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  • mod62mod62 Member Posts: 38
    I justed wanted to be the one to get 4,000!
  • dman11dman11 Member Posts: 3
    To remove the front license plate, it looks like it also removes a two foot strip of the front bumper. Is that right or am I missing something? Anybody know the part number for a replacement strip without the license plate frame?
  • tigger33tigger33 Member Posts: 14
    A few weeks after I place my order (and while the web site was still showing my car as "order received"), I decided to splurge and get the upgraded DSP stereo. However, when I called my dealer, they told me that my car was at stage 151 and that I could not add anything at this point. Is the DSP that comes with the 530 available in the aftermarket, and who would install, the dealer?
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Hmmm, well, I have only managed about 700 miles on it since the 23rd of May. In that time, I have been able to drive it on many of the same roads that I used to frequent in my 328i, so I have a number of observations that are relative to how my E46 behaved in similar circumstances.

    1) The 530i is faster than the 328i at virtually all speeds.
    2) Given that my 530i is equipped with SP and the 328i was not, I have noticed that the 5er is substantially better in the twisties and in fast transients.
    3) The 530i is so quiet that it is difficult to shift smoothly by ear, even when the audio system is turned off. The 328i only had that problem when the audio system was too loud.
    4) Even though the official measurements don't show it (officially, the E39 5-Series has only 0.1" more legroom than the E46 3-Series), the 530i is a much larger car, both inside and out.
    5) If anything, the steering is even better (both heavier and more communicative) on the 530i than the 328i.
    6) My wife is always cold, the dual climate control rocks!
    7) The premium DSP audio system totally blows the HK system of the 3-Series away. Of course, one would hope so for the extra $1,200 in cost.
    8) The Type 42 Composite II two-piece wheels of the 530i SP have been rated as one of the two best looking wheels on the 5-Series over on the Bimmer.org boards. What they did not say was that these wheels are a total pain in my hindquarters to clean and polish (hopefully the Klasse application will help).
    9) With the non-SP 328i, I was able to cause the DSC with relative ease by accelerating around a corner, no so the 530i SP, where I really need to stand on it to get the DSC to light up.
    10) With the extra power of the 530i, SP wheels and tires not withstanding, if I make a full RPM shift from first to second, I can break loose the rear tires enough to cause the DSC to cut the fuel to the engine, which makes for a very wierd sensation. On the 328i (tuned for more low end torque and less high end HP) I was barely able to chirp the rear tires, even though I had narrow(er) All-Season tires on the rear.
    12) I cannot think of any other car (other than the 911) that in its seventh year of production (sixth model year) that looks as fresh and exciting to peoples eyes that I get non-stop compliments on it. Oddly enough, my 328i was one of the first around (I leased it in January 1999), and I never got anywhere near as many compliments on it as I do on the 530i. Go figure.
    13) If BMW does end up totally hosing the E60 5-Series, I could EASILY see myself keeping this car until the E60 replacement comes along.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bluewater5bluewater5 Member Posts: 55
    Still 2 weeks till my ED pickup. Boy, this has been a long wait...

    But, it gives me time to overplan the trip. With 4 of us in Europe for 2.5 weeks, I am worried about fitting luggage in the trunk, one of the few weak points of this car.

    So, what are the dimensions of the 5 series trunk? I know the size is "11.1 cubit feet", but will this fit 4 suitcases (2 30" and 2 26")? Anyone know height, width, depth? Thanks for any feedback.
  • bluewater5bluewater5 Member Posts: 55
    The "DSP" sound upgrade is quite extensive, much more than a processor chip, including speakers, amps, and receiver. A post-delivery upgrade to the BMW DSP system is probably not the way to go, and I doubt you would find a dealer that would consider it.

    I also ordered the standard stereo. This is probably easier to after-market upgrade than the DSP system. After I get some time with it, I might consider a sub-woofer and amp upgrade. bimmer.org might give you some hints. Also, talk to a quality installer. If you feel handy, Crutchfield might be a place to order components.
  • dl7265dl7265 Member Posts: 1,381
    i seem to have misplaced the article but the Carolina plant is going to make all cars orders "adjustable " up to the last minute' although that is only x5 and z3 for now. But its their #1 priority acording to the article, now if we could get that individual option program available for US spec cars would be nice.

    Michelin: id steer clear of the lower segment of tires , they make the most awful "tire slap" road noise ive ever heard. i think one poster on tirerack.com said the Michelins on the Volvo sounded and road like a "bucket of rocks".

    and city vehicle's get LOW BID ala firestone NON speed rated *sigh*

    DL
  • musafirmusafir Member Posts: 27
    I am currently in the process of finalizing my financing with BMW for ED lease, can someone tell me what the current rates are? Thanks in advance for your help.
  • cmr530icmr530i Member Posts: 278
    The piece,I believe, is called a bumper guard. It is about 1 1/2 feet long and I think this may be the part number: 51-11-7-005-985. It cost me about $25, however it comes only in primer condition and needs to be painted to match your car's color. You may have to pay anywhere from $60-$100 to get it painted. The license holder pops out easily with gentle prying at the seam (space between the guards) The new guard just pops into the space. I ordered the part and had it painted through my dealer, then when the piece was ready, they installed it in seconds. I am hanging on to the original license holder just in case I'll ever need it. Hope this helps. IMO I think the front of the 5 looks so much better without the plate holder.
  • musher2musher2 Member Posts: 23
    Given the similarity in our recent BMW history (I, too, am upgrading from a '3' to a '5'), I'm pretty pysched after reading your comments. Like you, my 3[23] doesn't have SP, but the 530 will. It sounds like the SP is well worth the bucks. Bring on the winding roads! I don't even have to worry about the seasonal limitations of the performance tires, as I already bought a second set of alloy rims and Blizzaks for the 323, so I'm set for winter.

    I'm also glad to hear that the 530 feels like a noticeably larger car. Size was one of my main motivations for the change as I've been struggling with the cramped back seat of the '3', particularly when I have to move the drivers seat up to accommodate even average sized people that occasionally sit behind me.

    And to top it off, it sounds like the audio upgrade in the '5' is a step up from the HK upgrade in the '3'. Can't wait to light it up with Garcia, Gilmour and my other favorites.

    Now I just have to be patient. The website shows an estimated production date of Friday 6/14, which should mean delivery in mid to late July. If my car is, in fact, built this Friday, I hope that old bromide about not buying a Detroit-built car manufactured on a Monday or a Friday doesn't apply to the esteemed workforce in Bavaria! Perhaps, like me, they do their best work on Friday 'cause they're in a great mood anticipating the weekend!

    And finally, unlike my wait for the 323 two years ago, at least I'm driving a Bimmer while waiting for my baby to arrive. Could be worse (I had a small rental Mazda last time, having just returned to the US carless from an expat stint in Singapore).
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    bluewater5... Why not just go down to your local BMW dealer and measure? Or better yet, bring along the luggage and suitcases you'll use and see what all will fit. Guessin' dealer will have a new or used 5 Series on the lot and let you look over the trunk. That way you'll get a good idea of what all will fit.

    Keep in mind that the 5 Series uses the good multi-link hinges that do NOT take up interior space. Unlike many cars with supposedly roomier trunks, those that have gooseneck hinges can be a real pain to load as you have to load around where the hinges will go. If you can cram it into the 5's trunk, you'll be able to shut the trunk lid without a worry.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    I just happened to have my tape measure out today to measure some gardens, so, I did my trunk.

    Width of trunk, by rear seats: 35"
    Width of trunk behind fenders: 42"
    Width of trunk over batterybox: 48"
    Depth of trunk: 43"
    Height of trunk, under speaker deck: 15"
    Height of trunk under trunk lid: 18"

    I hope this helps. I know that just for my wife and myself, we pretty much filled the trunk. Of course, if I had backed her stuff for her, we probably would not have even filled half of the trunk. ;-)

    Good luck on your trip.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Musher2,

    Congratulations on your new 5er, I am absolutely sure you are going to fall in love with the 530i. A couple of points: I am not completely positive that the offset between the 323i and the 530i is the same, you might want to call Tirerack to confirm this, you might need spacers so that you winter wheels don’t rub on the brake calipers.

    “And to top it off, it sounds like the audio upgrade in the '5' is a step up from the HK upgrade in the '3'. Can't wait to light it up with Garcia, Gilmour and my other favorites.” Yup, the first CD I played in my 530i was Dark Side of the Moon, Time just totally blew me away.

    When you got your 323i you were driving a Mazda, ouch, I at least had a VR6 Passat before my 328i. That said, I did European Delivery on my 530i two weeks prior to the lease end of the 328i, so I drove the 530i, then went back to the 328i, for a week, then to the family MiniVan for three weeks prior to the U.S. delivery of the 5er.

    Hang in there until delivery, and good luck.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bluewater5bluewater5 Member Posts: 55
    Riez: That is probably the practical thing to do, but I was reluctant to go back to my local dealer after not being there after he insisted that ED could not be discounted.

    Shipo: Thanks for the data. At worst, we might throw a duffel in the middle rear seat that could double as an armrest. I'll have to limit my daughters and wife. They are old enough where we would get complaints if we picked out what they should bring.
  • metmdxmetmdx Member Posts: 270
    Can anyone shed light on the subject of garnering more H/P out of 5 series engine w/auto trans by upgrading engine and/or transmission computer chip? Also is there some air filter that when utilized will marginally increase H/P?
    TIA, again,
    metmdx
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Traditionally Dinan has been the premier BMW tuner for aftermarket tweeking and other goodies. In the old days (pre 1999), Dinan was able to "Chip" a BMW and it would instantly develop greater horsepower. However, with the new adaptive software built into every BMW, the folks at Dinan have this to say:

    “For the first time in nearly 20 years, BMW has provided the driving enthusiast with all of the power that can be mustered as a result of engine management tuning. BMW detonation control systems, high speed engine management computers and sophisticated ‘adaptations’ have left no horsepower for we tuners to extract; as much as we hate to admit it!”

    They do go on to say that their chip will bump the top speed governor, remove the 128 top speed restriction and change the throttle curve for the Drive-By-Wire system, so that your car will “Feel” faster.

    IMHO, if somebody is selling a "Chip" to give 1999 or later BMWs more horsepower, I would say they were selling "Snake Oil". ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    Some people claim small gains in HP with various less restrictive air filters, air intake, and exhaust mods. Not huge gains, but together they might add up to 5 percent increase (depending upon the set up). Sometimes come with added noise.

    You can spend more on a "hot" performance cam set up.

    Chip can increase top speed.

    Quaife, Dinan, or other limited slip differential can help you transfer power more efficiently to the drive wheels. A valuable performance aid, esp. if accelerating in corners & curves.

    Getting tires that are optimized for performance, rather than noise or ride control, can help with power delivery.

    Big thing now for increasing power seems to be aftermarket supercharing. For about $4-6,000 you might add upwards of 30 percent more HP. Seeing it mentioned more and more in Roundel and Bimmer magazines. I wouldn't recommend it with an automatic tranny.
  • bbald1bbald1 Member Posts: 2
    I am interested in applying a full set of X-Pel protectors on my new Alpine White 530i. I am curious if anyone has installed a hood set yet and how it affects the aesthetics of the hood line. The hood protector looks as if it extends a good distance up the hood. Any thoughts or experience out there?

    P.S. As a former Lincoln LS-8 owner, this car rocks. As my Mama said, "Don't judge a book by its cover."
  • bluewater5bluewater5 Member Posts: 55
    I have not used X-Pel, but the web site does note that it can be seen at close distance on "stark white" cars. Given how thin it is, it should not impact the line of the hood but instead cause a slight color change where applied.
  • snagielsnagiel Member Posts: 750
    Yes, I've installed the Xpel system, and have been happy with its performance (no paint chips yet). On a white car, I'd think it'd be extremely difficult to see the Xpel layer (even at the edge), but then again it would be tough to see paint chips as well.

    As for the aesthetics on my car (Toledo Blue), the edge of the film is noticeable from certain angles, but it's not that blatant, nor is it that unappealing. It's certainly far better than a series of ugly paint chips or a regular bra.

    If you're installing yourself, be sure to ask XPel for the free installation video when ordering, and set aside plenty of time (for the whole set, probably 4-6 hours) for the task. Be patient, and watch the video and read the instructions carefully.
  • pap5pap5 Member Posts: 144
    I feel your pain. When we picked up our ED 530i last year, my wife, 11-year-old daughter, and I brought along 21, 25, and 29 in. bags (guess who had the smallest one), and assorted carry ons, for 20 days of touring. They all fit in the trunk, but barely. As we picked up literature and souvenirs, we kept them in small bags to fit into the nooks and crannies.

    Following the advice of a friend, we were determined to keep everything out of sight in the trunk while the car was parked. One day during a visit to France's Loire Valley (we duplicated his itinerary) a few years ago with his wife, teenage stepson, and son's friend, the boys left their backpacks on the back seat of the rental car while they explored a chateau. When they returned, the car had been broken into and the backpacks stolen. You may want to reconsider leaving a duffel visible in the back.
  • div2div2 Member Posts: 2,580
    The best bang for your buck will be a Conforti Shark Injector: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/detail_frame.asp?product_id=INJ2-M41

    BMW intake and exhaust systems are pretty well optimized already so you'd be very lucky to pick up much more than 10-15 hp with any intake or exhaust mods.
  • mod62mod62 Member Posts: 38
    I am considering a lease on a 525i with the equipment noted below. Please help with confirmation of invoice pricing.

    Also, I remember reading that one of the contributors on this board had a spread sheet for calculating lease prices. Where can I acquire?

    Invoice:
    525 5-speed: - 33,520
    60/40 split - 430
    Premium Package - 2,910
    Sport Package - 1,820
    Cold Weather - 545
    Destination Charge - 645
    Advertising Fee - 0
    DMV - ?
    Total - 39,870

    Would the $1,500 over invoice that I have heard suggested exclude or include the Destination Charge? What would the luxury tax be on the above car? Is the luxury tax calculated on cost of car including sales tax?

    What would I save if I went ED?
    Also, what is the current money factor and residual? When will this change?

    What could I expect to pay for a 36 mth lease, no money down and 15,000 miles for the above car?

    Thanks for the assistance.
  • metmdxmetmdx Member Posts: 270
    Once again the resident "experts" on this board have provided invaluable information.
    Can't thank you enough!
    regards,
    metmdx
  • bmwluverbmwluver Member Posts: 11
    Just returned from a trip to Switzerland in my Euro-Delivery 530. Have wondered for years why the Germans almost always have manual transmissions in their cars. Had assumed it was for cost savings in purchase price and gas. However, after driving 400 miles up and down the steep grades in Switzerland, I saw the limitations of my auto even with Steptronic. I had always had rentals before in Switzerland with
    manual shifts. The auto is a bit scary on the grades. It just keeps rolling downhill and requires constant monitoring. I never felt secure with it even after considerable practice with the Steptronic. Thank god for the super BMW braking system. Ah, but, on the autobahns Big Blue Water Metallic redeemed itself and I felt very secure. But I'd still go with the auto for most US urban situations. Also noted there are not nearly as many Swiss driving BMWs as there are those driving Audis and various Japanese 4-wheel-drive machines. Even without snow after experiencing some of the steep grades I'd be reluctant to go BMW if I lived in the Alpes.
  • metmdxmetmdx Member Posts: 270
    Can anyone give me recent figures of above invoice/below list on their purchase of a 530? I'm thinking 530 w/auto,pp,xenons, lumbar. MSRP approx 45.5. We're talking metro NY/NJ/CT.
    as always,
    tia,
    metmdx
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    I just lease an ED 530i from Park Avenue BMW in Maywood, NJ for $1,500 over ED invoice. My salesman, Mike Weber, has said that he would allow anybody to match that deal, a promise that he has come through on at least twice. That said, I do not know if he would be willing to do the same deal on a domestic delivery car. You might want to give him a call, you never know.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • rlowrierlowrie Member Posts: 30
    Curious if anyone has heard what changes may be in store for the 2003 MY. I know the "big" change will be following sometime late next year or early 2004 but didn't know if minor tweaks or updates were in store for 2003. Also, when would you expect BMW to stop taking 2002 ED orders and switch to 2003?
  • snagielsnagiel Member Posts: 750
    Since it'll be the last production year for the E39, I wouldn't expect anything major for the 5 series. It already received a minor facelift in 2001, so I'm guessing the only change on the exterior will be an upgrade from low beam xenon headlight option to a bi-xenon (low beam and high beam) option, which has already happened on European 5-series. On the interior, we should finally see a Sirius satellite radio option. There may also be a couple of color changes, and maybe some package re-shuffling.

    As for the model year change, '03 production starts in August, if memory serves. Hence, if you place an order with your dealer in late June, they may have an available production slot in early August.
  • lee81lee81 Member Posts: 1
    What is everyone on this august board using to clean/polish the wood trim on the premium package? I've got a few slight scratches I'd like to get rid of.

    Thanks much.

    Lee
  • love2skicarlove2skicar Member Posts: 23
    Hi folks, just picked up new 540 auto (non sport) last night. It was driven (not trucked) from Connecticut up to my local dealer from Connecticut and came with 130 miles on it (which I was surprised by) but otherwise perfect.

    It's hard to find, let alone test drive, all the 5 series cars 525,530,540 in auto/manual, sport/non-sport versions. Now that I have done so, here are my impressions for anyone who is interested.

    I got a 540 auto, non-sport because of my unique situation; I live in Boston and the roads are just unbearable with traffic, bumps and potholes. I had a 911 5 speed for 5 years and as great a car as that was, it was simply not enjoyable day to day in traffic with it's finicky clutch and getting bounced around on low profile tires. Also I got married and my wife needs to drive the car so an auto means one less issue between us! I went with the 540 vs. a 530 because I was used to a very powerful car in the Porsche, especially love to drive 90+mph on long trips up hills in New England etc. Also, I am very fortunate that my company leased the car so the extra $7K (options adjusted over the 530) cost was not a significant consideration.

    That said, if I lived somewhere with decent roads and paid for the car myself, I would definitely get a 530 5 speed. The 530 has ample acceleration, is somewhat lighter, and the steering (R&P vs. recirculating) definitely feels more responsive to me. I would get the 5 speed because a car like this just asks for it. I have already instinctively reached to downshift my auto in frustration several times (unlike the 530, everyone who is interested in the 540 should know that the non-sport version of the 540 does NOT come with Steptronic. That is only available on the sport version of the 540, why I don't know.)

    I drove the 530 and 540 in the the sport and non sport versions. The sports felt and looked great except on the bumps around town which were clearly pronounced especially to passengers. I would make the sport decision on where you drive. A $500 new rim is not for everyone and I bent a couple of them on my 911 around here.

    I would also say that for many people who don't drive that fast, the 525 had plenty of power and is a great value. In fact, we drove one without looking and thought it was a 530 until we hit the highway and noticed a slight difference in the 40MPH + acceleration.

    Other impressions:

    Upgraded stereo and DSP; i absolutely notice a difference and feel it was worth it to me. Despite BMW's reputation in this area, the stereo seems just fine compared to Lexus I was considering.

    The only slight disappointment so far is that compared to my friend's 540 6speed sport with 10K miles, my new car feels more cumbersome than I expected. It decelerates faster when you take your foot off the gas and the steering requires more effort. Part of this is certainly due to the auto vs. manual, but I also hope it loosens up a bit over time as the engine and other components break in.

    Everything else is very positive. Steel gray is beautiful and practical to keep clean. The car is very quiet, comfortable and tight. It does 90 mph at very low RPM and has plenty left; there is no real justification for why I would need any more than that.

    Hope that helps someone, thanks to everyone who guided me on the selection to date.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,497
    congrats on your new car!

    Interesting there is no steptronic on the 540iA non-sport. WHat is there, just PRND4321 and no side gate?

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • love2skicarlove2skicar Member Posts: 23
    Yes, the 540 auto non sport has only PRND4321, no side gate. Fortunately I saw one before I ordered mine so my expectations were accurate because it is really not that obvious in the literature and both salespeople were unclear.
  • joseph40joseph40 Member Posts: 17
    I just purchased a new 530i with the sport package and I am considering changing to an 18" wheel. For those of you who have made a similar change, can you tell any difference in ride quality. I do not plan to stagger the tires and will have 235/40s all around. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    Thought I read somewhere that Canadian 540iA uses the Steptronic. It keeps the 2.82:1 final drive in the 540i6/540iA non-Sport. All due to US Federal EPA. Way they test manumatics causes a drop in EPA mileage estimate. The US 540iA Sport gets the Steptronic and a "hotter" 3.15:1 final drive.
  • stl540stl540 Member Posts: 67
    I found the exact match for the car I was pursuing on a dealer’s lot. It was a new arrival. I was looking for a Jet Black 2002 540iA, SP, CWP, premium stereo, rear sunshade. The car also had the upgraded M wheels already on it, and was happy with the upgrade. I purchased it for $2500 over invoice. I did the negotiation over the phone. I did not want to wait up to 8 weeks to order one (call me impatient) and there were no others in the area. I was pleased with the price. I am not happy with the taxes I must pay ($1300 gas guzzler, ~$400 luxury, ~$4000 sales tax), but I must do it.

    I now have 2100 miles on it and absolutely love it. I am happy to be out of the break-in period. It was very difficult to keep the RPMs and speed under the recommended level because of the quiet passenger compartment. I found myself at 90+ many times without even noticing the speed.

    I did not get the 6-speed because my wife plans to periodically drive it and she was not keen on the manual. The next best thing to the 6-speed is the Steptronic. I love to use the Steptronic rather than the normal auto. The engine has a perfect growl especially as the RPMs increase.

    I chose the 540i over the 530i specifically for the extra horses and torque. It is hard to beat the power of the smooth V8 in the 540. I chose the SP for a few reasons. I love the Steptronic, deep dish wheels (17x8 front, 17x9 rear), tighter suspension for excellent handling, the black trim around the windows, etc (rather than chrome), and the sport seats. The overall experience of the car is amazing. I am also very impressed with the premium stereo (as well I should for $1200). The stereo is very clear and crisp.

    My daily commute is ~45 miles roundtrip, with a couple two lane curvy roads (need to watch the cops-already got a ticket!) and Interstate. This car makes the commute an enjoyable one!

    I have a friend with an E430 and another friend with an A6. Both made comments that they would like to trade ‘up’ to the BMW. Both are very nice cars, but not quite the level of the 540i SP.

    Any comments regarding the recommended oil changes on a BMW? This is my first BMW and I am shocked at the recommended oil change intervals (12K-15K). I purchased the car and plan to keep it for 5-7 years. I want to make sure it runs the same (or better) in 5-7 years as it does today. I am familiar with the normal domestic and Japanese recommended oil changes of 3K to 5K. What about the lifetime automatic tranny fluid? Something else I have not heard of.
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    stl540... Congrats on your magnificent car. Maybe you'll see my black 540i6 some day on the interstate. They are truly joys to drive, hard & fast and for long distances!

    You should subscribe to Bimmer magazine. Also, join BMW CCA to get parts discounts and their wonderful magazine, Roundel. Tons of great tech tips and more.

    Both Roundel and Bimmer have published extensively on their concerns about the lack of durability in modern ZF and GM automatics. Too high a percentage fail in the 80,000-120,000 mile range. Doesn't seem to be much anyone can do, even if you try to go aggressive on preventive maintenance. They seem to think it is a design issue. They have mentioned the supposed lifetime sealed tranny as an issue.
  • stl540stl540 Member Posts: 67
    I found the exact match for the car I was pursuing on a dealer’s lot. It was a new arrival. I was looking for a Jet Black 2002 540iA, SP, CWP, premium stereo, rear sunshade. The car also had the upgraded M wheels already on it, and was happy with the upgrade. I purchased it for $2500 over invoice. I did the negotiation over the phone. I did not want to wait up to 8 weeks to order one (call me impatient) and there were no others in the area. I was pleased with the price. I am not happy with the taxes I must pay ($1300 gas guzzler, ~$400 luxury, ~$4000 sales tax), but I must do it.

    I now have 2100 miles on it and absolutely love it. I am happy to be out of the break-in period. It was very difficult to keep the RPMs and speed under the recommended level because of the quiet passenger compartment. I found myself at 90+ many times without even noticing the speed.

    I did not get the 6-speed because my wife plans to periodically drive it and she was not keen on the manual. The next best thing to the 6-speed is the Steptronic. I love to use the Steptronic rather than the normal auto. The engine has a perfect growl especially as the RPMs increase.

    I chose the 540i over the 530i specifically for the extra horses and torque. It is hard to beat the power of the smooth V8 in the 540. I chose the SP for a few reasons. I love the Steptronic, deep dish wheels (17x8 front, 17x9 rear), tighter suspension for excellent handling, the black trim around the windows, etc (rather than chrome), and the sport seats. The overall experience of the car is amazing. I am also very impressed with the premium stereo (as well I should for $1200). The stereo is very clear and crisp.

    My daily commute is ~45 miles roundtrip, with a couple two lane curvy roads (need to watch the cops-already got a ticket!) and Interstate. This car makes the commute an enjoyable one!

    I have a friend with an E430 and another friend with an A6. Both made comments that they would like to trade ‘up’ to the BMW. Both are very nice cars, but not quite the level of the 540i SP.

    Any comments regarding the recommended oil changes on a BMW? This is my first BMW and I am shocked at the recommended oil change intervals (12K-15K). I purchased the car and plan to keep it for 5-7 years. I want to make sure it runs the same (or better) in 5-7 years as it does today. I am familiar with the normal domestic and Japanese recommended oil changes of 3K to 5K. What about the lifetime automatic tranny fluid? Something else I have not heard of.
  • stl540stl540 Member Posts: 67
    riez...Thanks for the info. I just went to BMWCCA.com and joined.
  • love2skicarlove2skicar Member Posts: 23
    I left out one more consideration between the models which is the axle ratio difference between the sport and non sport 540s. To my knowledge this is the only model where the sport has a different ratio. According to an earlier post, this difference doesn't seem to influence the ultimate top end or 0-100 type of times that much. However, it does seem to make a difference in drivability with the sport version feeling significantly peppier on initial acceleration.

    The transmission difference is also the reason you pay the gas guzzler on the 540 sport but not on the 540 non sport. Be careful, the dealer I went to tried to charge me gas guzzler tax intitially on my non sport until I mentioned it.

    I should also add that if gas is a consideration the 540 is not optimal. My car only has a few hundred miles on it now but the computer shows it has is averaging 14 MPG and half of that was on the highway!! I hope that will get a lot better on break in.
  • riezriez Member Posts: 2,361
    love2skicar... What speed(s) are you driving on the interstate? My '98 540i6 with about 62,000 miles gets about 25 mpg at 74 mph with cruise control on interstate. She'll go almost 500 miles on a tank of gasoline. I've found mine to be a magnificent highway cruiser. For example, this week I've got 3 business trips in mine. I'll put on about 700 miles. She eats up highway miles effortlessly. Efficient and effective. Turns over about 2,100 RPMs at 74 mph.

    In America, the 540iA Sport uses the 3.15:1 final drive versus the 2.82:1 in the 540iA non-Sport (& 540i6). This helps the 540iA Sport out accelerate the non-Sport (esp. in 0-30 mph and 0-60 mph times). Doesn't effect top speed as all are electronically limited below their maximum top speed. Does cause it to rev a bit higher in any gear and thus reduce fuel economy.

    stl540... How many RPMs does your 540iA Sport turn over at 55 mph, 65 mph, 75 mph, 85 mph, and 100 mph? (What tires--size and brand--does she have?)
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Member Posts: 17,497
    stl540...Congrats on your new car!

    For those of you who seem to be concerned with the fuel efficiency of your V8 Powered ~$60,000 car, I hope it is for practicality reasons (You drive far and don't want to stop for gas every so often or only want to fill up maybe once a week if it is a commuter car) and not because you paid this much for a car and are angry at the price of gas:)

    Relax...I'm just having some fun here in the AM:)

    Enjoy your 540s (plural), they're beautiful cars which I aspire to own one day.

    2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2025 Camry SE AWD

  • bimmer12bimmer12 Member Posts: 72
    First of all, I would like to thank all of you for your valuable contributions. I would like to put one issue to rest and I've seen it arise over and over... Can you give me your final thoughts about the sport package on the 530i? I am drawn to it based on the aesthetically pleasing 17" BBS wheels and the M-steering wheel and the minimal benefits added with the sport-tuned suspension. My questions are:
    1) Is it worth it?
    2) With snow tires, will this perform well in winter conditions?
    3) Is the ride noticably harsh?
    4) Should I just get the replica wheels??

    Decisions, Decisions.....
  • bimmer12bimmer12 Member Posts: 72
    When I tally up the price of a loaded 530i, it enters the $49k (retail)range... Is an "modestly-equipped" 540ia no sport package with the extra horses worth it? Are there any concessions available on the the 540i? Can I get a deal on it and is it better than the popular 530i?
  • wolfxwolfx Member Posts: 72
    is it the consensus here that the rear is so ugly, that you'd actually be moved to buy another brand? Or, are you willing to swallow your aesthetic sensibilities when you sit inside the car and forget about that nasty rear end?

    I currently drive a 330Ci now, but with kids on the way in a few years, I was planning to upgrade to a 5 series... until I saw the rear of a 745i. I dont know, I honestly dont think I can purchase a car if I cant fall in love with its appearance. Maybe things will change... Maybe it will grow on me... but then, the boxy obtrusive Volvo rear-design has never grown on me (and thats exactly what I think this new rear looks like).
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    I just upgraded from a 328i without SP to a 530i with SP, and here are my recommendations regarding your questions:

    1) Yes, may be the single most cost justifiable option on the car.
    2) Yes, my 328i with All-Seasons performed quite nicely, the 530i with Winter tires should be even better.
    3) Yes, my 530i is nominally harsher than my non-SP 328i.
    4) No, according to Tirerack.com, the BBS wheels that are the closest in look to the type 42 wheels that come on the 530i sport cost $499 each. So, if you buy the BBS RX II wheels and Pilot Sport Primacy tires, you are at $2,728, before any additional charges (like mounting, balancing, sales tax and shipping). If you follow that route, you will end up with a 5er without the lowered ride and the better suspension, without the nicer front seats and without the nicer steering wheel.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • snagielsnagiel Member Posts: 750
    For the most part I agree with Shipo, except on point number 3. It may indeed be harsher than his 328, but I find my 530i sport suspension amazingly cushy given its handling capabilities. I found it only marginally harsher than the base suspension setup, and I suggest you test drive both to see whether the tradeoff is worth it. I, too, strongly believe it is.

    As for the loaded-530-versus-stripped-540, it depends on your priorities. If a big engine is important to you, then you probably have your answer. But it is nearly impossible to find a completely stripped 540iA among dealers, since most people order at least the premium package along with other options. I wanted most of the options on my 5 (except for the lousy nav system and rear airbags), and preferred the 530i's slightly better handling and steering over the 540's greater grunt, given the $8k difference between the two (comparably equipped with my options). I'm more than satisfied I made the right choice.
  • indylowflyerindylowflyer Member Posts: 148
    The sport suspension is probably the single most important option, IMO. The ride is firm, but in no way harsh. With the added goodies that come standard with the sp, it is well worth it. The sp option is right there with the manual tranny for my driving purposes. As I have previously stated, there is nothing quite like a manual tranny mated to a V-8, of course with the sp option.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    I am about to take a former 6'5" body builder to lunch. This guy, when he was in top form, used to weigh something like 270, now that he has a wife, 3 children and a job that keeps him busy 12-14 hours a day, he has tended to put on a little weight, like, to the tune of another 100 pounds (give or take a couple of dozen) or so. I wonder how he will fit in the Sport Seats on my 530i. I will report after lunch. ;-)

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • colt007colt007 Member Posts: 64
    lee81 - I've just been wiping the wood down with a moist cotton cloth. I've got a few minor scratches around the shifter from the Rolex & diamond bracelet me & wifey wear (not) but I don't think they can be removed.

    love2skicar - the V8 must be sweet! Congrats!

    stl540 - Congrats to you also! Someone who actually "loves the Steptronic"! The manual purists won't like to hear that.

    riez - auto tranny failure?? were these '97-2001 5ers? I haven't heard that one.

    bimmer12 - get the SP. The handling alone will make it worth it. Add the suspension, wheels, shadowline trim & nice M steering wheel & that's a great package. The SP ride isn't much harsher than my 300M. I agree w/ Snagiel on the loaded 530 vs. stripped 540. I too got most options less nav, park distance, sunshade, rear airbags & I'm lovin it.

    Colt.
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