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  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Funny thing is, I've never needed more than my basic AWD system, even with two open diffys.

    Nice thing about the Forester is it has soft springs and a lot of suspension travel, and the suspension articulates nicely to maintain traction. With no tires ever off the ground, I don't get power leaking out.

    In snow, I guess it starts by distributing power 50/50 to each axle, and further 25% to each wheel. So it doesn't seem to break traction very often, and when it does it's only temporary. Never once did I feel like I was going to get stuck.

    -juice
  • jcabrera4jcabrera4 Member Posts: 34
    My 2000 outback has 26k miles. When I go up a hill, I hear the valves starting to rattle. I'm not towing anything and if I press on the pedal hard, I still hear the noise. The rattling comes and goes. I even tried changing the type of gas and oil. Short of taking it to the dealer, any ideas as to what could be causing this noise

    thanks
    jc
  • osellesoselles Member Posts: 6
    Ok, I test drove a mini-van and then the Outback--and you can understand why I chose the latter. Admittedly it is a bit hard to squeeze the three little kids in the back seat of the OB,one in a booster seat and one in a car seat and the eldest sits in the middle. Her seat belt there seems very odd as the the clip is behind her back and she can't manage to join the lap belt section to it on her own. I have looked in the owners manual and it shows a medium-sized guy in that spot, nice and comfy, which seems a true stretch.. Is this center belt/clip a design flaw that I have to live with or do I have something wrong? I have volunteered to move the baby seat in the middle but my daughter wants to be able to monitor radio stations, gear shifting, A/C etc.--can't blame her.

    When I test drove the car I asked if Subaru had a third, rear-facing seat--the salesman didn't know what I was talking about--and obviously did not grow up with Caprice Classic wagons (or look at Volvos/Audis that have that feature). As the back is quite high off the ground, I imagine that is why Subaru doesn't offer such a seat--or should I have just bought a mini-van ):

    O. .
  • breckcobreckco Member Posts: 62
    The rattling you hear doesn't sound like it's valves. It sounds like detonation (pinging). The most likely cause is your car is in too high a gear for climbing the hill. You didn't state whether you have a stick or an automatic transmission but next time try going down one gear. If your in too high a gear your engine labors thus causing the pinging. You may also try a different brand of gas. Your OB shouldn't require higher octane than 87.

    Live Happy,

    Chris
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    You may want to wash and wax those wheels while they're off. It easy and it really pays off - less brake dust, easier to clean, looks good, finish lasts longer.

    I would use 29/29 on the snows. You don't necessarily want high pressure on a snow tire.

    -juice
  • mitchnetmitchnet Member Posts: 3
    Otto,

    Take a look at my message #1392 where I went into some detail on different carriers for the OB.

    I did speak directly w/ Thule and they do NOT certify their box w/ the standard OB racks while Yakima does. The price you where quoted for the Sub Carrier is a good price as all my dealers wanted the full $495 list. The Sub cargo box is made by Swagman in BC and you can check their website for more info on that box.

    I have used my Yakima SpaceCadet several times now and am very happy. At 75mph there is very little noise and my gas mileage is only marginally lower.
  • jdlanganjdlangan Member Posts: 48
    I have 3 kids in the back seat of my OB quite often, granted, we're past the car seat age. Usually the "guest" ends up in the middle and is in the 8 - 11 year old range. We've never had anyone have a tough time yet. We do however leave "buckle #1" buckled all the time. That's the one that clips in near the passenger's right hip and the one you're supposed to buckle first. With that one in all the time all the kids have to do is pull the strap across and buckle it like any other shoulder belt.

    After being rear ended on the interstate here recently I can say that even if a third row seat was offered, or if I had a mini van with one, I would NEVER put a child back there, just way too close to the tailgate.
  • hibricchibricc Member Posts: 2
    Had a blowout with one of my Wilderness tires on my 2000OB. Now my dealer is telling me I have to replace it with another Wilderness. Of course, my local Sears (which doesn't have the tire I need) says that's nonsense. Who's right?
    Suggestions on what to replace it with? Only got $15k miles on 'em.
    Thanks!
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Brian,
    If you're intending to replace only the blown tire, then the Dealer's answer is yes. You won't want to ride around with 3 Wilderness and 1 something else (same thread pattern preferred too). Whereas, if you're changing all 4, then your local Sears is right.
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    Due to different traction characterisitics in dry and wet weather, at the very least, the two front and/or rear tires should be the same with similar wear. For AWD vehicles the tire size becomes an issue. The circumference should be within 1/4" of each other to prevent driveline damage. This is stated in the manual. My $0.02 - all my tires are the same. I would replace that tire with a Wilderness, unless I have excessive wear on the remaining three. Then I would replace all four with what others have recommended here (Michelin / Yokohama?)

    Greg
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    You beat me to it! Just read your profile. I was in Singapore about 2 years ago for a business trip that last 5 weeks. Beautiful country. Cars are a little on the expensive side though, ;) but I can understand why.

    Greg
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Ya, it's a beautiful country (to visit) but you don't want to live there. Don't know how much (drastically) it has changed - last time I was back there was 1985.
    Actually, cars being a l'il expense is an understatement. I posted a site earlier which listed the WRX for (don't quote me on it, I a l'il senile) ~S$75,000.00 (abt US$50,000). I might be able to afford it if I'm still there, but I probably have to push it all the way home (no money for gas).
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    you can't cross the bridge to cheaper gas in Malaysia, since the law requires 3/4 of a tank to do so. I guess a WRX in Singapore would be my apartment too. ;-)

    Greg
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    LOL :D
    A BMW Series 5 or 7 would be a House with a large yard and a pool...:-)
  • erics6erics6 Member Posts: 684
    Sounds like pinging to me as well. My 2000 Outback makes a pinging noise under light to moderate load, going up hills and accelerating. A number of other folks posting to Edmunds have complained about the same problem. SOA is working on a fix. Make sure your dealer is aware of the problem.
  • andytandyt Member Posts: 10
    Anyone have any experience with these tires on a 2000 Outback Wagon? It looks like they are a best seller on tirerack.com, but all the comments on that site are mostly from drivers of sport coupes. According to the test and survey results, they look like they might be a very good replacement tire for the stock Firestones on the OB.

    Thanks in advance.

    -andy.
  • ffsteveffsteve Member Posts: 243
    Off-topic agreed, but did that posted price include registration? I have been fortunate enough to travel to Singapore often in the last couple of years and have heard that when buying any car in Singapore, there is a 100% registration/tax due on the purchase just to get the car on the road.

    Steve
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    Steve,
    The (so-call) quote I gave for the WRX I believe includes the registration and (sales)tax. I do not believe the price includes the cost for the permit to purchase a car. I'm understanding that the permit is obtained via biddings which I think will start anywhere from S$10,000 - S$20,000 and offered to the highest bidder, so that could go pretty high. Add that to the price, and if you're not already broke yet, you've got to contend with the cost for Road Tax (I think they still charge by the cc), Parking, Tolls, Gas, Insurance...

    I'm glad that I'm here (USA) - I think my Outback in Singapore would be RWD, has two wheels and powered by two cylinders... :)
  • jkucerajkucera Member Posts: 1
    I have a 98 Legacy Wagon AWD with 43k miles that has a strange rattling noise coming from what sounds like the rear passenger side door(or right behind it). It only happens when I am going a constant speed, ie, with cruise control on. If I am accelerating or decelerating, then it goes away.

    I could swear it is coming from inside the door, but the door doesn't rattle at all when I open and close it. I thought it might be the gas door, but if I leave that open, I still hear the rattling noise. I checked everything underneath the car, I couldn't find anything loose. I jacked up all four corners of the car, all the wheels spin quietly and the suspension feels tight. I oiled all the moving parts I could find on the rear gate. Dragging the brakes doesn't make the sound go away either.

    The fact that it goes away when I hit the gas or let off the gas scares me. This seems to indicate to me that it is somehow related to the drivetrain. But then, it doesn't sound like a bad bearing or anything, it is a rattling sound, and it is affected by bumps. If I drive on a very smooth road, there is no rattling. But even on a very bumpy road, the sound goes away when I accelerate.

    I thought it was maybe the strut, but there's no clunking noise when I go over large bumps. Is it maybe something in the AWD? CV joint or u-joint?

    If anyone has any ideas, I'd greatly appreciate it.

    Thanks

    Joel
  • nygregnygreg Member Posts: 1,936
    Could it be your catalytic converter? When they start to fail there could be a rattling sound inside them from the pellets. Increasing or decreasing engine speed would change the exhaust flow and make the noise increase or decrease. Just a thought.

    Greg
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Joel: if you still think it might be the doors, check your speakers to make sure they are snug. It's easy, so it may be worth a shot.

    Valve tapping: I had a rather severe case of valve noise on our 626, and it turned out thinner oil quieted things down nicely. Check the oil level and make sure the oil is clean, and try 10w30 or even 5w20.

    -juice
  • oldalaskanoldalaskan Member Posts: 1
    Help! My 98 Legacy GT wagon's rear struts ate the original tires(just the inside edges) at 33,000 miles. It was so bad the wire mesh of the steel belt could be seen. Our very good local Subaru dealer could find no structural problems. My new tires are rubbing. The tires are 205/55 16's on the GT's stock wheels. Is there a solution?
  • ffsteveffsteve Member Posts: 243
    oldalaskan,
    Why do you say the struts are to blame? Were they replaced, and now the new tires are also showing the wear on the inside edges?

    Was the rear alignment checked? I'm not savvy on the Outback rear suspension, but if the rear wheels are pointed outwards (toe-ed out?), then they will try to steer away from the center of the car, pulling down the rear suspension, which might cause the camber to go positive. I experienced this on another vehicle, with the steel belts showing just as you describe.

    Steve
  • pattim3pattim3 Member Posts: 533
    Did the dealer check the alignment? If it was in spec, what did the tire manufacturer say? What kind of tires do you have? You may want to call us at 1-800-SUBARU3 and one of our Reps. can contact your dealer for more information.

    Thanks.

    Patti
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like the alignment is off. It's a bit tricky to get it right, so have a dealer take a closer look.

    33k for tires isn't bad, really. My Desert Duelers only lasted 28k miles. They wore a bit more towards the outside (aggressive cornering?), but I got new rims so now the suspension geometry is entirely different.

    -juice
  • pondererponderer Member Posts: 1
    Hello. I am new to this discussion. I've never owned a Subaru, but likely will some day soon. I currently drive a full-size pickup, which I do use for actual work on our rural property, but I also use it to commute and I am tired of the "trucky" ride and poor gas mileage. The truck is not worth much, but it gets the job done. Occasionally wish it had 4wd. To the point...

    How does the Outback do in "real world" towing situations? I know what it is rated for, but I would like some anecdotes. I would love to be able to use this vehicle as a commuter and a light-duty work vehicle. Has anyone hitched a flat-bed trailer to an outback to haul building supplies, plant material, a small tractor, etc.? How did it work out? Oh yes, if I do go with the Outback, it will be a 4cyl. --- 6 is too pricey for me. Thanks.
  • blpacerblpacer Member Posts: 1
    Whats the towing capacity
  • ryoonryoon Member Posts: 11
    Really have enjoyed following all the comments here.

    I was wondering if anyone knows if subaru has any plans to allow the rear seat backs to recline. I often take friends or family on long trips and this feature would really make a big difference in comfort. I believe the Lexus RX300 has this feature, don't know of others except for minivans.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    The capacity for the Outback (and Forester) are 1000 pounds, 2000 pounds with trailer brakes.

    I borrowed Bob's 700 lb trailer and took 2 trips with 3 yards of wood chips each. I'd estimate it was about 1500 lbs or so (dry wood chips are lighter than mulch):

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    It's a 5'x8' utility trailer with no brakes, so I was pushing it a little, and my Forester did fine (2.5l phase I, 5 speed manual). Outbacks are heavier, but that would make them more stable, and the Phase II engine has more low end torque. That plus if you have an automatic it's better suited for towing. Braking was fine despite my rear drums. A Forester S or Outback has rear discs that offer better cooling, plus they have bigger rear view mirrors, which I missed.

    So from my experience, light-to-medium duty towing is fine, just don't count on towing a 19' boat.

    -juice
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Juice, in that photo, it looks like your carport pillars are about to collapse.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    They're fine, actually. The photo is a little grainy, and I smudged the address.

    The one in the middle is purely cosmetic - it's not weight bearing.

    -juice
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    That would probably qualify for the Guiness World Record of largest mobile litter box.

    bit
  • armac13armac13 Member Posts: 1,129
    claims that it is a dog!

    Ross
  • rshollandrsholland Member Posts: 19,788
    Hmmm, not a bad idea.

    Since that is my trailer, and we do have two cats... All I'd have to do is to go to the dump (pun intended) once a year. Sure beats changing the kitty litter weekly. Not sure how the neighbors would feel, however.

    Bob
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    DOH! I've started it again.

    Hadji is a Pomeranian/Dachsund/something else mix, but certaily a dog. He barks, I swear it! :-)

    Bob - 3 yards of sand are just $60. Bet you spend a bunch more on kitty litter!

    -juice
  • skyelaskyela Member Posts: 2
    I recently purchased a 2001 Outback VDC and it has a stange high pitch squeak when I am in reverse backing out of my driveway in the morning.
    The dealership said they were aware of the noise and it is not a problem or harming the brakes or the car. Has anyone else experienced the same noises? Or does anybody have any info.

    Thanks
  • ateixeiraateixeira Member Posts: 72,587
    Yes, Skye, I've heard of about 3 or 4 people that have the same thing, and it is OK as long as the noise goes away after you drive for a while.

    The new pads Subaru is using have a higher metallic content so they last longer, but they also develop rust on the surface when parked for long periods (including overnight).

    The first time you apply the brakes it basically cleans off this very thin layer of rust, and after that the brakes should operate just fine (and stop squeeking).

    My dad's 2001 Outback is the same way, but once they're clean rest assured the braking system is very effective (4 wheel discs, vented in front and bigger for 2001, 4 sensor, 4 channel ABS).

    -juice
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  • oclvframeoclvframe Member Posts: 121
    Growing up, my dad was Mercedes-Benz geek....all he'd ever own were MBs. He first had a 67 240, then a 74 280s and finally a 79 230. In ever case, the brakes would squeel in reverse and sometimes when lightly braking while moving forward. Bottom line is, disk brake pads are not bolted down to the caliper or secured to the puck in any way, so, the squeel you hear is due to the pad vibrating in place at a very high frequency...usually while in reverse. This is not a malfunction or a problem. It is merely a reality with most disk brake systems. There is grease (a thick molybdenum disulfide (sp?)) that comes with some brake pad kits that is applied to the anti-chatter shims between them and the pad and then between them and the puck (NOT between the pad and the rotor!). This would eliminate any squeel but, who cares...if it only happens when in reverse or when the car is first driven after sitting a little while..it is not a problem.

    Now, all these brake noises should not be confused with the wear indicator which makes an anoying scratching sound (like when someone runs thier finger nails down a chalkboard). Those indicators will contact the rotor and make that noise only when the pads are worn. If the car is brand new, that should not be the case.

    Hope this helps.
  • grahampetersgrahampeters Member Posts: 1,786
    G'day
    The other possibility on the brake noise is the characteristic clunk or squeal when you go backwards. This is just the pads shifting in the calipers. They are secured with a loosish spring but can move about quarter of an inch meaning that you do hear a noise whn you apply the brakes going backward. You also hear similar noise when you next apply the brakes whn moving forward but you are usually moving faster and pressing harder this time. Try a three point turn first thing in the morning to see what I mean

    Cheers

    Graham
  • andytandyt Member Posts: 10
    In my quest for new tires, a few folks on the list referred me to tirerack.com. Just thought I would pass on the experience:

    They never responded to my e-mail requesting information. Apparently, you have to call them to get a response.

    The guy I spoke with (Mitch) seemed knowledgable enough (but, of course, my knowledge of tires is simply how to spell 'tire'). He pointed me away from the tires that the web site was seemingly recommending (the Yokohamas I asked about earlier). I ended up ordering some Continentals in the Grand Touring class of tire. He even steered me away from some other tires that the web site listed in that class as they were "really more of a sport performance tire". He did not push me to buy a more expensive tire.

    Also, if you are having the tires drop shipped to a shop near you, call the shop first and make sure they still accept tires from tirerack. The first shop that was mentioned to me no longer accepts tires from them (it turns out they only service 911's and do not want anything to do with other cars). However, they are still listed on the web site as accepting tires from tirerack.

    Bottom line: Use the web site to get a general idea and to learn about tires. Then, call tirerack and speak with one of their reps. I would do it again.
  • kmcleankmclean Member Posts: 173
    It could be worse -

    Anyone recall the 1960/1970 vintage Volvos and the awful squeal their brakes made - you could hear them stopping from a block away?

    And take a look at the front wheels of any 1980/1990 Mercedes or BMW with the ornate wheels - talk about brake dust crud!

    I had a 1968 Fiat 124 (4-wheel discs, amazingly) that had a rear drum-type assembly as the parking brake. That sucker would invariably freeze in place during the winter - and I'd have to go get a couple buckets of hot water to throw on them to break them loose - then drive the car immediately to dry them out before they re-froze.

    And when I lived in Norway in the early 1970s, the parking brake on my 1971 Audi 100LS would invariably freeze/rust hard when I'd leave the thing at the airport for a several-day trip out of town. Then a couple buddies and I would get to rock the thing back and forth until it broke free when I returned.

    BTW - never have heard even a peep from my 2000 OB wagon's brakes. It lives outside in Seattle, but is driven regularly, so perhaps corrosion doesn't get much of a chance to form.

    Cheers from the PNW, and a happy 4th to all (especially the US folks)!

    Ken M.

    Hey, Juice - mid 70s and no humidity out here. I have to find an excuse to run the AC.
  • cptpltcptplt Member Posts: 1,075
    Passats used to have that , don't know about the more recent models
  • goosegoggoosegog Member Posts: 206
    andyt: "(but, of course, my knowledge of tires is simply how to spell 'tire')". Everyone who lives on what used to be the red bits of the atlas knows it is "tyre" ;-)

    cptplt: I've heard of redlining the engine but the rear seat? And what the !@#$%&* is a ryoon? (Looks like the dreaded Edmunds spell check struck again).

    One of these days I'll make a worthwhile contribution to this list rather than just picking holes in everything.

    Goosegog
  • originalbitmanoriginalbitman Member Posts: 920
    Well not so cheap as it cost me $200 but I replaced mine with dash panels from a Legacy L. I bought the at list price from my dealer. You could get them from SubaruParst.com for about $140 plus shipping or find a wreck. The panels are not too difficult to remove (http://www.bitman.com/soobinstall/changer1.html) but the fit is tight so I worried about painting them and then not boogering them up on istall.

    bit
  • winkiebarkwinkiebark Member Posts: 6
    I have a 2001 Outback Wagon that has performed flawlessly - until yesterday. I have the in dash single CD player and it died. I have no power, no lights, no eject: nothing. The radio and cassette player still work. I checked the fuses, then pulled the audio assembly and checked the connections on the back. I found nothing to have caused the problem. YES, I got the dash put together just fine! Actually, I was impressed with the design, fit and finish. Anyway, I'm wondering if anyone has had a similar situation. I have an appointment with the dealer Thursday, but would like to save the time involved. No children or dogs have been in the car, so I'm confident that no candy or bones went in the front.

    dab
  • hypovhypov Member Posts: 3,068
    dab,
    No power, no lights... hmmm
    Check the power cable for breaks, if you could get to the inside, check for breaks there too. When you said fuse, did you meant a fuse in the Player? If not, I think there might be a fuse in the Player.
    If everything checks out, then, the Player is probably burnt out. Had a CD Player burnt out on me once and it happened within a week of purchase. Of course its a home system. I know, apple and oranges. But electronically, they're the same. Even CD Players aren't inmune to 'Lemons', but I hope for you it isn't the later.
  • elliowbelliowb Member Posts: 7
    Just had to post this experience.
    Every car company sells part product, part service. We all know that Subaru makes a good quality product, but what about Subaru of America's service?
    I just discovered that their service is as good if not better than their great quality product. To make a long story short, I have been having clutch problems with my 1998 Legacy GT. It first occurred under warranty, but the repair didn't completely fix the problem, because it came back. Now the car is out of warranty (77K). The district rep looked over the problem and the repair record and we agreed we needed to take off the tranny to see if there was an underlying problem. There was, and Subaru is taking care of most of the cost. No arguments, no hassles, no headaches. WHAT A GREAT COMPANY!! Subaru really does stand behind their product. I am soon to be in need of a second vehicle, believe me, it is going to be a Subaru!!

    -- Bill
  • mikezakmikezak Member Posts: 95
    I emailed SoA the other night regarding the morning brake squeal. They replied that the fix would involved the installation of some type of shims -- however the fix would not be available until the August timeframe.

    Patti - can you also confirm the fix and timeframe?

    -Zak
  • reblack_jrreblack_jr Member Posts: 57
    Does anyone have experience with the Subaru 12 volt cooler that is sold as an accessory? Are there other products from companies like Coleman that are more practical or lower in cost? Any comparisons previously made are appreciated.
    Does the cooler draw power or run while the car is turned off and how long might I safely use the cooler before the car battery runs down? What is the experience with the 120 volt AC adapter?
    Thanks!
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