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2009 Subaru Legacy



  • altimatealtimate Posts: 62
    I looked at an 09 SE today and test drove it. The car was a knock out and they're having another awesome lease deal. Sign and drive for 24 mo. at 235/mo.

    My problem is that I have issues with the comfort of the vehicle. I currently have an 03 Altima which is a much wider and roomier vehicle. The Legacy felt tight with my leg rubbing against the emergency brake which was not comfortable. Also felt the steering wheel didn't have enough vertical rise for me to not bump my knees when entering. I've unfortunately gained about 30lb in the last year and now am 6'0" 250.

    I'm wondering if there are seat adjustments other things that might enable you to avoid the leg hitting the emrgency brake and the steering wheel. I'd like to get this car but not if i'm going to be poked and prodded all the time.

    Also, I asked for a quote on the lease with after market leather and satellite radio. They wanted $50/mo. for the leather and 20/mo for the radio. That's ridiculous on a 2 year lease. They were charging me the full price of these items with no discount despite the fact that close to 70% of the car (residual) remains with the lessor. The saleman kind of shrugged when I rasied the issue but said we could haggle over price (also lowballed trade).

    My problem is there is no sense haggling if I'm not comfortable sitting in the car. Any thoughts about this or similar experiences would be appreciated.
  • ahqahq Posts: 37
    Here in Milwaukee, a couple of area Subaru dealers are advertising $179/month leases on the 2.5i SE w/manual transmission. The terms are 10K miles per year, 2 year term, and around $899-999 down depending on the dealership.

    I currently drive a 2002 Nissan Sentra GXE with about 76K miles. After this last winter, which really mangled the roads around here, my Sentra's ride became almost downright punishing, even though the shocks and struts are reportedly still in good shape. I wanted to move up to a car with a more solid structure and a more absorbent ride.

    I was considering leasing a 2008 Impreza 2.5i sedan, which has been advertised for $199 sign-and-drive 36-month leases around here for months. The Impreza reportedly has one of the best rides in its class. However, after finding out about the $179 lease on the Legacy, I went to the dealership this evening with the intention to evaluate both cars.

    The Impreza is a nice small car, but it isn't a major step up from my Sentra like the Legacy is. I was upside down on my Sentra by around $320, so rolling that difference into my 24-month, 12K mile lease gave me monthly payments of $241 plus tax. BTW the Legacy I was looking at is an automatic, not a stick shift.

    Regarding altimate's concern about comfort, I guess it depends on what you're used to. I'm also 6'0" and weigh 250 lbs (what a coincidence, eh?) and I found the Legacy cockpit to be just that... it felt like a cockpit, somewhat snug but I didn't find it to be cramped. I didn't feel the handbrake jabbing into my thigh, but my test drive lasted 15 minutes at best. I can live with it for two years if I had to, however. I should add that the power driver's seat really enhanced comfort by providing me with very good thigh support. The Sentra has accomodated me quite well, but the Legacy is slightly more comfortable for me.

    One definitely can't fit four six-footers in a Legacy sedan, especially with a sunroof, which cuts into rear seat headroom. It's not as spacious as an Altima, Accord, or Camry. But if space is not much of an issue (it isn't for me, I rarely have more than one passenger with me), then I'd go for the Legacy... it has so much more flair than the others!

    Can't wait to pick up my car tomorrow evening!! :) :) :)
  • altimatealtimate Posts: 62
    Thanks for giving me a heads up on your experience.

    I think I need to give the car a longer drive to really judge whether the comfort issue is minor or a deal breaker. I might ask the dealer if I could get one to drive for a day (or a good part of a day) so that I could deal with the issue.

    I think I'll check some other dealers to see how they approach the option issue which obviuosly shouldn't raise the lease price as much as it did.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Comfort is paramount. Honestly, I would try a Forester, or buy something else.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    Very nice. Enjoy it! :)

  • altimatealtimate Posts: 62
    Well I went to another dealer today and did another test drive. This time they actually let me drive the car alone. Interestingly, I did not have the issue of the hand brake pushing on my leg. I spent some time adjusting the seat and while its still a bit snug I was fine with it. It looks like this is going to be the car for me.

    I found the second dealer much more easy going and didn't feel I was being hustled.
    When I asked him about what adding leather, and 15000 mi would do to the lease price he gave me a detailed discussion of the cost of these items and the residuals effect on them. Bottom line what the other dealer wanted $100/mo more for, he wanted $50/mo for. I called the other dealer back and he wouldn't budge even though the salesman admitted there might be something to my claim that you can't charge me the full price of an option when the car has an 80% residual (unbelievable that number). I think I'm going with the second dealer especially since he indicated that a free loaner would be given with all service calls.

    Will need to wait a bit for the color choice to come in but I'm totally happy with this choice. It's kind of a relief to finally have closure on this as I've been looking for what seems an endless amount of time.

    This is a conservatively styled but attractive car with a high quality interior and a ton of options for a price in the low 20's. The idea of spending 10k more for a so-called entry level luxury car is waste of money in my opinion.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    I've unfortunately gained about 30lb in the last year and now am 6'0" 250

    I'm 5'10, 300lb, while not as comfy as my Armada my LGT is not bad to drive for 2 or 3 hrs. I wouldn't drive cross country in it, but I can adjust it well enough for me. If you can wait til the spring, the 2010 model will be here and it's supposed to be significantly larger.

  • altimatealtimate Posts: 62

    Hopefully by next spring I'll get rid of those 30 extra pounds. Easier said than done, of course. Regardless, I'm set on the 09 Legacy.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Well at least you are probably getting the most refined version of the 4th generation of Legacy. Last build year usually is best IMO.

  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    Mike, if you lost about a 100 pounds, your track lap times would drop—and your lifespan will increase. 300 pounds at your height is not good. Any doctor will tell you that.

    I'm 5'9" and 200 pounds and my doctor is constantly telling me to lose another 30 pounds.

    It may not seem important now, but it will when you get to my age—assuming you do get to my age. :)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sweet, congrats! Looks great!

    I love those rims. Among the very best on the market, at any price.

    I'd prefer that the leather were perforated, but it's still very nice.

    Love the dual exhaust, too.

    I bet a small GPS could fit under that door at the top of the dash.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The 3 of us should have a bet - who can lose the most (as a % of their current weight) by Xmas.

    I hit 217 # while in Brazil, eating like a pig. I was 185 in high school.

    Subaru Crew Diet? :D
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    I was 148 in high school, and 160 when I did the Maryland Marathon back in 1981 at age 36. So clearly 200 pounds is not good for me—even though I hit the gym almost daily.

    X-Mas—you're on! And afterwards we can pig out like there was no tomorrow! :P

  • pilot1226pilot1226 Posts: 165
    While we're talking about the 09 in this thread, thought I'd ask everyone's opinion on frequency and brand for waxings. I usually use a high-end Turtle Wax (Platinum) and I prefer to use the liquid rather than the goopy can about once a year before the winter hits and use a Wash and Wax wash (Rain X is the brand I've been using for a year or so now) every week or two.

    Anyone had any good results with other brands?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Consumer Reports' last test included Prestone Bullet Wax, and the one thing they raved about was that it was indeed easy and quick to apply.

    Given my time constraints, i.e. two kids that want me to play with them and not focus on car detailing, this was a priority for me, so I tried it out.

    The product does exactly what it promises. It's quick and easy to apply and remove, plus the big plus is it does *not* stain the black rubber and plastic trim. That's key for saving time, because with some other stuff I used you had to use blue painter's tape to keep the trim clean.

    So far the water beads up well in the rain. I just hope it lasts.

    It also passes my "rag test". Toss a rag on the hood, and it should slip right off. It does.
  • pilot1226pilot1226 Posts: 165
    Cool, I'll run to Advance Auto and pick up some if they even have it (I couldn't find it on the Prestone website - did you see any good reviews about Turtle Wax ICE?)

    I usually wax my cars right after it starts to turn to fall, so that puts me about mid Octoberish, and then I'll do another wax after we thaw out in the spring.

    A funny thing happened within the last 2 weeks I've owned my Sub...
    Every time my wife and I drive somewhere and she hops out, I pull out the owners' manual and read away... I recently discovered that you can pop the transmission into "SPORT" mode for better acceleration and engine braking... I had no idea this existed and the dealers didn't mention it. I knew about the manual SPORTShift mode and the regular D automatic, but Sport mode is pretty cool, and I like the way the engine backs down when I take my foot off the gas pedal.

    Oh, I wrote a review for Edmunds' and it's the only one up there for the `09 Legacy. The Limited trim is far more superior than I ever expected it to be when we were considering the SE trim... The dual climate is very nice and the AUTO feature is useful... The hardest thing I've had to get used to is the fact that I can't comfortably shut the door(s) by the window frame, well, because there isn't one. In order to minimize fingerprints, my wife and I have agreed to shut the door via the handle.

    Can't wait for some inclement weather. About 700/1000 miles into the break-in period, impatiently waiting for the 1001st mile where I can really open it up.
  • ahqahq Posts: 37
    I'll sheepishly admit that I've been driving my 2009 2.5i SE for two weeks now, although I've yet to crack open the owner's manual. Since I'm not going anywhere (or at least not anywhere far) during the upcoming holiday weekend, perhaps I'll set aside some time to peruse through the manual.

    Regarding the automatic transmission's Sport program mode, the salesperson did demonstrate this feature to me upon delivery two weeks ago. I usually switch the lever to the Sport mode when I'm on the freeway, for more responsive downshifts when passing.

    My mom's 1990 Nissan Stanza XE (she's the second owner and has been driving the car since 1994!) has a similar toggle switch. It has three modes: Comfort, Sport, and Automatic. Historically I'd leave the switch in Automatic mode while driving her car around town, but I'll flip it to Sport mode when driving on the freeway. I was happy to find a similar feature on my Legacy. Having said that, I haven't really used the "manual" shift mode more than once thus far.

    As far as disappointments and regrets are concerned, I have two thus far. My previous car, a 2002 Sentra GXE, had much better storage space for small items, including a nicely sized compartment (with a pop-up lid) to the right of the instrument panel. The door pockets were more generously sized as well.

    I know I might damage my rep for admitting this, but I've found that I don't care for the cupholders... their location behind the shifter, that is. My old Sentra's cupholders were in front of the shifter, so beverages were much easier to place and reach.

    Last but not least, there were three Legacy 2.5i SE automatics at the dealership, and I chose the one in Seacrest Green. I like the exterior color, and I find the ivory interior (with contrasting black upper dashboard) to be pleasing, but I'm concerned about the light-colored fabric appearing dingy after a while. I'm not too worried about it since I leased the car for two years and I don't have kids, but I would've gone for the Ruby Red car with black interior if I had to turn back the clock.
  • altimatealtimate Posts: 62
    Congrats on your purchase. Have you had a chance to check mileage yet?

    I'm still waiting for availability of an SE here in Michigan. Looks like September at the earliest. I hope the lease deal doesn't suffer too much between now and then.

    Looking at Quartz Silver as my color of choice. Never been fond of black interrior but I'm going with after market leather and the Legacy has a very upscale look in the black. If a beige trim became available I'd want white or bronze exterior. Right now I'm just antsy from waiting. Getting calls from competitive dealers trying to get me to look at other vehicles. I might do so if something doesn't happen pretty soon regarding availability. Still, after an eternity of research I'm seeing the Legacy SE as the best overall combination of value and upscale features.
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