a lawyer who wrote a letter to Volvo but all we got was the cold shoulder.
Any advice would be appreciated.
PS: Avoid Highland Park Volvo in Illinois
Mud Flap falling off
CD player replaced three times
4 engine oil and fluid leaks
Brakes at 20,000 miles
Tires at 25,000 miles
Window won't roll down
All light bulbs have been replaced numerous times
Dead battery at 17,000 miles
Windshield wipers broken or loose
Windshield washer fluid nozzles falling off
Problems with delayed acceleration
Window tinting falling off
In 24 months, I have made 21 trips to the dealer to fix the above problems. I have made it exactly 2 weeks since my last service visit and this is what is broken now:
Keys are literally in the ignition because they won't come out
Numerous squeaks and rattles
Moaning noise when turning the steering wheel
Left windshield washer won't spray
Left headlight washer sprays the hood instead of the light
I think the transmission is going out since it is beginning to shift strangely under acceleration
Leather is falling of the gearshift
We have e-mailed and spoken directly to customer service of Volvo North America only to receive feedback they will look into it (A/K/A we don't care)
This is the worst car I have ever owned and believe me, this tops the Jeep I bought in 1988.
My advice is as follows before even considering buying a Volvo:
1) Thoroughly understand the Lemon Laws of your state
2) One year lease only, anything greater you are asking for it
3) If you are so inclined to own this vehicle, get the extended warranty (it will only set you back $1,500 clams)
4) Lay down on the couch until the feeling goes away
P.S. Avoid McDonald Volvo, Littleton, Colorado
Now I'm thinking I should give the Audi Avant a try? Anyone have thoughts or experience in comparing the Passat GLX V6, Volvo XC, and the Audi Avant?
Thanks so much.
Elizabeth
1. All cars have inherent problems and they may or may not include the one you buy.
2. Volvos are great cars with a good safety statistics, but may have nagging problems that require dealer work. As usual the dealer can make or break your owner experience.
3. Independent volvo mechanics are indifferent about the various years of the volvos they work on. Most love the 740 and earlier cars but are split on the later ones. Brakes seem to be the major expense early on in ownership.
4. Passats are very good cars in their price range and are also very safe. They too have a list of small nagging problems and dealers are the weak link. I have personally talked to five independent mechanics who all recommended the passat and two who already own them. They had no qualms about purchasing a 4 or 6 cylinder and liked both the tiptronic and stick.
5. The audi is very similar to the passat with a touch of interior and exterior styling difference and a longer initial warranty. A little less interior room than both the passat and volvo. A very nice car but can be expensive after warranty expires, but no different than all cars your considering.
6. Anyones opinion is just that, an opinion on what he or she likes in a car. Seats, driving position, ergonomics, performance and style are all subjective, especially when you consider what was driven before. Hard to compare driving a trouble free 1990 toyota that was noisy to a quiet $40,000 luxury sedan and not feel cheated when something goes wrong. You almost look for the negative when it happens.
7. Buy and enjoy what moves you. If your happy and feel good about it then your experience will be better. Will it have problems? Maybe, but remember the reasons you purchased it in the first place, your love of the style or handling and remember that no car is perfect. Just check out the dealer as much as possible since they are the ones you have to work with once you own the car. All the cars your considering are excellent cars and have many happy owners. Remember the ones who post here or other places are the ones looking to vent or asking for help. The thousands that don't respond are off driving their wonderful cars and have no complaints.
Sidenote. If you unsure about the dealer service just go to the service area next time your looking at cars and ask some people who are picking their cars up from service if they would recommend them.
Anytime after work is a good time to find people picking up cars in for repairs. Good Luck
I just wanted to share my good experience with everyone. I'm happy to share my experiences with others in more detail, especially those thinking of buying.
I think my family will be repeat Volvo buyers.
Well good luck to those that are in the same boat as I...
We have a 99 V70 GLT with 30,000 km and the only thing we have had go is the headlights and one front signal. All fixed while we waited without appointment.
Steve
Similar to many new parents, I purchased the Volvo based on the safety Features and the false image of quality (ha!)
After changing two compressors, three batteries, two alternators, new tires (after 26,000 miles), Brakes, falling mug-guards, broken radio, one starter and other items I tried to forget about. Most of all, the customer service is no longer helpful at all....
I am just happy that I have sold my Volvo, and enjoying my new E320 Wagon. Take our advice as a warning on purchasing Volvo....
Until they change their attitude and the reliability of the product -> many of the previous Volvo owners will NEVER buy a Volvo again!!!!
I own both a '99 S80 T6 and a '01 V70 T5. I really like these cars but would really want something other than a Volvo for once. I've been out and about looking at other cars and guess what catches my heart the most right now - the Volvo S60 T5. I really don't want to do it but it is calling my name! I'm pretty sure I'm going to wait for the 300 hp AWD version next year but either way it looks like I might buy yet another Volvo. (Someone please save me from myself!)
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
p.s. - For what it's worth, there is some validity to post #79 in my experience. The dealerships make ALL the difference in ownership experience when it comes to Volvos. If you do your homework and buy from a dealer with a great service reputation you will be happy because they will do whatever it takes IF your car does develop a problem. If you pick a bad one you'll curse the day you ever bought a Volvo.
Steve
Steve
Volvo Third Seats
KarenS
Wagons host
I just recently bought a 2001 C. While I'm thrilled with car overall, I found an odd problem when installing an infant (rear-facing) car seat. The problem is that the car seat, when installed in the middle rear position, covers the latch for the seat belt for the right rear position. I have a Grace Snug-ride car seat. It appears this may be a problem for other car seats as well. My sister has a 99 AC and a Century car seat and has the same problem. (Previously when I had installed this same car seat in my Toyota Carry, there was no problem. For a car company that makes safety the priority, Volvo seems to not be so sharp in this area-- such that a fourth adult passenger in the right rear cannot use the seat belt!) Has anyone used another infant seat that works better?
By the way, I called Volvo to ask about installing the car seat in the middle position. Interestingly, the customer service re initially told me that the rear center seat was the safest; however, when she looked at her manual from Volvo, she found, to her surprise, that they claim _any_ position in the rear seat is the safest. She also suggested I called the government safety board. And, get this-- the same thing. The consumer re initially agreed that the middle position was the safest-- and then after telling her my story, she checks with her supervisor, who responds that _any_ position is fine (which seems to me to be counter to common sense).
Thoughts?
Thanks!
Bet
bert99, new Volvos, like many new premium cars, come ready for ISOFIX car seats. You will have to get the ISOFIX adapter from your dealer's parts department if it didn't come with your car but you should find that if you install an ISOFIX car seat you will get a much better more secure fit than you ever had with just a car seat and seat belt.
Good luck.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com
We are using Britax Roundabout infant/toddler seats in our 96 850 Sedan and 01 V70 T5. In the last few months we have flipped them forward facing however even as rear facing they fit well in both middle rear positions and side rear positions. In the middle postion (rear facing) out-board passengers could still buckle the seat belt - it was obviously a bit tight to buckle on the one side. As for the iso-fix system, it baffled me and my volvo dealer, I have not been able to find a iso-fix compantible seat, perhaps I did not look hard enough as I have had good experience with Britax. Britax is pricey at $199/seat but they have a good safety track record and can accomodate your child for a good long time.
I'm disappointed that we can't fit our twins' Evenflo On My Way rear-facing car seats in the middle & side positions in the back seat, making room for an adult to squeeze into the other side position. The car seats are wide, and the handles have large protruding hinges on either side, so we'll try a narrower car seat for the middle position and see what happens.
I think the problem is seat belt/buckle placement more than anything, as we had no problems fitting the car seats in the middle & side positions of a Ford Taurus we rented recently, which is only slightly wider than the Volvo, but only had a 2-point belt for the middle position.
Maybe we should've bought that minivan after all...
Thanks to the several folks who responded in the last week to my
concern about car seats for the C. In addition to posting here, I
also posted on brick board, and a wonderful guy named Mark suggested
I try the Century Smart fit Plus. I found the car seat-- and it fits!!! We
did need to use some "pool float noodles" to make it secure; however,
it is now very tightly in place-- and both right and left outboard passengers
have full use of their seat belts. Yea!!
collie mentioned the isofix system and another poster mentioned difficulty
in finding an isofix seat. I think the Fisher Price Safe Embrace has the
anchor points. Can anyone confirm this?
Also-- what's up with putting the isofix/latch system latches only on the
right and left rear seat positions but not in the middle-- the area many
consider the safest? Apparently, Volvo decided that having a middle
seat that can lift out is more important than being able to have a
permanent seat allowing for isofix latches! Volvo tells me they believe
that the right or left seat positions are just as safe-- but they cannot
cite specific tests to back this up. Anyone have any information on
this?
Thanks again,
Bert
Steve
Garry101, you are kidding aren't you? How did you manage to get two completely different vehicles on your short list? Of course I would go with the Volvo. If I was looking at a SUV in the same price range I would go with the MB, Lexus, MDX, Toyota, lots to pick from much better than the Yukon.
Steve
I'm afraid that a car so new and expensive will equate to a slaughtering if you get rid of it now. You'll take a big depreciation hit. Oddly, and I don't know why, Volvo's seem to have VERY good resale value at about the 3 year mark. If you sell before about 2.5 years you can expect to get hosed (I've sold a few in the past few years and noted this).
As an aside, have you looked into the hydraulic lift rack for the V70 that would allow you to hoist it up to the roof with no effort? (Of course the big issue is whether or not you could get both tires on the roof!) We have the hydraulic bike lift for my wife's '01 V70 T5 and it seems to work great.
Good luck.
-rdo
rdollie@home.com