Older Honda Accords

gwleong · June 2001

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has heard anything about the upcoming 2003 (or even 2002) Accords. Please post info or links.

Thanks!!

Gary
'98 EX-V6 4dr.

jjw00 · June 2001

I was in several dealerships in Chicagoland area over the weekend hammering a deal on an EX Coupe 4cyl ($22,640 sticker) but no one could find me silver. Best deal I found was $300 over invoice which disappointed me based on several posts I read here. I passed and now I see the financing offer is over. I'll probably wait now until another incentive (or the same) is offered. I heard production slowed; Honda does this I'm sure to keep inventories low and prices up. Anyone have .02 on the next promo or production ramp-up?
Txs

isellhondas · June 2001

First of all, they are not a "V" 4. V-4's havent been built in many years.

They are not underpowered, they do fine.

Not everybody cares about power windows or cruise control.

For they money, they are a lot of car.

People shouldn't knock other people for making a choice that pleases them.

Also, I see people buying cars everyday that they can't afford. They HAVE to have a sunroof, leather, alloys, rear spoiler, etc. They choke on car payments because they can't be practical enough to drive a car they can comfortably afford.

roberto, you bought a great car you'll enjoy!

raybear · June 2001

I also see a lot of people buying more car than they need. My only gripe is where's the Civic VP?

getz1 · June 2001

ral2167 · June 2001

i'll tell you who cares about power windows and cruise controls--- the honda dealer 3 years from now when you go to trade in the VP accord-- they'll say whoever buys a used accord expects power windows and cruise...

not everyone cares about having automatic tranny--but try trading in a 5 speed accord EX sedan-- see what kind of hit you take. 5 speeds are brutal come trade-in time....

my way of thinking--- the accord VP package may be attractive as far as price, but if your budget is in the $16,000 bracket, and you wanna buy an accord, i'd go with a used 99 or 00 model. am i nuts?

saxonii · June 2001

TO all those who pay 22.000 for basically the same car minus V6 power windows, c control. Hey if you have the money to burn then go ahead and spend the extra 8 grand. VP is a great value, period. For 16.000 you cannot beat it. As for power windows, the last time I checked I still had some muscle power to do it myself. Same goes for seat adjustment and other gadgets that some folks love to waste money on. Come on fellows, on the outside a 15 g Accord looks the same as your 22g Accord and lest you think it is a luxury automobile, it simply is not and leather seats will not make it that. You want to drive in style get the Acura or Benz. Honda Accord is just Honda Accord period. I love the car and I think more companies should offer a VP style of comfort without all the gadgets. As for trade in value. There are some people that actually look for cars that do not have 20 electrical engines, 5 computers and other useless stuff that sooner or later will go bad and cost a lot of $$$$ to fix. So enjoy your Accords V6 EX with everything. I will enjoy my VP and with the extra money saved on options, I will be going to Europe this summer instead of trying to come up with the next month payment. To each its own. Long live the VP. s for power issue 135 that VP produces is only 20 less than regular V4. Those people who buy V6, come on guys, you know you cannot touch real sports car with 200 hp. I know My formr var was a vette and trust me V6 aAccord might smoke a toyota Echo or most of V4 but do not even try to "attact" a real power car. It is funny how people that can hardly drive buy V6 and think they can be Indianpolis 500 drivers. Wake up.

jrct9454 · June 2001

These kinds of choices [power, engine, equipment] couldn't be more individual. It's fine to have your opinions about these matters, but it helps to offer the opinions with a dose of understanding that no one else has to share your priorities.

And for the umpteenth time, it is an inline 4 cyl engine, not a "V4". Euro Ford and Saab produced the last V4s quite some time ago...

And finally, 135 hp would make any current or past Camry 4 cyl owner ecstatic...all depends on your point of reference.

jmincher · June 2001

I have a 2001 EX-V6 Accord with 8,000 miles. So far my wife has really enjoyed the car but she has been complaining about a sunroof squeak. When its closed the rubber gasket squeaks and it is annoying.

The Honda Service Dept is about an hours drive away and I would like some info if anyone has any of fixing the problem.

Thanks in advance.

teknogeek9 · June 2001

Put some liquid silcone or WD-40 on a cloth and then apply a very light coat to the rubber gasket.
Hope this helps!

kc_flynn · June 2001

Who says that you should turn in your Accord after 3 years? To me, that's silly. Honda Accords are designed to last over 200,000 and a good 8-10 years (if not more) if properly taken care of. VPs are fine. An Accord is an Accord. Sure all the bells and whistles are nice, but all Accords are extremely reliable, whether it be a DX, VP LX, EX, LX V-6, etc.

I have two LX's (a 99 and an 01), both 5 speeds, and I have no interest in trading in either one til they're run into the ground - something I don't expect to happen for 10 years. By then, you won't get jack in a trade from the dealer, regardless of the car you buy.

steve05401 · June 2001

hi--

the engine immobilizer feature wasn't introduced until 2000 MY, i believe.

isellhondas · June 2001

Sure, an LX is going to be worth more at trade in time. No doubt about it. They also cost more when they were new. The five speed comments are accurate also. Most people hate them. A five speed will eliminate probably nine out of ten buyers.

But, like kc flynn says, none of this matters much for the person who keeps their cars forever.

It may be hard for some of you to believe, but for many people, a car is an appliance. It is not an extension of their ego. These people could care less about a sunroof, power windows or cruise control.

And, it's not necessarilly a money thing either, lots of folks write checks for these cars. They invest the money they saved by forgoing the options and may be smarter than the people who critized their decision.

ral2167 · June 2001

there's options and there's options....

air conditioning is not an option.... moonroofs are options...

power windows are not options.... spoilers are options....

you get my meaning-- if anyone buys an accord VP thinking they're going to keep it 10 years, i don't get it-- winding those window cranks will drive you batty within the first 7 years alone.

to paraphrase tammy wynette, i stand by my post

compulady · June 2001

I am very close to purchasing an accord coupe V6 EX. Are there any current deals on financing or incentives coming up? Were the past incentives on the V6 or only on the 4 cylinders?

Finally, can I have some help on pricing. I have read other posts regarding prices of 1-300 over invoice however, I would like to add mud flaps, spoiler and perhaps wheel locks. What have others paid for the accord with a similar package?

Thanks in advance for advice.

ral2167 · June 2001

well, i bought a v6 coupe lx a few months back....incentive then was 3.9% financing....not sure if that's still on....you can do without the spoiler.

michaelm11 · June 2001

I purchased a 1998 accord v6 coupe in April of this year and I love it. I previously owned a 1992 accord ex coupe (145,000). I am very impressed with the quickness and handling of this car. This is one to keep for a long time.

rls9 · June 2001

I bought an EX in February and I got the 3.9 financing...but I think it's over. I don't even remember them checking my credit, it seemed they were happy just to have my check for the down payment.
I got quotes from all of the Honda dealers in my area. One offered me 100 over invoice but I test drove the Accord at another dealership and built a relationship there (she offered me $400 over invoice initially). I told her that I wanted to buy my car from her but that I got an offer of $100 over invoice. She agreed to match that But I told her if I was going to buy a car from her she needed to do better than that.
So to make a long story longer, she started adding everything up. I live in Seattle and she said that every dealer in the area adds the mud flaps and wheel trim right off the truck because of all the rain we get (we really don't get that much), so I couldn't even get an Accord without those options. If she wanted my sale I offered to accept the deal if she gave me those things at cost and to throw in wheel locks. She agreed and I walked out not regretting my purchase and driving away in my beautiful car. So don't be afraid to deal. I didn't think I could do it but it was fun...
I realize that your situation is a little different but you never know!

mikefm58 · June 2001

For my personal choice, the LX is the best value for the money. The EX has too many bells & whistles I didn't want to pay for and I wanted options that the VP didn't have. We put a lot of miles on our vehicles so cruise control is a must. We have kids who constantly leave the windows open so power windows are a must.

I think the VP is an excellent value for people with different circumstance who are budget conscious and want the Accord.

However, someone please tell me why the 5-speed is popular. I've had several cars with manual transmissions and hated going through the gears, nothing but automatics for me.

canadiancl · June 2001

Honda has an official fix for the sunroof now. The dealer will apply a thin clear tape all around the edge of the roof opening. They did that to my Acura CL but I believe the squeak is a common problem with CLs and 1998+ Accords. The tape has eliminated about 99% of the noise. What a difference! If feels like the whole car is tighter.

eppy · June 2001

because manuals can get boring and manuals make the same engine feel more powerful.

I wouldn't get a 4 door Accord with a manual, but I want a coupe with one.

fxashun · June 2001

Is that there is less to break or go wrong. No Vtec no power windows no cruise...That car ought to run forever and a day. Just think that 2.3 has been around since it was a 2.2 in the 1990 to 1993 edition Accords. Look at how many of those are around now.
Also look at how many Civic DX's and Corolla DX's are sold. If you need an Accord sized car but don't care about "buttons" it's a great buy. Besides I love that non Vtec motor. Especially with a 5 speed. It doesn't feel as "peaky" as the vtec one.

firsttimeowner · June 2001

I got my Accord EX yesterday at $50 below invoice price with 3.9% financing. Honda just renewed its 3.9, 4.9, and 5.9% financing two days ago. Now, it seems that not too many people are willing to buy new cars, maybe because the economy. I shopped 3 dealers, and got offered the EX for invoice price from all of them. I am not sure about EX-V6 though. I suggest you go for the invoice price.

pbagrat · June 2001

Anyone have a good recommendation for a cleaner/conditioned for the dashboard other than armor all?

bobgordon · June 2001

I use ArmorAll interior polish. It doesnt have the intense shine that conventional ArmorAll has but it does have a lower luster. I find that it cleans well and it doesnt release the fumes that put a film on your windows. It comes in a black spray bottle. Hope this helps. Somebody might have a better product though.

jmincher · June 2001

I will try the WD-40 to stop the squeak on the sunroof and next time I am around my Honda dealer I will stop in for the fix.

Thanks again.

jmincher · June 2001

I got the windows tinted on the Accord a couple of weeks ago. I went for the darkest tint possible (limo tint) and I am pleased. The car is much cooler and looks better in my opinion.

Cost was $175 and it comes with a 3 year warranty.

chicago77bhawk · June 2001

I think I'm getting it at below invoice (100-200)

but the out the door price is 23,700.

Is that average? Or am I getting a good deal?

They've also added two year maintenance package which I was pleased with.

Wheel Locks...shouldn't get charged for those right?

I'm a rookie, first time buyer...but knew I could get it for invoice...please let me know, as I'll be going in to buy tomorrow morning...thanks!

microrepair · June 2001

Since WD-40 is an oil, it might actually deteriorate the rubber gaskets. You would be much better off using a silicone paste or grease. I have some of the grease that I used many years ago when working on hi-tech vacuum system as a joint sealant and I have used it successfully for the last 20 years on numerous rubber gaskets for squeaking problems. It will not damage anything and since it stays on the surface, it tends to last a long time too. You might be able to buy it in very small tubes. A little dab goes a long way..

chicago77bhawk · June 2001

I think I'm getting it at below invoice (100-200)

but the out the door price is 23,700.

Is that average? Or am I getting a good deal?

They've also added two year maintenance package which I was pleased with.

Wheel Locks...shouldn't get charged for those right?

I'm a rookie, first time buyer...but knew I could get it for invoice...please let me know, as I'll be going in to buy tomorrow morning...thanks!

ral2167 · June 2001

how do we know if you're getting a good deal if you give us the out the door price when we don't know your sales tax rate? ..... also, you're getting the 2 year maintenance free? or at invoice? quit screwing around and just tell us the cost of the car, then the cost of the options added (2 year maintenace, etc)--- and don't do that out the door stuff cause each state/county is different as far as tax rates.

chicago77bhawk · June 2001

I think I'm getting it at below invoice (100-200)

but the out the door price is 23,700.

Is that average? Or am I getting a good deal?

They've also added two year maintenance package which I was pleased with.

Wheel Locks...shouldn't get charged for those right?

I'm a rookie, first time buyer...but knew I could get it for invoice...please let me know, as I'll be going in to buy tomorrow morning...thanks!

ineto6 · June 2001

wheel locks are usually option, but you can haggle that into the deal easily. Try to get extras like all weather floor mats and trunk trays.

good luck chicago77bhawk

isellhondas · June 2001

Why shouldn't you be charged for wheel locks?

The dealer has to pay for them.

chicago77bhawk · June 2001

thanks for the posts...I'll see what I can do...

well, I mean dealers try to get you and say "we'll throw in mud flaps or floor mats", when they're just part of the car...

so don't think they're really losing any money by adding the wheel locks...or 'throwing them in'...cuz it's worth to throw in if it provides the sale for them....

sobers · June 2001

Whats the point in repeating the same post 3 times ? PLease delete those extra posts & for Gods sake don't give out the door price. Always talk about before tax/title/tag etc....

chicago77bhawk · June 2001

what do you mean repeat 3 times?

and why shouldn't I give 'out the door' prices?

that's the only safeguard for me against 'dealer' jipp offs...

so I want to know what people are paying for the car...after all the wheeling and dealing...

what's wrong with that? please elaborate.

robr2 · June 2001

3 times - your message got posted 3 times. Happens to plenty of people when they hit post my message repeatedly.

out the door price - what they are saying is that OTD price varies if you are including tax, title and fees. NH has no sales tax and Washington state has 9% I believe. That makes a huge difference. A $20K Accord in NH is $21800 in WA.

People are just asking for a little detail in order to answer your question.

hut · June 2001

I bought my V6 2001 about a week ago. The price is $22200, quite below the invoice. It was because of these reasons (I guess): (1) it was the end of the month (it was May 31, in fact). (2) The economy is slowing down. (3) I told the dealer that I was in favor of TL 3.2S over V6 Accord. (4) My dealer was eager to cut the deal (more eager than I do).

That price includes destination fee already, but before tas, which is only 3% here in VA.

That price does not include any addition to the base model. The basic is already quite good, in my opinion.

Good luck and I hope this helps.
Hut

har1bush · June 2001

Looks like 2002 is going to be a rough year for the Accord if Toyota and Nissan can keep their bread-and-butter Camry, Maxima and Altima prices competitive.... It looks like all three of those cars are getting major changes for '02 but I haven't heard anything from Honda to match them.

Camry i heard is getting a makeover and a new 220hp engine... Maxima's getting a makeover and 260 horses and the Altima's just an entirely new car w/ 240 horses

Plus there's the Hyundai XG300 that Motortrend ranked over the Accord. But the Accord still seems to be the best value b/c of the low price.

Here's a food for thought: How about a sport edition Accord w/ modified suspension, TL Type-S engine and a 6 speed manual? That'd be something... now only if Honda could do something about those tailights...

gary873 · June 2001

Hi everyone! I am new to this so please bear with me.

Just wanted to let anyone who is interested in buying a new Honda in the Triangle/Triad region of North Carolina know of our good experience.

We purchased a 2001 Honda Accord LX with AT/ABS/Side air bags at Crown Honda-Chapel Hill. We got the car for an out the door price of 19289. There were no hidden fees/advertising fees or the like. We had not seen the car on any of the local dealer lots, but Chapel Hill was willing to find the vehicle or order it to our specifications.

We did most (90%) of our communication over the internet and telephone. We only went to the dealer to arrange our financing, negotiate the trade-in and sign the papers. The car was exactly what we wanted (and exactly what they promised)! They even threw in floor mats, splash guards and pinstripe at no charge.

Our sales person, Michelle Boessen, was wonderful.

We wanted a good, reliable and affordable car. Driving the extra distance to Chapel Hill saved us at least a few thousand dollars. The local dealers could not beat the price and were only willing to sell the vehicles they had on the lot. Most of the dealers we spoke with were not interested in dealing with us further when we told them we were not looking for a comparably equipped EX.

So check them out. The extra time and energy you spend now may save you lots later!!

firsttimeowner · June 2001

Hello everyone, I need your help. I bought an Accord EX recently, and haven't bought the extended warranty yet. Is it really necessary to spend another $800 or more for such a reliable car? Where do I shop for the extended warranty? I checked "warranty direct" and "warrantybynet". They offer 6 to 7 years with 100k miles warranty about $850. Are these good deals? Are these companies good as what they claim? Thanks in advance.

fritz1224 · June 2001

I recently bought the honda extendacare 7yr/100k, 0 deductible plan for 925 on my 2k lx v6 w/22k miles. I also went thru the dilemma of whether or not to do it, I felt in the long run peace of mind is worth quite a bit. These are complicated machines and any one system could cost lots to repair. Just notice all the system checks those dash lights indicate and you can get an idea. And I plan on keeping this car as long as I can.
If you do decide on ESP, go with the Honda one. I think there will be less headaches getting things fixed since a Honda dealer will be doing the work. Plus, I also feel there won't be as much jerking around by the repair people since Honda is footing the bill.
And the warranty is transferable(with limitations) as well.

drmalik · June 2001

I am new on this discussion and need your help. I am planning to buy a 2001 Accord V6 EX 4DR. By reading earlier messages, it appears that the invoice price is a reasonable price for this car. Could any one kindly give me a reference to a dealership in and around Ann Arbor Michigan. And if you could also advise about the price for this car in Michigan.
Thanks

canadiancl · June 2001

FWIW, some dealer do throw them in free of charge as a matter of policy. I asked for them when I bought my CL-S, and the salesman said don't worry, they're already included. Having said that though, I don't think you need them for the alloys on the various Accord models. There are too many of them, the size is relatively small (15" - 16") and very common size and there is really nothing unique about the design to make them appealing to thieves.

firsttimeowner · June 2001

Thanks for the suggestion. I appreciate it. Could you tell me where I could get the Honda ESP? From the Honda dealer or somewhere else? Do you have more information about the coverage?

baker16 · June 2001

I bought mine from Howard Cooper in Ann Arbor. I paid $100 over invoice. Easiest car purchase I've ever made. I sent them an Email asking if the had a Signet Silver LX-V6 on hand and they replied that they did and they would sell it for $100 over invoice. No hassles at all and they all were very friendly. I'd give the name of my saleperson but she is no longer there. Please note: This purchase was for a 2000 LX-V6 Sedan back in April 2000. They had 6 LX-V6s on their lot along with lots of EXs and DXs. I don't know what their inventory is like now nor what kind of prices they're offering.

baker16 · June 2001

Forgot to mention ... Howard Coopers service department is suppose to be very good. That's second hand information though as I have not had the need to find out for myself

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drmalik · June 2001

Thanks for your response.

fritz1224 · June 2001

Any Honda dealer should be able to sell it, but they may try to push a third party one first, since there is a bigger profit margin. Also, if you have more than one Honda dealer in your area, price each one of them. I found prices ranging from over 1400 for the exact same plan.
Edmunds has a good article about ESP's but I couldn't tell you where to find it.
As far as coverage, it is basically an extension of the bumper to bumper coverage of the original 36mo/36k warranty(my interpretation) and excludes items normally requiring replacement(wiper blades, battery, brakes, rotors, exhaust, etc.) Towing service is provided as well as trip interruption costs(meals and lodging and rental fees, all with certain limitations).
Buying the ESP is a gamble and almost makes you want something to go wrong so you haven't wasted the money. But that's another story.

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