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  • tonyp3tonyp3 Member Posts: 1
    I am trying to establish the value of my 93 E 150 centaurus LX van. This unit has all the bells and whistles.
  • quagcityquagcity Member Posts: 2
    I had a lot of problems with a 97 Dodge 1500 v6.

    Just got a 2000 Express 2500 with a 5.7 and love it so far. No strange noises, except a hard shift between first and second at times.
  • lmac1lmac1 Member Posts: 13
    Depending on your location, you might want to look at Sportsmobile (www.sportsmobile.com). They advertise several raised roofs for extending vans, but you have to take your van to one of their three locations.
  • jboaterjboater Member Posts: 199
    No info for the '93 model.
    The '94 High top models are;
    SS = whsle 2320. retail 2990.
    SLX = whsle 2810. retail 3640.
    Limited + whsle 3860. retail 4960.

    Add these to cargo values found on Edmund's.

    Jerry
  • greenbirdgreenbird Member Posts: 5
    Much thanks for the response for "sportsmobile"
    Got in touch with them and will probably do some business with them. Peace GREENBIRD
  • lukeblukeb Member Posts: 2
    My wife and i are currently looking to purchase a 1990 Ford E150 Delta conversion with 108000 miles, and a 5.8L. The van appears to be in remarkable shape for its age and is priced at $4999. Is this reasonable? We love the features of a full size van for our three children--but are concearned about gas mileage and are also considering a minivan. Any thoughts about the average mpg that the Econoline will get in comparison with minivans (American only) would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.
  • jboaterjboater Member Posts: 199
    NADA has no info for the Delta conversion.
    Edmund's pricing on a 1990 E 150 Club Wagon, allowing for optional equipment and mileage adjustments, indicates a wholesale value of 4,000. and retail value of 5,000. It would appear that the asking price is commensurate with your description of the van.
    On the question of fuel economy, I drive a '97 E 150 low top conversion with the 4.6L V8 and I average about 15 mpg (warm weather) and 14 mpg (winter). The 5.8 likely will be a bit lower than that. Probably 14 and 13 respectivly, but that is just my best guess.
    I would expect most mini's range 17 to 22 mpg.
    The difference between 14 mpg and 18 mpg on 15000 miles per year is about 240 gallons, or 20 gallons per month.

    Jerry

    P.S. My 97 has 50,000 miles on it and it has been a gem.
  • dilemmadilemma Member Posts: 8
    I've really been searching for help in making a decision about a new 8 passenger full size van. I thought I had decided upon the GMC Savanna or Chevy Express depending on options and I thought they looked a little better than the Fords---but after reading the reliability comments (Edmunds topic on Chevy/GMC vans regarding transmissions,etc.) and terrible experiences with GM dealers and the Corporation, I'm really having second thoughts. (Dodge is no longer marketing their vans which I really liked) Can anyone give me some warm feelings about Ford and their vans.

    By the way, I am experiencing the same lack of interest in Passenger vans by all the dealers that all you others are encountering. I haven't taken on the problem of how I can actually purchase what I want even after I've decided the make, configuration, and options. Any help here too would be appreciated. Thanks for any guidance you can provide.

    Jack
  • jboaterjboater Member Posts: 199
    I have warm feelings about the '97 Ford/Coachmen I drive. Note post #394.

    I believe the lack of interest is due to lack of buying demand.

    Jerry
  • chevanchevan Member Posts: 10
    I was always a Chevy man (hence my username) and love the looks of the new Chevy models as well as the old. But after reading all the posts about poor reliability I'd surely stay away. I almost purchased a used 97 gmc savannah. Sharp truck but the interior was literally falling apart. Last march I bought a used 99 Ford Chateau 7-seater and I'm very pleased so far. As far as Dodge goes, Edmunds has prices for the 2001's. This is the last year. Good luck. pl
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    Chevy vans are very attractive looking. I think they look much nicer than the Fords. Heard lots about reliability problems, though.

    No first hand knowledge, but I used to be a paramedic. Almost ambulance I've seen in the last 15 years was a Ford. The mechanics told me that Chevy's just don't last. Even though Chevy's are available and cheaper, the people that know seem to stick with those Fords even though the Chevy's are cheaper, look better, are rated to have more horsepower and get better MPG.

    Ever noticed how many Chevy conversion vans are on the used car lots despite the fact that Ford sells a lot more?
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    sorry about typo's and grammar errors. it's late...
  • mrh3108mrh3108 Member Posts: 41
    I started the Chevy-GMC Van Reliability topic #1001 a year or so ago. I'm very pleased with the reliability of my '99 Chevy van through 36K, but obviously am concerned about future problems. My brother has a '97 Chevy Van with about 58K and he has had a good experience although he is now experiencing a hard shift. The GM service advisors I've talked to believe they are reliable vehicles.

    I'm too lazy to check myself, but if it hasn't been done someone with a Ford van should start a reliability topic for those vehicles. It would be interesting to see what type of common issues, if any, arise.

    It's hard to say any full size van looks good, but I do prefer the appearance over the Fords. The ride/handling is still spectacular given the size, and I have never regretted getting a full size van over a mini van once. My friends with mini vans complain that they are too small.
  • jboaterjboater Member Posts: 199
    I would be curious to know the Ford as well.

    My '97 Ford has 50,000 trouble free miles on it.
    The Coachmen conversion has been trouble free as well. It is still as tight as when new.

    The reliability issues posted on the Chevy - GMC vans is rather disconcerting. I'm now searching the local market for a new van. Given my personal experience with the Ford and the volume of problems posted on the GM vans, I find myself tending to shy away from the GM vans.

    This might be viewed as overreacting but I really don't want to buy into transmission failures, etc.
  • greenbirdgreenbird Member Posts: 5
    Ordered a 2001 Ford E350 Diesel on 9/28 Will keep detailed experiences to share when it is delivered.
  • mofamwagonmofamwagon Member Posts: 3
    Just bought the van on Saturday 10/28 for $400 under invoice (including destination, and $500 rebate to dealer - their offer without the rebate was $100 over invoce). LOVE the van - plenty of room for our 5 kids. More importantly, the wife loves it too. Her only fear is parking, & she'll get better at that with practice.
    Bought the Ford because I heard both the Dodge and the GM were unreliable, plus the Ford looks the best, IMHO.
  • doctorhugodoctorhugo Member Posts: 7
    Can't believe what I'm seeing about Ford vans being generally MOST reliable. My post, dtd 9/15/00, is as a result of being advised of the same alum. gear/tranny problem in late model ('99 and later)full-size Ford vans verified by no less than FOUR SEPARATE OWNER ACCOUNTS!! Anybody have any current info on Ford tranny problem being resolved or not??
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    Only problem I heard of is related to leaving the tranny in overdrive for around-town driving (35mph or less). Ford advises against it.

    I drove Ford ambulances with lotsa brutal miles on them. No AT problems because we religiously turned the OD off in town. Not real happy with fit and finish, especially vis-a-vis Toyota or Honda products, but compared the Chevy's we had, there was no comparison. It seemed like we had to rotate starters, alternators, and rotors on those Chevy's more often than the tires.

    No real experience with Dodge, but Chrysler's reliability record speaks for itself. The van is a little long in the touth, though. One would think they might have the bugs worked out.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    Aluminum gear? Are you talking about the Taurus/Windstar tranny perhaps? Wouldn't touch one of those on a bet. That is not the same tranny as the E series.
  • kent0242kent0242 Member Posts: 1
    I am in the process of selling my Club Wagon and offer some insight. With the 7.3L PowerStroke turbodiesel engine, it currently gets 18-20 mpg in mostly highway driving, typically 70mph or less. City and winter driving yielded no less than 15.5 mpg.

    It has been reliable and since the price of diesel has usually been lower than regular gasoline, a bit more economical to run. With a 35 gallon fuel tank, I can go 500-600 miles before fillup. It has power!

    Since it is an E-350, it rides a bit rougher than most, but it is still better than my Mustang

    If I didn't drive so many miles (solo) on a daily
    basis, I'd keep this vehicle. It has 77,000 miles
    in under 3 years time and never refused to start.
    Altho I ordered the block heater to provide for the Michigan winters, it has never needed to be
    plugged in.

    The engine is a bit noisier than gasoline engines,
    but I don't notice it anymore. The torque coming from this drivetrain is incredible. I ordered the trailer towing package (Class II/III/IV) and it has the 3.55 axle.

    This is one of the best vehicles I have ever owned and I am going to truly miss it. I have done the regular maintenance on it and replaced the tires at around 60,000 miles. No repairs have been required.

    If anyone has further questions, email me at kent0242@aol.com
  • doctorhugodoctorhugo Member Posts: 7
    Not minivans. Talkin full-size E-250s on two separate instances. Contractors who don't overload, jackrabbit or otherwise abuse their vehicles with almost mirror image probs (one a small V-8, the other the larger 6). Slippage, erratic shift performance and finally ka-put. Much infighting with two separate dealerships and ultimately auth. for and replacement ONLY TO SEE THE SAME PROBS REPEAT. One beat the system by 'arranging' to break down and get towed to a tranny shop on a Sunday, when the dealership was closed, and had the replacement tranny rebuilt with STEEL gears and so far has, as far as I last heard, about 5,500 trouble-free miles on it. Have put off my own purchase decision for about 4 months, because of this concern. Appreciate any constructive posts on this and thanks Mr. N.
  • doctorhugodoctorhugo Member Posts: 7
    Re: the ambulance set-ups. I think there is a HD 350 tranny that is more like the commercial 450, if not the same one. I seriously doubt that one for that type service would have anything but steel gearing setup in it.
  • ryaj12ryaj12 Member Posts: 8
    Just a word of caution. I'm faced with this dilemma now. I am considering ordering an regular-length "Super Duty" E-350 wagon with the standard 5.4 engine. But, lo and behold, it ain't so super-duty. The standard tranny on this wagon is the light-duty 44U (4R70W) that is standard on all E-150's. In order to get the heavier-duty 44E (4R100) tranny, I must either upgrade to an extended length 15-passenger E-350, or upgrade to a bigger engine. The brochures don't tell you this.
  • bnicklebnickle Member Posts: 1
    Ok, after reading this list of postings and other sources, I've decided to go with a Ford Econoline van. I am still looking into the differences between the 150,250,and 350 models.

    Here is the big question! Where do I get info on conversion companies. I want a superior conversion that does not compromise the integrity of the vehical. Which company provides the best value? I've looked at several Regency vans and was quite impressed. Any recommendations, concerning conversion companies, and methods to investigate their materials and workmanship.

    Thanks,
    Brad
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    I'm still not convinced. Was looking on the 4wd converters site (Quigley, www.quigley4x4.com) and didn't see any mention of two different trannies. The did mention the different rearends in the 250's and 350's. You'd think a difference like a transmission would be a big deal to a company attempting to make a 4wd conversion.
  • ryaj12ryaj12 Member Posts: 8
    Go to a dealer and ask them to show you their order guide. In addition, the ordering computer program will kick out which tranny comes with your order. However, on your side, if I had another $8,000 laying around and were to go to a 4x4 conversion, I'd probably opt for a V10 or diesel - both would have the heavy duty transmission in a 250 or 350.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    I checked the ordering guide and the transmission, 449, are required with the diesel engine (99F). 449 are not available with any other engine, including the v10 (99m), extended 350 or otherwise. 44e is another option on some models, with no restriction on engine except that it cannot be ordered with the diesel. 44e and 449 are no cost options, seems strange if it was truly a beefier transmission.

    None of this says nothing about any alleged weak transmissions or aluminum gears. Still waiting (with an open mind) for proof on these points.

    Captain Nemo
  • lmac1lmac1 Member Posts: 13
    We seriously considering a E350, extended body. The transmission problems are confusing. The folks at BlueOvalNews (http://www.blueovalnews.com/trans_truckfails.htm) in a September 2000 posting indicated that the new design of the 4R100 transmission is seriously flawed, at least for the gas engines. (There is another posting someplace on BlueOvalNews that the transmission GM uses with the Duramax diesel seems very good). My old VW bus is starting to look better!
  • doctorhugodoctorhugo Member Posts: 7
    Howdy mrnimmo. Looks like we got something cookin' here and that's good. Have made a contact with what should be a reliable source to resolve this full-size van tranny ? If and when I get a definitive response I'll post it here and give the source. Should be within a week. I shall return.
  • edbianchi1edbianchi1 Member Posts: 8
    URGENT!!I found a 95 GMC Compact Bus 250 Van. It
    has 61000 miles and it has a lot of luxury inside.
    Leader seats, 2 tv/vcr, vc, etc. I'm really crazy about this that I can't sleep. This will be my personal car to go to my job every day (14 miles)
    My wife said that I'm crazy. We don't have kids yet we are young (40/27) and we don't travel alot. It has a 5.7L V8 TBI/TPI/FI (what is all that?)engine,normal aspiration, 12miles/Galon. I drove it and it feels great, heavier that the Savana 97 I drove few days ago. It's hard to break. It's a real truck!This is my point guys: What are the pros and cons with this heavy conversion? What I should check the most before I buy it? Am I going to make a lot of damage driving in town 90% of the time? what aplease, I need this info as soon as posible!!! thank you so much guys.
    Ed. edgardo_bianchi@yahoo.com
  • doctorhugodoctorhugo Member Posts: 7
    Finally have the straight info on the full-size Ford van tranny probs. and will give you ALL the facts, in condensed version.
    Much thanks here to Joe Young, of and his own site for his quick and complete responses to each and every question I put to him, so here goes.
    Basically, we're talking about two trannies here. One is the 4R70W, which is standard with the 4.2L and 4.6L engines and SOMETIMES.., even found mated to the 5.4L V-8. This is the lighter-duty box and not designed for heavier duty loads or towing applications to be sure. The second is the 4R100, which is the heavier duty box and is the current version of the old C-6 3spd. auto., which was a staple for years. It was the strongest box Ford had since the old cast-iron FMX, which was discontinued in '79. When the Feds got into the act and initiated the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) ratings the handwriting was on the wall and much design went to aluminum for strength-to-weight ratio considerations and quietness. There are NO aluminum gears...only gearset cages of aluminum, which is not a problem. The problem with the 2001 4R100s, produced under the realm of Jac"The Knife" Nasser, was that to save $4. per vehicle, they opted to change the low one-way clutch from a roller-type to a dogbone-type, which CANNOT handle the stress/strain of heavy-duty applications. Most of the 80,000 produced, AGAINST THE ADVICE of Ford engineers, couldn't even be driven out of the plant. These involved 'F' and 'E' series vehicles and all were corrected at a cost of $2,000. PER UNIT !! Any Ford stockholders should address their congrats to the aforementioned Mr. Nasser. What a loser !
    Bottom line is that for any type of heavy-duty application the REDESIGNED 4R100 is a fine box; however, it is the standard tranny available ONLY with the 6.8L 10cyl. and the 7.3 D.I.T. Diesel. For other engine options it may or may not be available, as an 'option', but if your buying from dealer on-site inventories you likely will be getting the 4R70W, which will, most likely, be okay ONLY IF you don't tow, carry any substantial payload and don't lean on it through the low end of the gearbox ...especially. A WORD TO THE WISE.........Once again, many thanks to Joe Young.
  • doctorhugodoctorhugo Member Posts: 7
    Joe Young has his own site located at
    http://flatratetech.com
    for any additional information.
  • quinntquinnt Member Posts: 1
    Everybody seems happy using a 6.8L V 10 in a Ford Extended 350 van except for the gas usage. What about using the 5.4L engine ?? What do you really lose besides quick starts ?? And would it work as well if the van was a 4x4 ???
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    There's a very active 4x4 van list on egroups. I think you have to subscribe.

    http://www.egroups.com/group/4x4van
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    Seemed to drop off the front page of Edmunds townhall.

    I'll bet everyone has forgotten we are here.
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  • janicegjaniceg Member Posts: 1
    I am currently looking at buying a used full sized van to use exclusively for transporting
    my dogs and gear to dog shows. With 8 dogs it must be large, at least the 12 passenger. I would remove all the rear seats. At the moment I have 3 vehicles to choose among, similar
    miles ( apprx 70 ,000 ). Two are Econline Club Vans, a 96 with a 7.3 liter engine, extended and a 98 with a 5.4l Triton. The other is a 95 GMC conversion van with a 350 engine. After test driving I prefer the Fords. The best price is the 96 but I wonder about the huge engine - what gas mileage can I expect? The vehicle would only be used for highway driving....
    Any comments?
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    7.3 engine??? Turbo-diesel? The gas 460 was called 7.5 liter, I believe.

    Your probably going to average 12-15 mpg on any of these engines. A diesel might get up to 20mpg, but they had problems with pitting of the cylinders, caused by failing to replace and use proper coolant, that leads to engine failure. This could be very expensive to repair. (Of course, a well maintained diesel could be a reliable and economical.) See

    http://www.ford-diesels.com

    If you really need lotsa cargo space, an extended van full-size van would be the only way to go.
  • jfc092jfc092 Member Posts: 3
    Just ordered a new E-150 Econoline van. For 2001, Ford has added what they call a Travelers package, which is a $4,100.00 option to the E-150 line. I pretty much ordered it sight unseen since the dealer told me that I'll be owning the first one in the area.

    The package comes with 2 flip down TV screens from the ceiling, VCR, 4.6 V-8, tow package, 4 leather captains chairs with a leather bench in the back, privacy glass and other goodies. The package only includes one color, Charcoal metallic green with gray bottom. I'm told it may take 2 to 3 months for delivery.

    Question ??? Has anybody seen this van on the road or dealers lot since Ford announced its coming?
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    There's one on the lot locally. Nice setup. Leather. TV screens. Has running boards and flares. I don't remember if the walls were an upgrade from the Chateau style (basically plastic). Like you said, dark green with silver lower accent and gray interior.

    Didn't drive it, but I don't know why it is would drive differently than any other Chateau.

    Where do you live?
  • jfc092jfc092 Member Posts: 3
    Thanks Mrnimmo for the response. I live in Philly Pa. I went to 3 dealers in the area and not one of them has actually seen the van yet. I was told that Ford had a hold on the van but the dealers did not know why Ford was holding production. When I ordered it in early January, the hold had just been lifted.

    I actually went looking to buy another mini van since my 89 Ply. Grand Voyager now has 108000 miles on it and has cost me over $2,000.00 in repairs in the last 6 months. (transmission, fuel pump, axle, etc. etc.)

    When I saw the prices of the new mini vans from Chry, Ford, Honda and Dodge I went the other way and looked at the full size and liked what I saw. The full sized vans cost the same as the mini van and in alot of cases they are actually cheaper. I kinda of feel that I'm getting more bang for the buck with the Traveler E-150. I also like the idea of having a tow capacity of 6100 lbs compared to 3500 lbs. with a mini van.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    Well, I've seen one here in the sticks. Not sure why you don't have them in Philly yet. Maybe they are having difficulty making them quick enough.

    In fact, this one Traveller is the only new Econoline wagon (seats in the back) that I've seen for a while.

    If you want me to look at anything, let me know. A friend just got a digital camera that I could borrow if necessary.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Member Posts: 271
    >When I saw the prices of the new mini vans from ? I went the other way and looked at the full size and liked what I saw. The full sized vans cost the same as the mini van and in alot of cases they are actually cheaper. I kinda of feel that I'm getting more bang for the buck

    I think the standard Chateau is a real steal. I had one quoted to me for $24k last summer. About the same as a stripped minivan w/ bench seats, got about the same gas mileage, and had lots more space.

    Just been hashing this stuff out in the "4 kids need a van" topic. Most of the poeple won't consider a fullsize out of the mistaken belief that a mini is safer or smaller. The govt crash tests don't support that belief, and the fullsizes are TALLER, but not significantly longer or wider than a minivan. But persist the naysayers do.

    Also lots of posts on this in the fullsize vs. minivan thread.
  • joecugjoecug Member Posts: 15
    A lot of posts on this topic are people
    who are looking for a used van. Prospective buyers should remember that
    from about 1986 to 1992 many vans were
    subject to the notorius "peeling paint
    problem". Paint on these vehicles peeled
    off and the problem is basically unrepairable because there is no primer
    and any repaint job will continue to
    peel off from below. On vans this problem
    was partcularly bad because of the large
    flat roofs were really affected. Cosmetically it looks horrible. I sold
    an otherwise good (except for worn clutch) 1988 Dodge B150 because of this
    problem. As far as I can tell most
    "after factory" conversions had better
    paint jobs and weren't subject to this
    problem. Vans that do have this problem
    will probably be visible to a buyer by noe.
  • g8trg8tr Member Posts: 77
    I'm new to this board and not familiar with the Ford V-10 engine/trans. I have a F-150 that I like very much but the big stuff is out of my realm of knowledge. My father-in-law is thinking of purchasing a motor home (25 ft) and it is on the E-450 chasis and is equipped with the V-10 engine. I'm sure that this is enough engine to get the job done. He will pull a Honda Civic hatch back occasionally. Are there any concerns regarding the reliability of the engine or transmission? I've read doctorhugo's post and that is helpful. Does anyone know of any other web sites where I might be able to find out some similar info.? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
  • jfc092jfc092 Member Posts: 3
    Mrnimmo; Just thought I'd touch base with you about the Traveler. I went to the Philly international auto show this past Sunday. The Ford section had the Traveler on display and I was on that thing like ham on cheese. Liked what I saw and glad I ordered it. Especially since I ordered it sight unseen. The only thing that I wasn't impressed with was the limited side to side foot space for the two front seat passengers. Hopefully I can get used to that.

    I walked over to the Chevy display and looked at the Express van. All in all, I prefer the Ford. I'm expecting delivery within the next 8 weeks.
  • xfilesxfiles Member Posts: 132
    I consider leg room in any van more important then anything else. If I can't be comfortable, then I just don't want it on long trips. I am surprised no one has ever discussed the incredible leg room available in the GMC 1996-2001 vans (equivalent by Chevy). The dog house has been moved 10 inches forward allowing easy clearance for your legs to swing around to get to the back. I wear size 13 shoes and can slide it through sideways on the Savana 2500 extended passenger van I ordered 6 weeks ago. Try that with the Dodge (big joke for clearance) or the Ford. I personally do not care for climbing over my seat to get from front to back or vica versa, especially from the drivers side with a steering wheel in the way. Not only has this engine moved forward design given more leg room (tons for passenger too), but look at the doors which are much more roomier then Dodge as you enter. Bottom line is no one offers leg room and front comfort like GMC/CHevy (especially passenger side. I don't care about reliability as an issue in my book, because there is ONLY ONE CHOICE if you want comfort. All vehicles need repair, some a little more then others, some less....but who cares if I can't rest my legs comfortably without bending them to one side. Before you buy, really look at the legroom (especially pasenger side), then decide from there.....there was only one choice for me! One other thing, with the dog house moved forward it is much more like driving a car for space, I don't feel closed in tightly by the dog house. I even question the safety in side collisions, your legs are likely going to be crushed against the side of that dog house. GMC/CHEVY got rid of the DOG HOUSE issue, it seems "no one" has noticed this breakthrough design in the full size van market!!! I bought the Savana strictly for the legroom feature alone, and was digusted by leg room in the the other 2 competitors.

    As for tranny problems with GMC/Chevy lets make one thing clear. The problems have always been with the lighter duty tranny in the GMC 1500 series, and by going to a 2500/3500 passenger van you automatically get a "HEAVY DUTY " tranny (4L80E)that comes with vehicles with a GVWR of 8600lbs or above. This tranny was improved for 2001 with a "new" torque converter to offer smoother shifting. Worth noting is that this tranny is the same one used in the GMC/Chevy commercial cutaway box vans with GVWR of 12,000lbs (with wheelbase of 177 inches) and duallys. I think this speaks for itself, and is more then enough durability for most people carrying much less weight everyday. I got a heavy duty tranny in a 2500 series without going to a 3500/350 series (that Ford requires).

    Guess to each his own, make up your own mind, but don't complain later about leg room when your on your nest 400 miles holiday trip. I guess if your a commercial owner it doesn't matter when someone else does the driving, reliability and price are the key. But if your buying for personal use, I can't see having soo much space in the back (12 foot) and still be cramped up front for space.

    Good luck whichever vehicle you buy.

    If your wanting a 2500 series passenger vehicle, GMC/CHEVY automaticaly offer you a heavy duty tranny, heavy duty axles (8 bolt).....you have to go all the way to a 350 Ford to get that.

    Notice I hardly mentioned Dodge. Give me a break with that vehicle. How stupid do they think people are, I just the other day looked at the Roadtrack camper vans using this frame....tiny front doors, tiny side windows (driver/passenger), no legroom, I don't care if they are reliable or not.....I can't see anyone spending $60K for something like this, yet the only reason seems to be that people just do not notice the lack of front space when they buy. Too many of us think of reliability and perhaps looks in there purchase decision. I consider ride, front space (especially leg room), quiet ride, low air noise, good handling more important. The GMC/Chevy offers all these benefits.
  • xfilesxfiles Member Posts: 132
    Please note that the "heavy duty"(4L80E) transmission on GMC/chevy cargo vans is standard only on the 3500 series (cargo van). The 2500 and 1500 cargo models come with the light duty tranny. If you wish, you can order the heavy duty tranny/axle combo as an option for the 2500 series (not available on 1500, and standard on 3500).

    The GMC/Chevy "PASSENGER" vans are a different story.The heavy duty tranny and heavy duty axle (8 bolt) are standard equipment on 2500 and 3500 passenger models models.

    Therefore in reliability discussions regarding trannys, remember that not all GMC/CHevy 2500 series models have the same trannys. Make sure you go for the heavy option....with that comes heavy duty tranny/axles/drums and heavier duty brake booster. Check out the Chevy COMMERCIAL VAN literature.....it is much more comprehensive compared to the regular litarature you receive.
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