Older Honda Accords

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,690
    "but would charge me $150 for labor, "because I hadn't done my oil changes at the dealer" and wasn't entitled to any more than that."

    This makes my point about how Honda and dealers (and others) intimidate customers into have all service done at their high-priced shop even when the law says they don't have to do so.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    Ironic that people try to save a few pennies going to Shade Tree Oil Change Inc. after spending thousands of dollars to buy a quality vehicle.
         Protect your investment. Have service performed by an authorized dealer.
  • mikeysoftmikeysoft Member Posts: 63
    I rather do it myself, at least my own oil changes.
  • mwaddomwaddo Member Posts: 30
    First, thanks to all who contribute really good information on this board. After a few months of trying to decide between a 2004 Accord EX-Nav and 2004 TL, I think I've finally decided to go with the Accord. The TL is very nice, but not $8K nicer TO ME.

    So, here are my questions:

    1. Edmunds TMV for this car is $27,049 in my area (Delaware). Has anyone in this general area done better?

    2. I want to add fog lights, spoiler, and winter mats. There is a pretty decent price difference between Honda list price and other web pages selling Honda parts. Has any one purchased these items from the dealer, gotten a good deal, and what does the install prices look like?

    I think I can handle the install on the floor mats! The spoiler looks doable (any horror stories from DIY's?). The fog lamps I have to have professionally installed. Any other options you guys and gals can't live without I should be thinking about?

    3. I currently drive a 2001 Accord EX 5-sp. I really love the car, but I want to upgrade to V6, heated leather, nav, etc. One thing I worry about is the VTEC is sweet when YOU decide when to shift. Can you really take advantage of driving close to the red line with the auto? Or does the significant HP/Torque increase of the VR really make this a non-issue?

    4. Lastly, the published numbers for interior space don't look that different from my 2001. However, I realize the numbers aren't the whole story. Anyone move from a previous generation to the new Accord? If so, how does the interior space feel compared to the last Accord?

    Thanks for all of your past and future help!

    Mike
  • aggie1995aggie1995 Member Posts: 318
    ironic that people try to save a few pennies going to Shade Tree Oil Change Inc. after spending thousands of dollars to buy a quality vehicle.

    Why is Shade Tree automatically assumed to not be a quality service shop? The savings are usually in dollars and not pennies as you suggest. Those dollars may not be significant to you but there are others who value the savings as much as they value having a quality vehicle like the Accord.
  • fjm1fjm1 Member Posts: 137
    1+2: Get all those options added at, or less than the 27K price you listed and your doing O.K.
    Fog lights is about $500, same for spoiler, mats about $100 (all installed). EX V6 w/nav before tax should be no more than 26K, I've heard of people getting for much less.
    3: non-issue, test drive it hard and you'll know
    4: It's bigger and WAY nicer on the EX, again, test drive will tell the whole story.
  • aggie1995aggie1995 Member Posts: 318
    1. Forget Edmunds TMV. $100 to $300 over invoice on a 2004 is what you should shoot for. Check out the prices paid board for a buyer in your area and see what they actually paid. however if you can get all the accessories included for you are doing great.

    2. Accessories. Install prices can vary tremendously by dealer. The spoiler is a piece of cake if you are somewhat mechanically inclined. The fog lights are too much for me and I would get a pro install.

    I want the Bluetooth phone handsfree kit for my cell phone. I would also like the autodimming mirror.

    3. the HP/Torque of the V6 makes your worries a non issue. It is very very fast when making passes on the highway. You won't hear the VTEC sound though.

    4. The specs don't show much more space, but the "feel" of the car is that it is a little larger (wider and taller). legroom feels about the same.
  • mitchfloridamitchflorida Member Posts: 420
    It isn't just the money you save, it is also the time. It costs me just $15 for Goodyear to change the oil with Quaker State AND rotate the tires. I think they handle th job fine ..

    I once went to a Honda Dealer and he wanted to charge me $60 just to change out the air filter!

    I do go to the dealer for something more complex . . but not for oil changes. And Honda should stand behind their product . .. not give me the runaround regarding the safety recall.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Very well stated... my thoughts exactly.
  • robr2robr2 Member Posts: 8,805
    I guess it depends on your dealer and the relationship you create with them. My Honda dealer charges $23 bucks for an express oil change - reasonable IMHO. They do silly little things like hand me a candy bar or a carnation with the invoice. The minor and major services are a bit on the high side. But whenever there's a borderline warranty issue, they go to bat for me with Honda and get it taken care of.

    And I didn't even buy either vehicle from them.
  • hmurphyhmurphy Member Posts: 278
    ...dealers and "shade tree" mechanics. You just have to find a place that works for you. I don't think you can make an across-the-board value judgement about either type of place.
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    So, when I lived in Hawaii, I took my aging Toyota Corolla (a 1982 in 1989) to a good, local shop (the Chevron on the highway in Mililani) for a dying-on-the-highway problem. They told me up front that they didn't know that much about Toyotas but would be happy to work on it if I really wanted them to try. Knowing the Toyota monopoly in Hawaii (the first Toyota dealership in the U.S., I think), I let them have at it. They worked on it for about 10 days, replacing the fuel injection system bit by bit. I took it back, but the problem remained. Finally, after another 4 or 5 days in their shop, they discovered that the fuel pump was leaking (probably the real problem the entire time and undoubtedly caused by the use of alcohol-mix fuel which eats up the seals).

    The shop gained a lot of Toyota knowledge. I got a completely new fuel injection system to go with the new fuel pump and they only charged me one hour labor because of what they had gained (and wounded pride too, I'm sure). Of course, that was a bit under $400 dollars (a lot back in 1989!).

    I've tended to go to the dealers ever since, sure that they would have found the fuel pump problem on the first visit (and maybe during an oil change had I gone there for that!). I have found that the dealer oil changes (Honda, Ford, and now GMC) are quite inexpensive these days as they try to compete for service business more than in days of old.

    Oh, one semi-nice side effect of that Chevron repair/learning-experience was that I drove the car for another 4 years without a need for a tune-up. Accelerated like a hot rod!... ;-)
  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    Wow.. didn't mean to trivialize your problem.

    I think it is terribly unprofessional on the part of your rep to tell you that they refuse to help you b/c you didn't have your oil changed at the dealership. My apologies.
  • sox_in_04sox_in_04 Member Posts: 27
    In my experience, whether you go to a dealer or "shade tree", it isn't the master mechanic doing the oil changes.
    In either case your likely to get the parking lot attendant.
    That is why I do essentially all my own routine maintenance, except for perhaps timing belts. And this spring I'm going to tackle that one...

    Mitch, sorry I didn't realize in your 1st post that you actually had a faulty switch, I had made the improper assumption that you had brought it in for replacement based on the recall. You properly point out that Honda, like all manufacturers, typically does a recall in response to public outcry. I propose that you try to get the word out to other '99 owners to "test" whether they have a problem (several posts here point out that this is a problem that is unlikely to be detected by most owners), and notify Honda.
    Hopefully by posting on this board you have gotten the ball rolling (and not your car! ;-)
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    Mikeysoft has a good point. IF an owner is able to change the oil and oil filter himself, he is probably the most careful person to do it.
         "Shade Tree Mechanic" was a generic term 40 years ago and implied that an amateur was the mechanic. I did NOT imply that dealers are the only place capable of changing the oil and oil filter.
         However, when the Dealer changes the oil and oil filter there is a duplicate record that the service was performed. Most dealers want to retain each customer and it is much easier to get warranty work performed when the dealer KNOWS that proper routine maintenance was performed.
  • mikeysoftmikeysoft Member Posts: 63
    From Honda's Owner Link web site and in the warranty book.
    "The only way your warranty may be affected is if it can be shown that misuse or improper (or lack of) maintenance caused or contributed to the malfunction."
     
    To me, this means that they must do warranty work unless they can prove I did or did not do something that caused the problem. An example is that he cannot refuse warranty work on my breaks, alternator, radio, AC, transmission, fuel injectors, recalls, etc because I don’t have my oil change records. Even if it something to do with the engine, he must state that bad oil has caused the problem.
     
    I had warranty work (new cat) on my 03 Accord with about 18k miles on it. All the dealer said was that I should be bringing the car in for normal service so they could monitor for problems. He did now say they would not fix warranty problems because I did not bring it in for normal service. They did the warranty work without any questions about my service records.
     
    How did I know I needed a new CAT you may ask? The check engine light came on. The OBD code (fee check at places like autozone) said I had a bad cat.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Find yourself another Honda dealer for oil and filter changes. My dealer in New Jersey, charges $23.00 for an oil and filter change, including N.J. tax.----(I always make it a "point" to "tip" the machanic prior to receiving the service). It is something that I "just like to do"!---- I make an appointment "for as soon as they open for business on a given day", and I am out the door in 1/2 hour. Since there is a coffee shop around the corner, I get a cup of coffee for myself and the service writer. I enjoy the total experience and in the process I get the vehicle serviced. I am VERY lucky. I have a "Great Dealership" run by some good people, and I appreciate their efforts. ---- Just my opinion. -----Greg
  • inkieinkie Member Posts: 281
    Hansienna you can get oil changes at so called "shade tree mechanic" shops or do it yourself as long as you retain proof of service by retaining reciepts your warranty will stay in affect for the 3yrs or 36000 miles. Some dealers may tell you differently but its not so. If your warranty has expired the week before and you are looking for warranty work you may have a point.

    Greg, I live in jersey just let me know when you need some service bring the coffee and tip and I'll do it! I take my coffee black and my gift is a free can of Marvel Mystery Oil.
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    And if the dealer charged $10 MORE per oil change and you changed every 3,000 miles, you would have 33 oil changes by the time it had gone 99,000 miles.
         That would be $330 extra to pay the dealer IF the dealer charged $10 more than elsewhere.
         The $330 is 1.3 % of the cost of the new vehicle. Why take the risk for a paltry 1.3 % ?
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "Why take the risk for a paltry 1.3 % ?"

    And exactly what are we risking?
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    Maybe risking that the guy in the Jiffy Lube pit won't tighten the oil filter down completely and leave it leaking oil as happened to me on my '95 Civic a few years ago. (That was when I started going the very good service department at what was then Jim McNatt Honda in Lewisville, TX -- they sold out to AutoNation recently, no doubt for BIG bucks!)
  • inkieinkie Member Posts: 281
    It would be + or - 480.00 4 times a yr.for 10 yrs. because my oil changes cost me 12 bucks or less. I service my car because I like to and I know its done correctly. Also you can't tell me that every time you visit your dealer he does not do a few needless extras that cost. And as far as risk is concerned if you don't use Honda dealers. You can go to the CRV forums, you will notice at this time there has been reported to NHSTA 7 fires that they think was caused by oil filter sealing gaskets left on at the Honda dealers after the first oil change. Apparantly, the techs did not check to see if the filter housing surface was clean before screwing on the new filter. So although I agree with you about Jiffy Lube it could also happen at your dealer. The moral of this message is: No matter who you use, check the work! Regards, inkie
  • bburton3bburton3 Member Posts: 185
    Seveeral years ago a neighbor in Atlanta had an accord like mine and asked if I would show him how to change the oil. Had extra filters and oil-took the stuff to his house and proceeded to change the oil. When I tried to get the filter off noticed it was very dirty and stuck-had to get a filter wrench to get it off. He had been having the dealer to change oil/filter for the past 2 years-the filter looked to have never been changed.

    Yeah always check the work. Changed my oil and filter last week-15 minutes max. Have around 20 gallons of used oil/atf to take to a local garage which uses it to heat the place-this time of year they are looking for donations-it is about -10F this AM.
  • snakehairsnakehair Member Posts: 120
    I choose not to use the dealer for routine service. I use an independant who has been around for years and is very highly recommended by all. He ain't cheap (but cheaper than the dealer), but the peace of mind that someone is looking at the car rather than trying to get it out quickly is worth the time and money. The biggest advantage is that he doeasn't add on extra work that isn't needed, where the dealer is always pushing extras. If you can find a caring thorough shop, be it dealer or independent...the car care comes first.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    A dealership is no less likely to botch a procedure. The same thing (filter not properly tightened) happened to me at an Oldsmobile dealership... I had brought the car in for warranty work and decided to get an oil change while it was in. Another dealership service horror story... my cousin had a radiator flush done at a dealership, and they neglected to fill the radiator after they flushed it. And there are plenty more to share.

    On the other hand, in all the years that I've gone to quick lube shops for routine stuff, I've never had a single problem. I check the work after it's complete, and I'd do so regardless of where I have it done. So from my perspective, routine service performed at a dealership has no advantage over such service performed elsewhere. Make sure you stick with a reputable shop and you should be no more likely to have problems with the service than you would with a dealership. Might there be a problem with the service? Well, of course there might be... as demonstrated by your Jiffy Lube horror story and my dealership horror stories, that's a risk regardless of where you go.

    So going to a dealership is no guarantee of properly performed procedures. As someone said earlier, although you may be a bit skeptical of the staff's skills at Jiffy Lube, you aren't going to get a master mechanic changing your oil at a dealership, either... the really experienced mechanics will be working on real repairs. The guy who changes your oil probably spends the rest of his day cleaning new cars for delivery. So you take your chances anywhere you go.

    Other than oil changes and tire rotation, I have my routine service performed at a local shop that specializes in Hondas. They have an excellent reputation and have done great work for me and many others for years. They have no need to advertise, as word of mouth from satisfied customers is all the promotion they need. As with snakehair's mechanic, they aren't cheap, but they are less expensive than the dealership.

    At any rate, if it makes you feel better to get your oil changed at a dealership, fine... but don't try to characterize others as careless because they don't share your preference for having routine service performed at a dealership.
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    I have simply had better luck (and not much greater expense) in taking my car to the reputable, qualified, knowledgeable dealer service departments that I have had the good fortune to find readily available.

    I freely admit that many things appeal to me more than clawing around a car, driving grease and oil under fingernails and into recesses I didn't know existed, while attempting to save $10 or $15. Also, while I understand the design and function of the parts, I'm as likely as not to mess up any repair/maintenance work I might attempt. Plus, I do not have the experiencial knowledge that would allow me to recognize anything but the most obvious potential problem. If you enjoy doing the work and have the experience, then have at it!

    It is possible, I suppose, that the dealerships miss the opportunity for potential business (as well as the service it provides to their customers) by not truly performing the (some number)-checks that they claim when I take my vehicles in for oil changes and scheduled services. I have never been fed a line of bull about some really-unnecessary supposed problem they found. But then I have also never had something that they should have found come back to bite me later.

    I can say that, even some of the seemingly expensive scheduled maintenance, has generally turned out to be well worth the money, not only in preventing trouble but also in actually improving performance. A 30,000 mile service on my F150 (almost $600, I believe) did end up increasing my fuel efficiency by a full mile per gallon. I trust it also extended the life of the transmission, cooling systems, and all the lubricated parts. It had the added advantage, since I did not attempt it myself, of saving me from paying for the parts twice because of my ineptitude and disinterested incompetence.

    YMMV
  • whitecloudwhitecloud Member Posts: 29
    I get only major services done there. You can get quality work for less from people who know Hondas.
    Fortunately for oil changes, many dealers have started express oil changes that save you time and might even give you an appointment. If you get work done at a reputable shop, that's in business for awhile you would have an ally for any warrenty disputes too. It's been my experience that Honda won't argue about services performed at these shops. Save your money, buy genuine Honda parts and invest in the service manual for your vehicle.
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    GOOD service can be had in many places: Authorized dealers, Competetant Independent shops, and competetant owners.
          For me and dako, the authorized dealers have been 100 % Satisfactory. An added side bonus going to an authorized dealer is the ability to look at the beautiful new vehicles they have in their lovely showrooms with no pressure from salespeople when I tell them I am looking at their quality merchandise while my vehicle is being serviced. Works every time.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "An added side bonus going to an authorized dealer is the ability to look at the beautiful new vehicles they have in their lovely showrooms with no pressure from salespeople when I tell them I am looking at their quality merchandise while my vehicle is being serviced. Works every time."

    Even if your car isn't in for service, a little white lie about it will get you the same benefit... works every time. ;)
  • dako_tiandako_tian Member Posts: 298
    Excellent summation, hansienna, and good points, all.

    One thing I discovered at the Ford dealer during one such unpressured waiting time was the unintended irony of some signs there. One sign said "Restrooms" and pointed left. Just below it was another sign pointing right that said "Sales." I asked the cashier if those were there so that customers could distinguish the "S" form the "BS" and she was quite amused.... ;-)
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    Great idea. I had NOT even thought of the little white lie.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Thanks for the offer, but I will still go to the Honda dealer for the service. While the vehicle is being serviced, we get to look at the new cars in the show room, while sipping a cup of "flavored coffee". ---- Life is too short, so you have to "smell the roses" along the way.---- We get great service from the dealer, the service writer and the mechanics. We recognize their efforts "in some small way", and they never let us down when we need an emergency repair. During the holidays, my wife and I make it a point to bring a "bottle of cheer" to the service writer, our salesman, the business manager and the service manager. Yes, ----"what goes around, does come around"! When you are "nice" to people, they are "nice" to you. In addition, we also send a "thank you note" when the dealership goes "out of their way" to extend service. Naturally, everyone makes their own decisions when it comes to vehicle service. ----Just my opinion. -----Have a nice day. ---Greg
  • inkieinkie Member Posts: 281
    Touche! Can't argue with your last message.
  • tomw11tomw11 Member Posts: 6
    After many years of driving only GM cars I finally got tired of the beating I took at trade in time and just took delivery of an 04 Accord EX V6 sedan. This is a terrific car with lots of great features. There's a couple things I miss from my 2000 Intrigue: Auto on/off headlights and daytime running lights. Does anyone know of an aftermarket item that would do the same? I checked handa-accessories.com and didn't see anything.
  • gregoryc1gregoryc1 Member Posts: 764
    Lots of luck with your new "toy"! Forget the aftermarket items. Turn the headlights on and off yourself. Keep your vehicle all Honda! ----Just my opinion. -----Greg
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Hard to believe a car like the Accord does not have a simple feature like this. I've seen sub $15K cars that have it. All Accords have to have DRLs up here in Canada, guess honda saves a few bucks and doesn't install them down there like GM does.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Aren't DRLs required by Canadian law?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    yep. They have to be put in but they don't have to be used. They are a great safety feature though, honda should put them in US cars also.
  • bszetobszeto Member Posts: 24
    Hi all,

    I'm now a proud owner of an all-new 03 EX-V6 Accord (with no NAV - none available in Canada). Any things to look out for before driving the car off the lot?

    Dindak - how come the specifications at the Canadian Honda Accord website indicate that there is a headlight auto-off function. Where do you see otherwise?
  • dindakdindak Member Posts: 6,632
    Maybe it's available here, I don't know. The other guy said it wasn't on his car, that's where my comments were directed.
  • hansiennahansienna Member Posts: 2,312
    Signs at entrance read "Turn off headlights" at military bases within the USA.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    my opinion is skip the DRLs and go straight to requiring automatic headlights on all vehicles. i could care less if mine or anyone else's headlights are on in full sunshine. but i seriously hate it when you are driving at dusk or dawn when it's still pretty dark and run across some yahoo who thinks it's kewl to drive with no headlights on!
  • lelandhendrixlelandhendrix Member Posts: 240
    The Accord DOES HAVE automatic-off headlights. What it doesn't have is a sunlight sensor that automatically turns the headlights on at dusk.

    If you wanted, you could just leave them on. That way, lights are on when you need them, and turn off after you leave the car.

    I have never seen a car in the $15K range that features auto-on headlights. Very interested though if someone could tell me which ones?
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    03-up Accords starting from the 4-cyl LX have auto-off headlights per brochure and model features per Honda USA website.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    leland,

    yes i could leave the headlights on all the time, but then i'd have to keep adjusting the brightness of the dash lights...
  • hmurphyhmurphy Member Posts: 278
    ...here in Illinois. DRLs would be great, since it's practically Canada here! I do have to adjust the dash brightness once or twice a day, but it's not a big deal.

    I was initially bummed that the U.S. EX-V6's didn't have heated mirrors like the Canadian versions, but I've noticed that the mirrors never fog or ice up. Despite rain, snow, ice, etc. I've never had to clear them. All of my previous cars required some mirror scraping or wiping, so I'm grateful that these stay clear no matter what.
  • serendipserendip Member Posts: 60
    I thought the same thing - I wished we could get heated side mirrors in VT, especially since Honda says we need to follow the severe conditions schedule because "we're so close to Canada" - then give us the goodies, too!

    But, even in this horrific winter, it hasn't been a problem at all. I'm still keeping my fingers crossed, and am very pleasantly surprised.
  • joe2003joe2003 Member Posts: 5
    When I bought my 2003 EX-L manual, last spring, heated mirrors were one of my favorite features, I spent so many winters, swearing, while scraping ice off my mirrors. Well, it' s gonna be february tomorrow, we've had our share of bad weather, up here in Canada and I don't know if it's the design, but I have not turned on my heated mirrors, even once (I'm almost sad). The good thing is that you folks, down there, don't have to feel sorry because you don't have that feature.
  • ken972ken972 Member Posts: 162
    You guys just need some freezing rain. My mirrors have been iced up and had snow stuck on them. Makes me wonder what im doing wrong..Im in PA and would love to have heated mirrors.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    since you asked, all Toyota Corollas 2001 and 2002 had auto on/off headlamps with sunlight sensor. Mind you, ours has a terribly technologically impaired 3 speed mechanically controlled auto, but it has those trick headlights. Go figure. Stickered at like $14,100.

    ~alpha
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