Older Honda Accords

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  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    my v6 coupe engine does turn over a bit longer than my other vehicles but starts just fine. only problems that have been troublesome with my car are come and go rattles...
  • skiatlskiatl Member Posts: 20
    I dont know if you would consider this a problem as much as a minor annoyance on the V6 5 speed auto. I notice a slight delay at shift points. I can feel it slowing down to make a turn, then giving it gas coming out of the turn, and driving it with a very light pressure on the accelerator. It seems that I have read about this slight lag time on another board. I just got the oil changed at the selling dealer, and they made mention of the tranny issue with the Pilot when I described my hesitation @ shift points on my Accord.

    Other than that one issue I really love my '04 coupe. I have 7500 miles on it and just made a 2000 mile trip, and the last tank of gas I got 32 mpg on the highway @ 75 mph.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    i can't say i've noticed any delay with shifting...except for when i shift from say reverse to drive which takes an inordinate amount of time compared to other vehicles i've owned/leased.

    anwyay i have noticed that the accord will hold a gear longer when cold...and does aggressively downshift while slowing down and even when going around a corner. sometimes it almost feels like i've put the brakes on when i hit the gas coming out of a corner. but, it's just the tranny jumping back down to 1st gear. i avoid this by going fast around corners... :)
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    "What the v6 doesn't have is the a/c air filtration system of the i4."

    Unless I'm misunderstanding your point, I think you might be mistaken on this one, Benny. I have a 2003 EX V6, and it has the micron air filter. I just checked it myself to verify.
  • dust90dust90 Member Posts: 169
    I also wondered when I saw that post, as I thought all the Accords had the micron air filter. I checked the brochures and it only shows on the I4 and LXV6. So, I went to garage & looked and sure enough, my 04 V6 coupe has the filter, right behind the glove box. Maybe a typo on the brochures? Or as it says in the fine print, "Equipment is subject to change without notice."
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Mea culpa on this one, and good catch folks. I obviously made a hasty (and wrong) conclusion based on the brochure/website "side-by-side" of the a/c systems on the Accord models.

    Evidently, as the brochure/website options checkbox show - in not getting the automatic a/c, one is still getting a manual system with an "air filtration system."

    And - getting the EX-L or EX v6, one is getting the "Dual Zone Auto Climate Control System."

    But there apparently wasn't enough space for "air filtration" after the Dual Zone...but all told, the EX v6 has it.

    Yup, there's clean air to be had with the EX v6s as well.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    The Camry and Accord with Side Impact airbags and head curtains were the ONLY two tested midsize inexpensive cars to earn a "Good" rating in the IIHS test for side impact crashes.

    Both the Camry and Accord without side impact airbags earned a "Poor" rating:
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    from the website:
    Top performers are Camry and Accord with side airbags: The Institute tested the Camry and Accord twice, with and without optional side airbags. (If a vehicle has side airbags as an option, the Institute's policy is to test the vehicle without the option. The manufacturer may request a second test with the optional airbags if it also reimburses the Institute for the cost of the vehicle.) In the tests of the Camry and Accord with side airbags, most injury measures for the front and rear passenger dummies were low. Both cars were equipped with side curtain airbags that deploy from the roof to protect people's heads plus torso airbags for the front-seat occupants.

    "The Camry and Accord with side airbags are the only good performers in this group of midsize cars," O'Neill says. "The structure of the Camry did a reasonably good job of minimizing intrusion into the occupant compartment, and the curtain airbag prevented the dummies' heads from being hit by any hard structures, including the intruding barrier. The structure of the Accord didn't hold up quite as well as the Camry's, but injury measures were low and the Accord also earns the highest rating of good. Neither of these vehicles was quite good enough to earn a ‘best pick' for side impact protection."
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  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    call me crazy but i'm not really wild about any conclusions that a consortium of car insurers comes up with...
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    But you're ok with the Goverment's NCAP program, which hasnt changed since 1978?

    I understand reservations, but when you look at the net effect of the IIHS testing- its safer cars. Personally, this test in particular is a bit dramatic, and one that basically any car without side head protection CANT pass. Still, both the Camry and Accord can pass with comparative flying colors when equipped with inflatable side impact protection. Further, this test illustrates the differences present in structural integrity, something the Goverments test does not do.

    Unless of course, you're of the anti- airbags, anti anti-lock brakes, to hell with safety camp, in which case thered be no reasoning with you.

    ~alpha
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    no, what i don't like about the private company doing it is they obviously have an agenda...and it isn't an agenda that will save us folks money. it only serves to help them make money...
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    How does lowering injury/death claim rates help them make money?

    If you're REALLY that concerned about money why not buy stock and benefit from the industry if you think its doing so well, with its intentions and all? OR EVEN BETTER, outsmart everyone, research the mfrs. of side airbag compents, and buy stock in those companies.

    ~alpha
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    I know we disagreed on whether SAB's were important before. Welllllll Now I have a 2 week old. I'm pleased as punch my 04 EX-L has SAB's. I'll never buy a car without em again.

    In the case of emale saying the test will cost us more money. Well I may have to agree. But it all depends on which side of the "more money" you want to be. Those without the SAB's will pay more insurance premiums with nothing in return. But those WITH them will pay a little more for the car but in return they will get a MUCH saer vehicle. I don't know about you, but I'll choose the bags.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    alpha,

    don't misunderstand me...i don't think what IIHS is doing is necessarily bad...but don't be confused with them doing this for your good. it's all about them maximizing their profits. and, it's veiled behind a concern for your safety...
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Ah, I see your point, thank you for the cordial clarification.

    I fully recognize that where the IIHS profit concerns lie, and this is where my view may differ from others. I dont care. The faster they force automakers to offer better safety equipment, in my opinion, the sooner consumers realize the benefit. Dont forget too, as automakers buy airbags and electronics en masse, economies of scale will be realized, prices will come down, and over time.. the technology will be enhanced as well. But none of that can happen until the ball gets rolling.

    A case in point, not relating to passive safety, but rather, active safety, is ABS. I'm not about to debate the benefits here, as I know people have varied opinions, but the pricing serves my point:

    In 1992, ABS was an $1130 option on Camry 4 cylinders. In 2004, its a $300 option, while also employing more sensors and channels. That doesnt even adjust prices for inflation.

    Hopefully, I've done a decent job trying to explain my stance. Thanks for the convo, emale.

    ~alpha

    PS- Congratulations on the new baby, gee. Much health and happiness to your family.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    yeah, what you said makes sense...however i would say i'd like to see competition between automakers be the force behind changes that improve safety...instead of it coming from the folks that keep charging me more and more for coverage...even when i've got a clean record...

    peace
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Well, the good news about the Accord is that Honda's safety improvement program kicks in for the 2005 model year. That's when side curtain airbags become standard in all Accords.

    And I'm happy that my 2003 has them.
  • clint98v6atclint98v6at Member Posts: 54
    Try Sylvania Silverstars. I've had mine for about a year. Much brighter "white" light. I think they were about $20-$30 a piece.
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    test drove Camry, Mazda6 and Accord. The Mazda6 was far and away the most entertaining car, but my very petite wife could not get comfy and ended up with a backache in the Mazda, my personal 1st choice.

    We will be pulling the trigger on an EX-V6, everything but NAV, and I wanted to know if there's anything I need to worry about. I had heard issues with automatic transmissions, but is this still the case with the 5-speed auto in the 04?
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    slorenzen,

    i think you'll find the accord a decent car but make sure you like an involving ride. imo, it rides more firmly than both the mazda and camry. as for the tranny...since honda is still having problems with the 5 speed auto in the pilot, mdx and ody...i would not be at all surprised if similar problems show up with the accord 5 speed auto once more of them pile on the miles. but i don't think you should let that sway you one way or the other...
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Member Posts: 3,387
    One thing that I'm confident of is if Honda finds a problem inherent in the design of any of its products they are rather proactive in finding a solution. Even if the vehicles are out of warranty.
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    actually, we drove the Mazda, and went directly over to the Honda dealer, and my wife and I both thought the accord was smoother(the 6 had 17" tires, the Accord had 16").
    Plus, the Honda V6 has noticeably more grunt from a stoplight, and was quieter(less road noise). Here in Oregon, studded tires are still legal, and they go a great job of chewing up the roads.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    slorenzen,

    i think i read somewhere that the '04 accord's ride was softened a bit from the '03. i was comparing '03 accord to '03 mazda...
  • blackexv6blackexv6 Member Posts: 503
    Does anyone know if this is true? If so can the dealer modify my '03 suspension? This would make me think twice about selling the car next year. The ride is unbearable.
  • blaneblane Member Posts: 2,017
    blackexv6:

    I believe that slorenzen was misinformed. I don't believe that such suspension mods ever took place. Most owners wouldn't wish to give up the fine handling and road feel. Otherwise they would have opted for a Camry.

    If "The ride is unbearable." you might consider purchasing one of the old 70's or '80s land yachts such as a Buick or Cadillac. They should have mushy-enough suspensions.
  • alpha01alpha01 Member Posts: 4,747
    Chill out.

    ~alpha
  • slorenzenslorenzen Member Posts: 694
    My description was by the seat of my pants. The EX-V6 was softer than the Mazda6, and of course the handling limit was lower as well, but the Accord seems like a higher-quality product that will be easier to live with day to day(plus, it fit my wife without any drama). So far the lowest intenet quote i've received is $23,814.00 for the EX-V6, including the lip spoiler on the trunk and a pinstripe. License, doc fees and a 4-year tag adds $218.00

    Is this a decent price?
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    blane,

    i didn't say the ride has become buick-like with the '04 accord. just read somewhere (can't remember where) that it had been tweaked for '04. i haven't driven an '04 so i can't give a seat of the pants observation...

    blackexv6,

    i seriously doubt the dealer would or could do anything. i guess you could go test drive an '04 and see if you notice a difference...
  • atlantabennyatlantabenny Member Posts: 735
    Consider this: ride quality, and firmness in particular, is defined by the tires all the way to the seats and everything between.

    Has anyone noticed how firm the 7th gen Accord's seats are ? Would the "ride" improve if the seats were a tad more compliant ?

    The Benz's seats, for example, are matched to the suspension ("...we have matched seating and wheel suspension to suit all speeds and road conditions..." http://www.m-100.org/6point3/brochure/ ). That caption refers to a 1960s Benz !

    All to say that Honda may tweak the "seat tuning" just a bit to deliver a better ride.

    My 2 cents...
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    My '04 Accord does ride harder than the Camry LE I tested before choosing the Accord--the Camry was too mushy and I prefer a tighter ride.

    The tires on the new Accord were a few pounds over-inflated and I didn't bother to let air out--tires lose air gradually anyway and they're probably at proper inflation now that the car is a few months old.

    After 2100 miles I think the ride has smoothed out and I like it the way it is. For people who demand a cushy ride, the Accord is not for them. For those of us who like a firm, sportier ride, the Accord is ideal.......Richard
  • garygary Member Posts: 39
    Just wondering about the following about a 98 Accord EXV6 sedan:

    1. How much should a timing belt change cost?

    2. At what mileage should the change be done? (I've heard 60K is the recommended change...but is it really necessary or could it wait?)

    Thanks in advance!!

    Gary
  • bd21bd21 Member Posts: 437
    Read your owner's manual that came with your car. Under the maintenance schedual it will tell you exactly when to change it and if you even have one. It will run you about $500 give or take a $100. Prices very at every dealer, so shop around. And yes you can ignore the mileage recommendation as long as you have an extra few thousand dollars for the engine rebuild when it breaks.
  • snarkssnarks Member Posts: 207
    Your Timing Belt I believe change interval is either 90k or 105k but also 7 years whichever comes first. Check your manual if you have it. The 60k is a likely a ploy by a dealer or mechanic to get some extra profitable work. The Honda engineers know what they are doing, make sure to use OEM Honda parts if an independant mechanic.
  • clint98v6atclint98v6at Member Posts: 54
    Timing belt replacement on the 98 EX V6 is 105K. Many recommend replacing the water pump at the same time since it is easily accessible during the timing belt change.
  • musicboymusicboy Member Posts: 66
    My Accord 04 LX delivered a hard ride at first. When I finally got around to checking the tire air pressure I discovered they were over inflated. Setting them to the correct pressure softened the ride.

    atlantabenny> Has anyone noticed how firm the
    atlantabenny> 7th gen Accord's seats are ?

    I noticed that as well. Over time I'm hoping for a little more "give" from them.
  • sbbsbb Member Posts: 10
    I just bought an amazing v6 ex sedan with navigation/leather/xm, new 2004 model.

    A fwe questions:
    1. Is there a quick 'turn off' button for the nav screen? I run the audio from the steering wheel, so I do not think I need the screen on all the time. I want it to be black. If I don't touch the screen at startup, it turns black after a while, but is there a quick way to force it off?

    2. In AUTO mode on climate control does the a/c compressor always stay on, or does it come on and off according to temp? In the older ls400 and the e-class, the compressor would stay on even if you needed heat. Anyone know if this is the case with the accord?

    3. My car was bought with 85 miles, but still had the plastic sheets on the outside. Is that mileage irrevelant for long term?

    4. My steering veers slightly right, so i keep the wheel very slightly left to go straight. Thoughts?

    5. I did not buy the extended warranty, is it necessary or too late for this?

    You guys are the best. i LOVE this car.
  • proeproe Member Posts: 157
    Hi,
       I would not worry about the miles. It is more to do with emotional concern, meaning someone has driven your "New car" without asking you.
       With power steering, you do not need to worry about if the steering wheel is off a little bit. This is what I have experienced. If you go into a turn a little too fast, you will need to turn the steering wheel all the way, and the steering wheel will be off a little bit, but as you drive more, it always comes back. To test if there is any alignment issue is to drive straight for a while then let go your hand to see if the car goes to any specific direction. And, even when you have a little alignment problem, as long as you do not really need to muscle the steering wheel, I would not worry about it at all.
       The repair and maintance for Honda is not very expensive under normal driving conditions, so buying a extensive warranty does not make that much of difference. However, if your driving conditions require frequent repair and maintance, I would suggest you to get one. Also, you should find out what is covered in extensive warranty. You still can get one if you need to.

    Good luck.
  • mikeysoftmikeysoft Member Posts: 63
    1. On the Nav system, press the "Setup" button, then press "display off" or something like that on the screen.
     
    2. I think the AC goes on and off depending on temp but not sure. I usually turn it off when not needed.
     
    3. My 03 Accord with Nav came with 1 miles on the odometer and 1.9 on the trip meters. I wanted a manual transmission so I had to wait for one to come in with Nav.
     
    5. I did not get an extended warranty and think it is a waste of money but that is up to you.
  • spunjornospunjorno Member Posts: 45
    Once upon a time, I remember reading in one of these forums, where to buy discounted genuine Honda brake pads online without going to the dealer and paying top dollar. And now I can't find the posting. I want to use OEM pads. Anybody (not affiliated with the place you're recommending) have good suggestions? I did a search and found it confusing as to which is OEM pads and which is after market, because "genuine" and "original" don't seem to mean anything. Phone calls revealed that both terms were used even when referring to aftermarket parts.

    And hopefully someone can answer this quickly, since I'm starting to hear concerning noises when braking -- oops.
  • chucko3chucko3 Member Posts: 793
    I bought parts for my 89 Accord on-line here.
    http://www.honda-auto-parts-wholesale.com
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Low tire pressure can cause the veer you report - wouldn't hurt to make sure your tire pressure is correct all around.
  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    why would you turn the AC off when not needed?

    the whole point of automatic climate control is to set the temperature and forget about it. it even knows when to defrost. heck, for the 04 model year the car has solar loading and now it even knows to adjust for the position of the sun.

    the only thing i do is press the rear defroster when needed.
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    venus,

    turning off the a/c can save a little on fuel. plus i like to tool around with the windows open and there's no need for the a/c to run then...
  • richards38richards38 Member Posts: 606
    I drive very little--use my car only every 10 days to 2 weeks. I've made it a habit over the years to always turn on the AC for a few minutes whenever I drive to keep the seals from drying--that used to happen on cars many years ago and I assume it's still a consideration.

    Should I turn on the AC separately or just use the AUTO setting?--I have the '04 EX-L Accord with the automatic climate control. So, I guess my question is whether using the AUTO setting runs the AC enough to keep its seals from drying and leaking over time.

    Thanks for any info on this.....Richard
  • emaleemale Member Posts: 1,380
    richard,

    as long as temps are above about 40 degrees F the a/c compressor will cyle on/off when in auto mode. one would think that would be enough to keep the seals from drying out.

    when it's not too warm i like to hit the auto button and then immediately the a/c button. that way i get full automatic except the a/c won't cycle on/off.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,698
    "the whole point of automatic climate control is to set the temperature and forget about it. it even knows when to defrost."

    How does the HVAC system know when to defrost?
    CAn someone explain that to me?

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • blackexv6blackexv6 Member Posts: 503
    My suggestion is to take a Lexus IS300 or Camry SE for a test drive you will see what I mean. Both of these cars have sporty handling without noise & ride compromise. Do you really think that a person who is considering an Accord would buy a Buick?

    The bottom line is that Honda Accord would jump from #2 and beat #1 Camry in sales if they worked on the ride quality. Everyone knows that the selling point between the Accord and Camry is the ride. I guess my opinion agrees with the majority.

    Here is a question for all of the Accord owners out there: Why is the Accord #2 in sales and not #1?
  • whitecloud1whitecloud1 Member Posts: 268
    I have no idea why Accord is #2 behind Camry. I only know which one I prefer. If I wanted 4 doors, why settle for Camry in the Toyota line?
    Why not Avalon? I've driven both Accord and Camry.
    I found both reliable and with both there are different levels of comfort and value. Why does it matter? I do think that Accord is designed with American taste in mind more so than the Camry. You mention Lexus. That's an example of what I'm talking about. Lexus is still a Toyota and you're not going to compare a Lexus to a Camry or an LX Accord, even one with a V6.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    Personally, I don't care if the Accord is #1 or #2, as long as it continues to sell well. And since the Camry already caters to the "softer ride, less dynamic handling" market, let's keep something for those of us who prefer a firmer ride and better handling. We really don't need 2 "Camry-esque" cars out there.

    And although I haven't driven an IS300 for a while, so I don't remember that much about it, I have driven a Camry SE, and IMO, the Accord handles better. Even the SE has the Camry's characteristic "too light, kinda numb, family car" steering.

    We all have different likes and standards, and you obviously have every right to your opinion. However, for the rest of us, I have to wonder how a car whose ride you describe as "unbearable" managed to get the same subjective rating for its ride as the Camry from those mavens of car comfort, Consumer Reports. They describe the Accord's ride as firm yet absorbent, and supple and controlled on bumpy roads. As for noise, they describe the cabin as very quiet, with a bit more road noise than Passat and Camry. Again, they gave it the same subjective rating (very good) as the Camry in the noise category. Firmer? Yes. Unbearable? You may think so, but CR and many Accord owners disagree, myself included. I find the ride/handling balance on the Accord to be just about perfect for its intended mission.

    I guess I would suggest to you that you trade your Accord in for one of the other cars that you seem to prefer, rather than expecting that Honda change the Accord, which has built its reputation for sportier ride/handling, to suit your personal preferences. You have plenty of other options besides Accord. And personally, I would be very disappointed if Honda made the changes in the Accord that you suggest they make.
  • 1997montez341997montez34 Member Posts: 202
    The reason the Camry "outsells" the Accord is that Toyota sells a good number of Camrys to rental car fleets, while Honda does not. But more actual private consumers spend their own money on the Accord.
  • justinjustin Member Posts: 1,918
    i test drove the Accord, Camry, Passat, and Mazda6 before i bought the Accord. didn't consider Altima (yuck) or Galant. the Camry was "tippy" feeling in corners to me, yet soft on straight aways. the Passat was perfect, but having been burned by VW, couldn't get my arms around another VW. the Accord and Mazda6 were almost the same, with the Accord having lighter steering. they both corner quite well, very precise, with the steering feel edge going to the Mazda, but as far as capabilities, they seemed the same.

    i picked the Honda for other reasons. better interior/exterior, more features, nicer engine, better price, and in my mind anyway, better reliability.

    none of the top midsize sedans have awful rides in my opinion.
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