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They will have problem every now and then.
Nothing wrong with some extra precaution.
wenyue: only half joking -- you should have heard the oohs and ahs from the crowd when the new Camry came on screen.
Only a few more months and we still don't have a spy photo at all?
Maybe dennis can do some undercover work and sneakout some pictures?
Still looking for another spy picture, but nil so far....
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/carnews/carnews_spyshots.xml
It's not a close up shot, of the 2002 camry under going winter testing.
As for the 1st year problems. Yes, even Toyota is not immune to the first year teething problems. Toyota (and Honda) are less likely to run into them, but no one can't promise 100% trouble free first year model.
It's a choice I guess: to be or not to be the first one on the block with the new model.
going on how the front end looks like the
previous generation Taurus.
But is that really the "official" looks the
new Camry? Or just a guess similar to the other pic?
Being the first one in the block with the new
gadget always have its moment. No argument from
me there
I just hope when they remove the cover, it would NOT actually resemble
a Taurus
I knew they going to put a new 2.4 I-4 engine in it. How about the V-6?
Is Toyota going to put new V-6 engine as well?
Wish Honda comes out with their new Accord at the same time. That way
they can really be compared head-to-head.
I test drove the 2001 Camry and my impressions were much like yours. It was "just there". I had an Alfa Romeo a few years ago and while it is not fair to compare the two, I was surprised at the plainness of the Camry's feel and look. I expect to buy an Accord today. It is not much better in terms of look and feel but its lower price with better features won out.
Someday I hope to have the best of both worlds: a nice smooth sedan and a terrific roadster. Not this year though.
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http://www.auto.com/
targetnews/articles/Automotive/
03_20_2001. reulb-story-bcautosstolen.html
Camry gets top 4 88-91 for most stolen cars. 94 Accord EX comes at #5 !!
Need info on the above please. Accord is "rated" safer with 4 stars all across by the nhsta.org while the http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/pdfs/mid_inexp.pdf (insurance institute)
rates Camry safer!
Which is safer? We need to put a toddler in the rear seat of whichever car we buy.
Any help is appreciated.
SA
Accident avoidance is always best.
They are both VERY close. The Accord is easier to buy(no options headaches with EX cloth version). Camry is quieter.
Any comments on the suspension between the 2 cars?
Accord has a SOHC engine and Camry a DOHC. What's the difference anyone?
Thanks.
in 2001, but our 1999 LE 4 cyl with 66K miles on the odo gets 35 mpg on the highway, is real quiet and shifts smoother than any Honda I have driven.
I've been following the posts in this forum for a while and finally decided to join in. It's been really interesting reading people's viewpoints, opinions and other information. I'm very interested in the upcoming new Camry model coming out for 2002. I saw a picture from an earlier link and fell in love. If this picture is accurate, then I'm seriously considering trading up from my 2000 LE V6 to a 2002 XLE V6. I want some more "luxury type" features on my next car.
However, before I saw the 2002 pictures, I was considering the VW Passat for my next vehicle (whenever that may be). I've been hearing and reading so many impressive things about it and it is a good-looking car. You don't see many of them which is not the case with the Camry. The sticking point is the reliability with the Passat, it just doesn't measure up to the stone-cold dependability of the Camry. I really do like my car (even though it's often criticized for being "boring" by car critics) and one of the main selling points for me was it's high reliability rating. Although I must admit, I do long for something sportier (yet still practical). I wasn't sure such a car existed until I saw the 2002 Camry pix. It may be just want I want in a car.
What do people think of the VW Passat and all the buzz surrounding it lately? Would it be crazy to trade in my reliable (15,000+ miles and 0 problems) Camry for a sharp-looking Passat with questionable reliability history? Or should I just wait for the 2002 Camry? I also thought about the Accord (which doesn't have it's new model due out until 2003, I think). I had originally considered the Accord when I bought my Camry because they were very similar and the Accord had more features for the same money. But for me, the Camry was more comfortable, so I went with it.
I'd be interested in any and all opinions. It's nice to know that there are other people in the world who love discussing these issues too.
Regards,
SilverCrown
Since we have moved to our new platform, we no longer have the requirement to stop and restart discussions after the numbers of posts exceed a certain limit. Since this discussion can continue as long as anyone has anything to say about on this comparison, there is no longer a need for the "Round Three" that has been included in the discussion name. Down the road, that could confuse our newer members so I have removed it.
I've altered the name slightly of the original Accord vs. Camry discussion in the Archives to differentiate it from this active one.
Please continue...
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basically, an accord lx sedan 4 cylinder with an MSRP in the 20200 range can be had for $18200. right? so i'm considering that.
but i'm also considering a camry LE 4 cylinder with option package 3 (ABS, daytime running lights,keyless entry, security, power seat adjustment), and moonroof, with an MSRP in the $22400 range. but the thing is, invoice is right around $19800, and with a rebate that's down to $19100....
so you tell me... which is the better deal? an accord at 18200 or a camry at, say, 19300 ($200 profit), when the accord lacks the moonroof, the power seat, the ABS, the daytime running lights, the 8 speakers.
i'm not knocking the accord...it just seems to me the rebate helps get the prices closer, plus i don't care how you need to get an EX to get a moonroof, and if you want cloth seats, you can't consider the EX v6. some consider toyota's option packages confusing. i consider them allowing the customer to better custom-tailor their car purchase. am i nuts?
I was shopping Accord EX for my friend. We got a deal for $200 over invoice. Gaurds thrown in for free. I guess it is a good deal. $20398 + 48 Doc + 80 Plates xfer + tax.
So here is a deal on EX which goes against Camry Le with the same options. I think Accord EX is a better value than the Camry LE equipped the same way given that new Camry debutes within a few months
It is sometimes VERY difficult to find a perticular car which is available on Paper!
There are many consumers wanting some options but couldn't find any car on dealer's lot. Also Some options come bundled with others which some guys don't want. It is either way, I personally find Hondas system good as you can have options thrown in at dealer's price while negotriations. My frine got Civic Keyless on LX for 100$.
I wound up buying an Intrepid because I could have the larger, more comfortable car for less than an Accord or Camry. Never been sorry-I get better gas mileage on this biggie than many of you Honda & Toyota owners do on your 4 cyl,according to your letters. Plus I got a lot of standard features I'd have had to pay extra for on the others.
Downside--I have to keep it forever because of resale.
Really wanted to pick up a used (98-00) model of either one. Came home empty handed after 8 toyota or honda dealers. Very hard to find either one used, probably one or two on each lot we went to. The problem is color mainly. Wife only wants silver, burgandy, or white. Well, for 98-00 the Accord silver is a putrid greyish/silver/tan color. So that leaves white as the only choice. Only seen one V6 in white, and it was a 98 with 125K miles, pass. Camry's are mainly black, green, or some strange army green color. Good grief.
Then we decided to drive a 4cyl EX that was white. I hate 4cylinders for the most part, and that certainly reinforced my hatred. It accelerated ok, but the noise was terrible compared to the 6's. Makes me cringe everytime I hit the accelerator
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So tomorrow we'll head off in a different direction. Oh yeah, I looked at new ones too, and the only Accord V6's anyone had were EX's with leather. Don't want leather without heated seats and honda doesn't offer that. I hate car shopping. At least all of the salesmen were very professional for the most part. One was waaaaaay too helpful (fake), and one Honda salesman was thinking I knew nothing about the car industry (told me "leather adds $4000 to resale value"...ummm ok!). But no high pressure annoying carnival acts like I've seen in the past.
I guess, improvements all over, newer styling, added features is giving accord a better run than the camry. The diff is almost 18K units between the two. It is especially impressive when Accord's fleet sales are much lower than Camry's
Almost bought a VW Jetta last weekend. My friend told me to read the April 2001 Consumer Reports Special on Cars. I bought Consumer Reports. This issue of Consumer Reports is a 'Must Read' for every prospective car buyer. It has a lot to say about every Make and Model of cars. They do this kind of analysis once in five years. They do have a lot of info on the Jetta and Passat.
Well, now we are deciding between an Accord and a Camry.
T.D.A. (Advertising fee) DLR $ 184.00
M.A.F. DLR $ 241.00
2% HOLDBACK MSRP DLR $ 369.00
PIO HOLDBACK DLR $ 21.00
1% FINANCE RESERVE MSRP DLR $ 184.00
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$ 999.00
I haven't checked but what sort of fees do Honda dealers add?
Also, it seems that every Toyota "COMES" with VIN window etching, Pinstriping and other non-optional stuff from Gulf States,at extra charge.
I am looking between Accord and Camry for my mom, after >>ALMOST<< buying a Sienna for my wife. Toyota Engine Sludge and dishonored Toyota warranties convinced me to pay extra for the Odyssey. However, when I looked at the price of a Sienna CE with Extra Value Pack., after all the fees had been added (Invoice $22,636, quoted $500 over invoice + FEES => $23,687 +TTL), the Odyssey was only about $262 more (I paid $23,949 +TTL for Odyssey LX). So while Toyota looks good at Invoice $, after the fees, its way more expensive.
Also, Car and driver magazine name the Accord has one of the 10 top vehicles. Check caranddriver.com.
Anyone have any luck finding a Camry LE with ABS & air bags in the Gulf States!!??
Anyone know if and when Honda Canada's going to drop their finance rates? Their currently stuck at market rates (8.25%) when everyone else is offering below market. Toyota has 3.9% on the Camry (48 mo.). That huge rate difference has stopped me from buying an Accord. Thanks.
I would take EX V6 over Camry V6 anyday as it is a very much better value & is a sportier(imp to me). This is the reason why Honda sales 30% V6 accords whereas Camry is 10%.
It is also a fact that XLE Camry doesn't sell at all compared to EX Accords. It is not superiority or such just lies in the economy.
2) About Resale & Reliability
dhughes3 : Reliability is also imp for first 5 years of usage. Even if warranty covers Ford products I wouldn't want to take it in for numeroius rattles, sqeacks, minor problems etc which lies in Build quality/panel gaps.
As for the resale after 10 years, I can give you a practical life example. 3 of my friends sold their 91 Accord DX with around 115K mileage for $4000-$4500!! They got a customer within a day of the advertisement. One of my friend is struggling to sell his 93 Taurus with 78K miles for $4000, which is 3.8 Liter V6, power driver seat, windows, abs etc(many options) (He got new 2001 EX I4 Accord) There was only one enquiry for it. He has now reduced price to 3500. The car is in good condition & well maintained.
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ??
Accord doesn't have power windows has more mileage, is 4-cyl & is 2 model years older & is going for better money. Taurus is giving hard time to find an enquiry !!
Moral of the story : Even if you keep Accord for 10 years & put 100K+ miles on it, you can get back $4000 & we are talking about DX here!!!
Any idea for how much 93 Accord EX goes for ?? Just check on Kbb/edmunds. I wouldn't want to buy a product like Taurus which is sold 50% to fleets. Even camry is suffering on resale against Accord due to higher fleet sales (10-12% vs 2-4% for the Accord)