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Thanks for the quick response.
How do you like those tires? I read reviews from owners of the tires on Tire Rack.com and alot of them did not have good things to say about them, especially about road noise.
What do you think about your tires?
such a bad experiance over the 5-years with the olds, I will not go GM again. went to 4 honda dealers. tops trade-in was $4000 (65,000 miles & good cond overall).
also had it in the paper 3 times for private sale starting at $6500 then the last ad was for $5200.
got about 3-4 calls and 2 came to look. so gonna cut my losses and take the $4k
~alpha
Maybe I've been lucky but we now have 2 GMs and they have bother been nothing short of excellent.
While I know GM has had issues in the past, my Accords were not trouble free either. Our GM truck has been good and I really have no worries about my car. While there are lots of stories about how much GM sucks (a Honda owners favorite topic), the numbers over the past few years consistently show that quality has come up quickly. I'm not going to tell you that GM is the best, but you also can't say "my GM eight or ten years ago sucked so they still do".
Times change, companies change and I made a change. So far I could not be happier.
On another note...I forgot this observation. I am having a terrible time keeping my windows from fogging up. In my old Accord (94) I just needed to mix AC and the heat to defog the windows. When my AC is on (during the summer in DC) during a humid day...I can't seem to keep my windows from fogging up (even the side windows). The old ac/heat mixture does not seem to work. Has anyone figured out how to do this yet?
BTW the AC is so much better in this new car.
Thanks
i only have 3500 miles on my coupe. so far i'd say the tires are satisfactory. but i'm not a barn burner or anything. they handle fine but are a tad noisy...especially on coarsely textured pavement. but the new accord has more sound deadening and therefore tire roar isn't too much of an issue. i guess at this point i couldn't either recommend or not recommend them to you...sorry
Good news is, WSJ section B1, p. 6, that US Honda sales are up 13% for the first six month.
So.....is it safe to go ahead and purchase an EX V6,4-door, and can I leverage the negative press, so I get the car for $25K (no nav) TT and out the door?
Anonymousposts, resale on most cars has gone to the dogs in recent years because of all the incentives. Honda has been able to keep prices up but even Toyota is now offering 0% on some vehicles in the U.S.
2. Which owner is more likely to make a fuss about minor issues? A typical Honda owner (45 year olds) or a Buick owner (65 year olds)?
By that logic....the Honda Civic which has a much younger following than the typical Honda or Buick product should have the most complaints of all.....Does anyone know if that is true?
2) You can't conjecture that a 45 complains more than a 60 year old. In fact I would say a typical retired 60 year old has a lot more time on his hands to complain than anyone else. Certainly true of our clients. The old people call more than anyone!
2. I doubt that. A younger buyer is more likely more involved with his car than an older buyer. Age will definitely play a role, and sometimes, expectations too.
I won't be surprised if that is true. However, it would be interesting to find out the average age of a Civic buyer compared to that of an Accord, but more likely than not, it will be within 5-10 years. OTOH, a typical Buick (and likely Lexus) buyer is well above 60.
My logic gets thrown out the window if you consider that average age of a typical Oldsmobile was 58 recently (still about 10 years younger than a Buick buyer), yet Olds ranked just below industry average. That takes us to another issue. Why is Buick high on the list, but Olds, Chevy and Pontiac are not? Same goes for Ford/Mercury.
That said, it may be a good idea to throw in average age of people that were part of the survey along with the makes.
Thanks. That really helps. You're probably right, if those tires are kinda loud on your car with the additional sound deadening, I'm sure they would be loud on my car.
I've been survey 3 times for new cars ( I think they came at 90 days or 60 days after purchase for initial problems ) and I have received surveys at about 6 months, but I don't know if those were GM's or Powers.
Re age: I agree that older folks have more expectations of reasonable quality from their cars and they have the time to pursue those. Therefore more complaints. consumer reports sends surveys to only part of their subscribers (I didn't get one) and their subscriber base is not a statistical cross section of car buyers as a whole. The people who do respond to their survey is even less of a general sample; they usually have a purpose -- to prove that their choice of car really was a good one and therefore they minimize/ignore problems in the reporting.
Re age: Younger buyers of smaller and cheaper and more economical cars tend to be younger, have families or are involved in many activities as a single and notice less about the deficiencies their car has. They also tend to be more ego involved and want their car to be "perfect" therefore complain little about problems. Older folks let it all out in their social talk about their cars.
Re Edmunds: The younger buyers aren't spending time on edmunds. They're raising three kids, PTA, grocery, housekeeping, along with jobs and fun on their free time. Older folks with time and fewer financial pressures are here reporting problems.
2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,
The age card you are playing is insignificant. You can not make a value judgment like that, it's completely unscientific unless you have some data to back up your claim.
If you're not getting the survey, there's something amiss, because all subscribers are supposed to get one. I've gotten one every year that I've subscribed.
As for your second point, the results don't support it. If it was really true that people who respond to surveys want to prove that their choice of car was a good one and thus they minimize problems, there wouldn't be so many cars that do so poorly in the CR survey.
LX V-6. I recently learned that the dealerships
located near the Marysville, Ohio Honda
plant still have the $460 destination charge and
was somewhat surprised at this. Is there any way
to avoid the destination charge? Also, I received
a quote this past week of $22,310 for an '03 here
in the dayton area. This price includes adding the
leather interior for $900. Is this a good price?
Thanks.
I would say that the quote is fair, if you keep shopping around you might be able to find it cheaper but how much is your time worth.
I think you are stuck with destination charges regardless of where you live.
Reading about and reporting problems on sites like this, IMO, is more likely to occur by this group.
saber01-check out carsdirect.com for a decent selling price. I can't speak for Ohio, but here in NJ the carsdirect.com price for an LXV6 4door is 21,258+your 900 leather (do you really need this?) and youre at 22158, so your deal is close.
~alpha
Thanks for your imput.
It would be a nightmare for any auto manufacturer to coordinate and update the actual destination costs and pre-print them on the sticker. Especially if the vehicles come from overseas and sit in a lot, a boat, a lot, a truck, a train, a truck, a lot, a truck, the dealer.
If the probability of winning a lottery is similar to getting part of JD Power survey, do I need to say anything more? Think about it.
I have been asked questions about my car(s), and it has always been from Honda! (it is usually about services rendered by the dealership).
The age card you are playing is insignificant. You can not make a value judgment like that, it's completely unscientific unless you have some data to back up your claim.
That is why I said age (and more) should be disclosed with the study. Any survey becomes insignificant if it lacks accuracy, and ignores attributes that could affect the end results.
You may not want to agree with me, but my experience suggests that a younger buyer is more prone to notice minor issues (like bumper paint not completely matching that of the fenders) or a car pulling slightly to the right, or not responding to their lead footed driving. Older people usually drive the car a lot less aggressively, and are more likely to get it washed elsewhere (auto or manual) than buffing it for 3-4 hours with passion.
I am relatively young, and I whine about every little thing about my car.
My father drives my car, he doesnt even notice the little squeaks and rattles, or it doesnt even bother him.
On the other hand, a person's personality plays a big part into the equation as well...
only one power seat, no daylight lights, no cassette in the radio, no full size spare and most important why the rough too firm ride. It is a good car but no Camry or Avalon. On the other hand it is getting twenty nine mpg. I'll get over it
Please help!
Thanks
the LX V-6. The dealer will do it for you. I was
quoted $900 from a dealer here in the Dayton area.
They contract aftermarket.
You still didn't give me a better place to go for data than JD Power??
JD Power outlines details on it's web site. It's not like it's a fly by night company, it's one of the most respected organizations in the U.S.
http://www.jdpower.com
Age thing can not be proven statistically, only from "your experience". One could argue a value judgment like that either way depending on what view you are trying to argue. Unless you have something more concrete it's nothing more than an opinion.
Listen, I have never said Honda is inferior, only that other companies are getting better and it's not as far ahead as it used to be. I think that is true (lots of other studies show the same thing) and that is the general jist of the JD Power study.
The wife originally wanted a new Civic to replace her 95 Civic. Once she drove the Civic and Accord several times she was amazed at how refined the new Accord felt over the new Civic. You can actually hear the sterio and carry on a conversation in the Accord. In the Civic you get a lot more tire/road noise and the ride quality is clearly inferior to the Accord. I found the AC to be a better in the Accord also.
But then all I've ever owned prior to my 03 Accord are 4WD Trucks, so maybe my perspective is skewed.
With Accord v. Camry, it has always come down to preferences- does one prefer a more engaging driving experience or elevated refinement and a relaxed driving experience? Prefering one but choosing the other, and then criticizing the vehicle for it, seems unfair.
And trust me, the early Camrys from the 2002 redesign were far from without squeaks and rattles.
~alpha
Thank you!
sysop "Real-World Trade-In Values" Jul 12, 2003 10:00am
your right about the accord being no camry, i say thank goodness for that. i find the camry's interior downright drab. you got to love those fixed outside side mirrors. perfect car for those coming from a buick.
alpha, you made some very good points especially about how the early camrys had plenty of squeaks and rattles. i wouldn't say the camry is more refined though.
I think it really comes down to preference with these two cars, and thats why I spoke against criticizing the Accord for not offering a butter-cream ride. People who prefer the characteristics of the Camry or Avalon should buy those, and those who favor firmness and driver involvement would do well to look at Accord/Altima . Example -granted it was Dec 2001 and the new Accord was not out yet (obviously) my parents drove 02 Altima 2.5S, 02 Accord EX, 02 Camry LE.. and went with the Camry. They could care less about sporting pretensions, and felt the Camry to be most comfortable and quiet. (For demographic purposes they were finely aged 46 years at the time). Ours has suffered just recently from an insulation squeak in the dash, and a seized glovebox lock, so thats where my comment regarding initial model introduction quality came from. Otherwise, they are very pleased with the first 32,000 miles.
~alpha