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Later I found out that the car was made in the US. I'm quite dissapointed, but was wondering what everyone thought about the differences.
In regards to doublesix... I've had the car for about a month and I've never noticed any smell... About the rebates. I don't think so. I paid cash, but I know they have some good financing going on.
Gas milage? Whoever told you that is silly. I average about 35MPG. My commute is 50 miles a day. My highway and city miles are about the same...
Later I found out that the car was made in the US. I'm quite dissapointed, but was wondering what everyone thought about the differences.
Virtually all Honda Civics, most Accords, all Honda SUVs except the CRV, all Honda minivans, most Toyota Camrys, virtually all Sienna minivans, all Toyota Tundra pickups [and their SUV spinoffs], etc ad nauseum, are made in North America. Some Accords are sourced in Mexico.
Japanese-branded cars that are actually made in Japan are the exception, not the rule. Most Lexus and Infinti products are still built in Japan, but probably not for much longer. With Acura, it depends on the model - all TLs, CLs, and MDXs are local.
The Japanese have been extremely successful at the science of setting up overseas assembly operations that are as good as, or better than, those back home. The Germans, unfortunately, have been unable [at least so far] to accomplish that same feat.
1=USA
2=Canada
J=Japan
In looking at inventory of my local dealers, it appears most are made in the USA, though not 95%. Most made in Japan appeared to be LEs or S, at least at a cursory glance.
Co-workers have Toyota Prius's; and both of them are made in Japan... weird.
But both of the Matrix's were made in Canada...
Thanks again for the info.
My mileage on the first tank was over 30, so after breakin, I expect to get very close to the EPA figures.
As for being built in California, besides the VIN, you will also find NUMMI stickers inside the door jamb and under the hood.
No smell so far - very please with the car.
Yes the a/c does stink when not in use with a/c button on, bad smell of mildew?
the gas milesge is about 30mpg , 80 % city , 20% highway
it needs little more power, feels sluggish unless fully floored/downshifting.
Build quality is B+ , i see some gaps/rattle but overall good build quality compare to other econo cars
I don't think the build location per se has anything to do with the smell. This whole rotten egg thing worries me, though, as I'm strongly considering buying a Corolla soon. I guess I'd rather not have it smelling like a bathroom in a frat house.
Changing brands is VERY unlikely to make the sulphur smell go away. Additive packages, by the way, constitute far less than 1 tenth of 1 percent of the average tank of gasoline, by volume. The rest is the bulk gasoline bought from the nearest or least expensive refinery. The same tanker often fills at the refinery and then goes to Exxon, Mobil, Shell, Kroger, etc.
Greenpeace is not an authority on refineries and gasoline marketing.
All that aside, though, there is no harm in switching brands of gasoline. If it makes the smell go away (which might have not been present on any particular tankful anyway), so much the better!
I would think you can get 50k reliable miles out of your Corolla, maybe much more.
The last corolla I owned went to 249K, reliable the whole time...keep it a while!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
A friend has an 87 Corolla with 166,000 miles and cannot get it to pass emissions test. Mechanics say it has a rather uncommon, weird carburetor that is very difficult to work on.
Meanwhile I see old American brand clunkers with many more miles that are still running and passing emissions tests.
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If you look carefully, it is the higher end 80s cars that are still around, for all brands...this is because the more expensive cars got fuel injection first...the same is true for Toyota, which was fuel injecting the celica, cressida, and supra in 1983 and the van and all trucks in 1984 and 1985.
Maintaining smog compliance on an older car is like night and day when comparing between carbureted and fuel injected cars.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
I'm also still wondering why Toyota failed to introduced side airbags with head protection with the redesign (though ALL of the Corollas crash test scores are very good).
When I was in the market for a small car some months ago, I was duly impressed by the Corolla, but the S model I would have wanted felt a lot slower than it looked, had those silly side sill extensions, and was only available with every option except the ones I wanted- ABS and side airbags.
IMO if Toyota wants to penetrate the youth market, they need to do it by creating enhanced images for products well respected in other arenas. Anyone remember the Corolla GT-S two doors from the late 80s? Or the FX16 hatchbacks?
Personally, I'd like to see Toyota kill the overpriced ECHO, forget the inevitable failure that will be Scion, and refocus energy on the Corolla line.
~alpha
You got a good deal at $11K CDN for an Echo with auto and A/C! That seems amazing!
dudley - rabbits weren't fuel-injected right? And I know that GTIs were the only fuel-injected golfs when they were introduced in 1983.
OTOH, by 1985, the only non-FI Toyotas were corolla and tercel, which were the two cheapest models, and were cheaper than VW golfs and jettas. The camry had just been introduced at that point, as a little car and hatchback, and it was fuel-injected.
I do agree that Toyota should have brought FI to the remaining two models more quickly than it did.
alpha - I loved that FX16 hatch! If Toyota brought a car like that to market today, I bet it would sell really well.
Of course, if it had to pick between a 2004 FX16 and this corolla XLE that has been proposed, I bet the XLE would sell better. It would have to have more power (the RAV4 engine, maybe?) and a much nicer interior than the LE though. This meaning that they would have to get rid of lots of that hard plastic, and replace it with softer-touch materials like Jetta has. A moonroof should be standard.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Too amazing to be true I'm afraid. Either it was not new or pulgo converted his/her price to US$. US$11000 is still pretty amazing for what you get though.
Sorry pulgo, but with decent equipment, like a tach, 15 in. wheels, air, etc., the Echo quickly approaches/exceeds the price of a Corolla CE, which has all those things standard. Plus, the Echo is ugly, and feels like it will flip over in a crosswind (or at least did when I drove a 2001 through NY state last year). I dont know where you are obtaining your acceleration info, but the Corolla seems to be the winner from what I've seen (Car and Driver, 5sp manual models). And the Corolla gets up to what...40 mpg with a stick?... hardly anything to scoff at, even if its worse than Echo. At the very least, if Toyota must continue the Echo, it should be priced against the Accent with which it competes.
~alpha
I drove the Accent for a few days. In fact I rented a brand new one for a week.
For those who have driven both cars (Echo and Accent), there just is no comparison. The automatic Echo gets better mileage than the manual Accent (combined), due to the better engine and fuel injection technology.
For those who want to spend the minimum possible amount for a car, yes, the Accent is a very good option.
For me there was no doubt whatsoever.
Where I live, we have high winds on an almost daily basis. Yes the car is sensitive to side winds but not that much.
My previous car was a Chevrolet Caprice that was completely immune from high winds so I know the difference.
Have I mentioned that I like the Corolla? Yes I do but my goal was buying a car that would be as inexpensive as possible, give me a very long service with a minimum in maintenance and monthly repairs. So far repairs are 0. Maintenance has been oil changes every 8k miles (synthetic oil), 2 air filters, 1 set of platinum spark plugs, 1 cabin air filter. That's it, not even a light bulb to replace. What more can I wish for?
Well, I would love an Audi A6 with the turbodiesel engine they sell in Germany, but that's another story.
I wish everybody a great weekend and don't be mad with me if I still like my Echo better than other small cars. It's just a matter of personal taste.
Some changes I'd like to see: offer power windows and keyless on the CE, I'd like both but don't want Grandma's fake wood trim on the LE, nor do I want Junior's ugly tack-on trim of the 'S', and those are the only way I can get them. I would also love to see a two-door Corolla and maybe a hatchback, stealing some more sales from Civic if they offered both. There are plenty of people, younger especially, who don't want a four-door but don't like the Echo and can't afford a Celica or Solara. There's a big gap ($14-18k) a Corolla coupe would fill nicely.
Price in Germany: around US$ 40000.
I'm not willing to spend that kind of money on a car that will be worth little after 5-6 years with the kind of mileage I put on cars (35k miles per year).
If you drove the Dalton or the Alaska Highway (just kidding), then you will have to pay for it.
I am sorry if this post belongs to a different topic, but I couldn't find a thread about Corolla pricing.
A friend of mine from NY tri-state area is about to buy a 03 Corolla LE. I think that she can get it for about invoice, or a little over. Is it correct? I will actually suggest her to do what I did when I was buying my last car: make a take-it-or-leave-it OTD offer. Amount will be calculated as follows:
<price of a car> + <extra amount> + <advertising> + <doc fee> + TTL
<price of a car> already includes all options and destination charge.
My question is: how much should be <extra amount>? Also, please let me know if Corollas are selling for under invoice or there are cash incentives that I am not aware of. I assume she'll qualify for 0% financing, which certainly helps a lot.
Thank you for your help.
Good luck!
can the dealer make this adjustment, or is there no way?