Older Honda Accords

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  • rbell2rbell2 Member Posts: 180
    I just bought a '98 Accord EX (4-cyl), auto, with leather. It had 42,000 miles and I judged it to be in excellent condition (slight discoloration on top portion of door interior, a few paint nicks - otherwise, spotless). This was a one-owner trade-in with no wrecks. The car was reconditioned with new tires (all fluids replaced, 4 new brake pads, etc.) and deemed a "Honda Certified Used Car." After about 1 month behind the wheel, I have been very pleased - just wish it was a little quieter at 75mph and had a little better stereo. With a 7-Yr 100,000 mile warranty I paid $16,900 plus tax/tag/title. Does this look like a decent deal?
  • shepherd5shepherd5 Member Posts: 35
    i had the rear brakes on my ex v6 replaced at about 33k. i asked the dealer the same questions two people did in late june -- why rear brakes wear out faster than front (still 70% when rear was 20%). his explanation seems logical -- the rear brakes are one-third the size of the front ones. thus, the cost of replacement is also less for the rear compared to the front. i think i got mine replaced for about $100 -- a bargain compared to the tires -- i had to replace one (screw puncture on sidewall) $165 installed at costco.
  • conrad12conrad12 Member Posts: 6
    Can anybody else confirm that there will be a 2.5 liter engine in the 2002 Accord? Does anybody have any other info? Thanks.
  • stevepakestevepake Member Posts: 21
    The Model Year (MY) 2002 Accord will still be based on the current Accord (6th Generation) design and will be released this fall.


    The following information on the 2002 Accord is from: http://www.vtec.net/news/items/694.html

     VTEC.net is a Honda/Acura specific website and is usually very accurate and has all of the inside information:


    2002 ACCORD

    New Colour: Noble Green


    LX SPECIAL EDITION:keyless entry and security, heated seats, power sunroof, wood print trim, cassette/single CD unit, leather wrapped steering wheel (our LX models comes with the VTEC engines, alloys and ABS)

    -anticipating a $1000 to $1500 increase in MSRP


    LX V6 4DR SPECIAL EDTION:same as above with alloy wheels

    -anticipating a $1500 to $2000 increase


    ~~end VTEC.net news clip~~

    **************


    2003 Accord Information.


    The 2003 Accord will be released in the Fall of 2002 and will be a complete redesign (7th Generation Accord).


    There isn't any "official" information out yet, but the 4-cyl engine is likely to be the 2.4L iVTEC engnie that will debut in the 2002 CR-V with 160HP and 165 lb-ft torque.


    V6 info is unclear, but the 2002 Altima will be available with a 240HP V6, and Honda brass of North America have hinted that they're not about to let Nissan win a horsepower race, so there could possibly be some serious horsepower increases in the Accord line, but Honda is often very secretive about their true intentions so who knows.


    A 5-spd automatic, or SportShift tranny from the Acura line is unlikely, as this would cannibalize Acura sales, so it's believe that the standard 4-spd automatic will remain. And with the CL-S receiving a 6-spd manual transmission, this same transmission could find it's way into the 2003 Accord V6 - the first time the Accord V6 would be offered with a manual transmission. The Acura TL/CL and Accord V6 engines are all based on the same engine design, so it would be easy for Honda to take the 6-spd from the CL-S and make it available in the Accord V6.

  • venus537venus537 Member Posts: 1,443
    The 2002 Accord will be the same as the current Accord except for maybe some different colors. The Accord will not be redesigned until model year 2003 (Fall of 2002). I don't think anybody knows at this time (except tight lipped Honda engineers) what size the new four cylinder will be. My guess would be a 2.4L/2.5L with about 160 bhp while the V6 staying at 3.0L with 220 bhp. With a new Altima and Camry coming this fall, you should be able to get a great deal on an Accord this Fall.

    I was writing the above paragraph before I saw post #1657. I basically came up with the same info. Amazing. We must be right.
  • stevepakestevepake Member Posts: 21
    The Honda Accord has previously been on a 4-year redesign cycle, so you would have 4-years of a certain generation of Accord and then after that you'd have the next generation. So the previous 5th Generation Accord ran from 94-97.

    But Honda execs of North America have confirmed that they've now moved the Accord to a 5-YEAR redesign cycle and this will include the current 6th Generation Accord, so the Accord that's out right now will run from 98-02, and **NOT** 98-01 as on the 4-year schedule. The schedule is 5 years now, so there will not be an all-new Accord this fall for the 2002 model year.

    So expect some Special Edition Accord's for MY2002 this Fall that are still based on the current generation, and then the NEXT ALL NEW Accord in the Fall of 2002 as a MY2003 car.
  • stevepakestevepake Member Posts: 21
    Honda execs have stated that ALL HONDA's will have the newest version of VTEC (variable valve timing) called "i-VTEC" by 2005. That said...

    The 2003 Accord is likely to receive the engine that's going into the 2002 CR-V, which is a 2.4L i-VTEC I4 with 160HP and 165 lb-ft torque. This engine is based off of the same engine block design in the current Accord and would require minimal re-engineering for Honda to put this into the next Accord in 2003, so it's believe that this engine will be the next 4-cylinder powerplant.

    As for the V6, Nissan's Altima is moving up to compete with the Accord and Camry and will be available with a 240HP V6. Honda execs have hinted that they won't let Nissan win a horsepower race, but at the same time they won't want to cannibalize Acura TL/CL sales by making the Accord "too powerful."

    The next-generation (5th gen) Camry will be released this fall as a 2002 model and is rumored to have a 3.0L V6 with variable valve timing (VVT-i or VVTL-i in Toyota-speak) with 220HP.

    And the just-released 2001.5 "new" Passat is keeping its existing 190HP 2.8L V6 for now.

    These cars are the Accord's primary competition. The Maxima is moving upscale a bit to compete with the Toyota Avalon, so it's sort of out of the picture in the "family sedan" market.

    With all of this said, I believe that the next-generation Accord V6 will KEEP the existing engine design but with power tweaked to 215HP.

    Honda has an experimental version of the Accord V6's current engine for an experimental wagon design for Europe, and that engine is the same as the current Accord V6 3.0L engine only with the compression ratio tweaked from 9.4:1 to 10.0:1 to give the extra power. Honda also very carefully tuned this engine so that you would NOT need to put premium fuel in it so that you could continue to put cheap 87 octane fuel in.

    Honda's current Accord V6 engine is the ONLY import V6 that does NOT require premium fuel, and this gives that engine a hand over the premium-sucking competition, and it's a big reason I bought an Accord V6 because I drive 30,000 miles per year, and $0.30/gal premiums for premium add up very quickly.

    So I think the next V6 in the Accord will be based on the current design, but tweaked to 215HP with a compression ratio bump and still allowing the use of cheap regular unleaded fuel.

    But to keep with the call for i-VTEC in all Honda's by 2005, I suspect that Honda will redesign the head of this engine with i-VTEC, and this might give a few more horsepower as well, and you might see this right at the 2003 Accord launch, or maybe a model year or two in, but definitely by 2005.

    We'll see....
  • bolivarbolivar Member Posts: 2,316
    Yea, really wishing I could get those heated outside mirrors on an Accord. And also heated front seats.

    It was 102F today......

    And, for USED HONDA BUYER.... since you've already bought the car, why ask if you 'got a good deal'. It's too late. You are just abusing yourself.
  • conrad12conrad12 Member Posts: 6
    Thanks for all the great information. That was really helpful.
  • rls9rls9 Member Posts: 9
    I own a 2001 EX 4 cyl (purchased in Feb. '01) and I have read the service bulletin "Thump at Cold Start". However, I get the thump everytime I start the car (My normal day is a start once in the morning and once in the afternoon and occasionaly once or twice in the evening). In the 'Diagnosis' area of the service bulletin it tells the technician to 'disregard' this particular bulletin if the thump happens at every start. Has anyone gone to the dealer with this problem and received a resolution?
    Thanks for the help....
  • bimmer4mebimmer4me Member Posts: 266
    It doesn't necessarily have to be a cold start in the morning...the symtoms can occur if your car has been sitting for a few hours or more. This is what the service bulletin reads. I have my Accord at the dealer today for this easy fix. I will keep you posted.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    I have a CL-S and it has this same "problem", so I don't think it is only on 4 cylinder auto cars.
    However, I asked my dealer about it and they said it's normal.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    It's not normal. It means the vacuum to the motor mount in front is not arriving in the right amount or at the right time. See if you can get a printout of the Honda TSB and present same to your Acura guy - a savvy tech should have no trouble making the connection; the fix is an easy one, assuming yours is not some other, unrelated problem....
  • bimmer4mebimmer4me Member Posts: 266
    Applies to 1998-01 Accord L4-All with A/T and cruise control

    Thump at Cold Start

    SYMPTOM
    A thump as the ignition switch is released from the start position or as the engine starts. This noise sounds similar to a rubber mallet striking the frame and occurs on a cold start (the vehicle has been sitting for sometime, usually overnight).

    PROBABLE CAUSE
    The Vacuum actuated engine mount does not work properly because of insufficient intake manifold vacuum tank at start-up.

    CORRECTIVE ACTION
    To increase vacuum, reroute the vacuum hose for the engine mount solenoid valve to the cruise control tank.

    This message is verbatim per the Service Bulletin faxed to me from Honda of America.
  • firsttimeownerfirsttimeowner Member Posts: 12
    Since I bought my Accord (2001 EX auto) last month, I noticed that there was an extra sound (noise??) when I started my car. It comes and goes. Most of time, it happens at the first time I start my car during the day. I am not sure whether I am experiencing "thump at cold start". Any thoughts about my situation? Do all Accord EXs have "thump at cold start"? What would this problem do to the car if it is not fixed? If I want to get a fix, do I have to go the dealer where I bought the car or any Honda dealers can do the job? Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    Yes, that sounds like the problem; any dealer can solve it, just reference the TSB [but you will often get faster service from the selling dealer, though this is by no means universal]; it is not an EX vs LX question; no, not all cars have the problem; why not just take it in and get it looked at?
  • amz997amz997 Member Posts: 61
    I bought an ex last month and even my car makes some noises when I first start.

    The sound is close to the sound that comes when you change CD in the changer.
  • talon95talon95 Member Posts: 1,110
    What you describe sounds like the ABS initializing... if that's what it is, it's normal.
  • picenopiceno Member Posts: 55
  • picenopiceno Member Posts: 55
    Hi everyone.....last week I almost had an accident with my 2000 Accord EX V6. I had to break
    really hard. The pavement was dry, it was not raining, and it was a hot day. When I hit the
    brakes, my ABS kicked in and I felt the very
    quick successive thumps of the ABS system stopping the car. But I'm confused...I thought
    that this only happened in winter, on icy &
    slippery roads. Perhaps I'm not understanding the concept behind ABS. Can someone explain?
  • daysailerdaysailer Member Posts: 720
    The ABS will operate under ANY condition that will cause a wheel to slide, which can include dry pavement if you are braking agressively. The ABS doesn't "know" the condition of the pavement, only that a wheel has ceased to rotate.
  • picenopiceno Member Posts: 55
    Thanks for an infomative answer....I now know more about ABS.

    Aren't these discussion forums helpful?

    PICENO
  • airlifterairlifter Member Posts: 3
    This may have been asked before, but being new here (don't really have time to read 1600 previous messages), will a manual be offered in the future w/ the V6? I'm getting rid of the Ford in the fall of '02, looking for reliability (125K miles on the 98 Contour) and the V6 Accord is my first choice, even if only offered with the auto. But a possible manual transmission offering anywhere in the future will definitely adjust my purchase timeframe.
  • stevepakestevepake Member Posts: 21
    Acura is making a 6-spd manual transmission available for the CL-S, and maybe the TL-S too depending on market research and market demands.

    Since the Accord's V6 is based on the same engine block design it would be very easy for Honda to take this transmission and make it available in the next-generation Accord in MY2003.

    It's been confirmed that the Honda Prelude is being discontinued, so Honda will have a spot open for a high-performance coupe. It's rumored that the next-gen Accord Coupe will fill this role, and if that happens then hopefully a stick shift will be made available. I hope they make a stick shift available for the sedan version, also.
  • bongskybongsky Member Posts: 2
    First time Town Hall user, first time Accord owner. They always say Honda's are well built. I have a 94 4-dr Accord 4-cyl engine. I have 168,760 miles on it. The engine has started to go bad on me. One mechanic suggested that I need to have the engine replaced. I feel I should be able to drive this car longer without a major repair like this one. OR am I just asking too much for this car? That the car has outlived itself or is ready for pasteur? Any thoughts on this is greatly appreciated.
  • canadianclcanadiancl Member Posts: 1,078
    Lots of Hondas have surpassed 168,000+ miles. Did the mechanic elaborate on what exactly has gone bad, and why it could not be repaired? I would at least get a second opinion elsewhere.
  • ral2167ral2167 Member Posts: 791
    get rid of the 94 accord -- it's an 8 year old car-- sure some engines last a lot longer-- who's to tell how you've been treating and abusing it-- either get a 2001 accord, or wait a few months for the 2002 camry or altima.... you're driving a 94 -- you deserve newer.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...when the complaint is that the engine is gone at 160K+ miles! Yeah, some will go farther, but what do you want, already? I can think of several million car owners who would be ecstatic at the prospect of getting those kinds of miles out of a new car.
  • fxashunfxashun Member Posts: 747
    That's a pretty low mileage for a Honda. I just bought a 1993 with 138K that runs like a champ. Timing belt and Syntec and I may run this thing to 200K easy.
  • smartmonkeysmartmonkey Member Posts: 6
    I read many post mentioned about this "thump at cold start". I check my car (accord2001 EX), it also has this problem. I am wondering how severe it is, or if I would have an effect on the life of the engine. Any input would be very appreciate...
  • pmarvinpmarvin Member Posts: 25
    Bongsky's '94 has only 169k on it. Don't I wish! My '91 has 381,800 on it as I speak, and tomorrow I leave for Chihuahua and will put another about 700 miles on it before I return on Wed. Yes, I would be interested in what is going bad and how the car has been maintained.
  • wesyangwesyang Member Posts: 32
    I am planning to buy a 96 Accord LX. Any common problems with 96 LX model?
    I test-drive it, engine seems not very strong when driving up hill. Also the car is noise comparing with Camry. Is this common to all 96 model?
    Also, 96 LX doesn't have the keyless entry. Can I upgrade this from dealer or somewhere else? what will the the cost? Thanks.
  • ral2167ral2167 Member Posts: 791
    i'm thinking of buying one of those cd writers to be installed on my computer to make music cd's, and i was wondering if the accord radio has any problem playing these cd's? i have a 2001 accord lx v6. if any of you can recommend a brand of cd writer (sony? philips?), that you used and then the honda radio was able to play, i'd appreciate you replying either here or via my email... thanks.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    ...the thump at cold start is the engine mount, and is going to have absolutely no effect on the life of the engine, or much of anything else, except your peace and quiet when the engine starts.

    Look, the engine mount in question is designed to be "flexible", that is it can get harder or softer depending on torque being applied. To measure how it is supposed to respond, it has a vacuum connection to the engine. It is this connection that is wrong in the cars with the problem, resulting in the mount doing the "wrong thing" at startup [probably going to "full hard" when it ought to be at "full soft"]. This is an aesthetic problem, not a reliability issue. But the fix is any easy one, so why not get in line at your friendly local and get it done?
  • bimmer4mebimmer4me Member Posts: 266
    The only reason I'm having it fixed it's under warranty and the noise bothers me. I'm a nit picky son of a *****. The day I took my car in it sat for 8 1/2 hours and I get a call from the service advisor "we have to order the part" no sh**t Sherlock! You should have these parts in stock...I live in So. Cal and Honda dealers are plentiful here...go figure. Another visit back to the dealer...yeah!
  • hbund216hbund216 Member Posts: 162
    ral2167
    My 2000 plays recorded CDs just fine. The 2001 should not have a problem. I have not tried playing re-writable CDs yet. I use a HP 9100 writer but the writer brand should not matter.

    wesyang
    You can upgrade it installing an alarm on it. Get an estimate from a good alarm shop since the cost depends on the alarm system you get. I don't know if Honda has a kit for it or not.
  • amz997amz997 Member Posts: 61
    My 01 Ex plays recorded cd's.
  • sevvsevv Member Posts: 4
    Could someone please tell me how to turn off the service engine light. In my previous car (95 Integra) there was a blue button under the dash to shut it off. I do all my own maintence, so I do not want this light blazing for many years. Thanks for your help!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    I'm going to have to listen for this "thump". Maybe it's something I've heard and ignored.

    I'm the kind of person that would probably dismiss this as a normal sound of the car.

    Funny since I'm usually pretty aware of things.

    In any event, it sounds like it's no big deal and easy to fix.
  • bimmer4mebimmer4me Member Posts: 266
    I've dealt with this issue and the owners manual will guide you through the steps. I can't recall exactly how it's accomplished but I remember it to be easy, I just don't have the time at the moment to look at the manual. I hope this is of some help.
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    I too thought I answered this same question several posts back, but it might have been on another board. Regardless, as pointed out above, the process for resetting the light is clearly spelled out in the owners' manual.

    I found the original posted answer...go to post 1587 on this board...
  • dkrabdkrab Member Posts: 77
    I had a 96 accord before it got stolen. It's not as quiet as a Camry, but it handles better. Things to look out for:

    Most Important is the balance shaft seals. They should have a retainer clip installed to prevent them from coming out as spewing all the engine oil. Make sure it's been done on your prospective car, or have it done right away if you buy it. If you can, get the seller to get it done. If he's the original owner, they should not charge him for the work.

    A rare and benign problem is a crack in the engine block on the front drivers side where the exhaust manifold bracket bolts to it. It sounds serious, but it isn't. You can tell if it is cracked because you will see a trail of oil coming from the underside of the boss where the manifold bracket bolts up. The fix these days is JB Weld in the crack. Sounds hokey, but it's legit.

    I can't think of anything else unique to Honda to look out for. Good Luck!
  • qualityguyqualityguy Member Posts: 101
    If anybody can help me out here - I have problem starting my car after it sits in the sun for a while. Starter is doing it's best, it feels like the engine catches up, but it doesn't. Then after a while, it starts. But the problem gets worse. Please help!!!
  • wesyangwesyang Member Posts: 32
    Thanks hbund216 and dkrab for your input. It really helps. One more short question. Where is the balance shift seal?
  • johnp19johnp19 Member Posts: 2
    I purchased a 2001 Accord EX-V6 in April in Florida. I now have under 4000 miles on it. It is a beautiful car, but steers like a truck. Is this usual for Honda Accords? I also have a 87 Legend which is a breeze making turns. Am I just spoiled by the Legend as far as the steering goes?
  • comboycomboy Member Posts: 8
    Just wondering, where did your car get stolen? Are there any preventive measures (special alarms, The Club, etc) that you would recommend now? Just wondering how any of us might be able to keep ours from getting stolen, too.
  • mjb56mjb56 Member Posts: 170
    I've had my 2001 Accord V-6 EX sedan for just over 2 months with less than 2000 mi on it. I noticed that the lower plastic piece covering the door pillar had a bunch of marks on it. They apparently come from the seat belt latch hitting it when you release the belt. I can't believe that this material is that easily marked and can't imagine what it's going to look like in 3-4 years. Has anyone else had this problem? I also notice that the paint is scratched very easily. What's the problem there? Thin clear coat? I'm wondering if this can be polished out. Opinions are appreciated. Thanks
  • jrct9454jrct9454 Member Posts: 2,363
    I simply have to disgree. I think the paint is excellent, no easier to damage than our recent Mercedes or Toyotas. I don't know what you're doing to deface the plastic on the pillar - we have 4500 miles on ours and it looks fine...it helps not to just let the belt slap up there at full force, I guess, but it's still hard for me to picture what's going on as you describe the damage. What little wear I see on ours seems much more likely to have been caused by contact with clothing [jeans rivets ?] or jewelry [watch band ?]when getting in and out than the seat belt...
  • bryhoganbryhogan Member Posts: 23
    Anybody have any experience with having after-market power doorlocks or cruise control installed? I was just quoted $700 to have it done by a group that the dealership uses. (They claim it won't void the manufacturer warranty and comes with a 3-year warranty itself.)

    FYI: This will take my total outlay for the VP to $16,100. (Paid $15,400 for one without air bags.) IMHO, this is A LOT of value for the money.

    Thanks in advance.
  • fritz1224fritz1224 Member Posts: 398
    Does anybody else have the problem of the seatbelts getting bound in the guide. The natural motion when removing seatbelt seems to put a twist in it that makes it bind in the guide and thus not fully retract.
    A conscious effort to feed the seatbelt into the guide is necessary to avoid the partial retraction. Eventually, the unretracted belt will get caught between the door frame and door panel when closed and possibly damage the panel or the belt buckle or both.
    Most times after my wife drives I'll find the belt dangling half retracted. She still can't remember to be more conscious of this design problem. Of course, I really don't think she should have to if it worked like it should.
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