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What Will You Do When Your Favorite Brand Dies?



  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    I think Porsche is an exception to your comments, and while I will never be able to afford a new one in my lifetime, I would miss them if they went belly up. I'm not too worried about it happening though. ;-)

    As for Subaru, I would miss them too, and there I do have some real concern for the company's viability without a tie-up or buy-up, but OTOH they are a lot less distinctive than the likes of Porsche. Honda and Mitsubishi pretty much have all of Sube's territory covered between them.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • boaz47boaz47 Posts: 2,744
    'I think Porsche is an exception to your comments, and while I will never be able to afford a new one in my lifetime, I would miss them if they went belly up."

    but why? It is just a car nothing more. Do we miss Dussenberg or Cord? Do we miss D-Jags or any other number of classic vehicles? It is just a tool made up of pieces of material. They would be replaced by something else or the will survive but it won't matter because they too will change and those that loved the old Speedster will have to wonder what ever happened to the old 911.

    I believe Porsche /VW will survive and some of the others will as well but in reality what does it matter if Subaru is gone? We survived Studebaker, Nash, Hudson and several others and no one lost much sleep over them. Even Mini Cooper is just a name the car is gone. The new one is nothing like the origional. It might look a little like one but that is it.

    There are cars I miss but it is much like any other tool when a new and improved one replaces the old one you soon forget the old one.

    To give you a classic example I remember having a 1966 VW bug. I thought it was a great car and it was so easy to maintain and drive. Got reasonable fuel mileage and was about as simple to own as any vehicle I have ever owned. Around 1994 to 1996 I got a chance to to pick up a clean 71 VW bug. I got a new rebuilt engine and transmission and replaced the carb and exhaust with a Bug spray and stinger. I sold the car a year later because I got tired of working on it all the time. It was then that I remember I used to work on my old 66 all the time as well.

    Do I miss air cooled VW bugs? Nope. Would I get another one if I had to pick between a Hyundai today and it? Nope. And you know I don't like Hyundai.

    But Porsche isn't my favorite brand so it isn't part of the question for me. But what I would do if one of my favorite brands died wouldn't be to buy a Porsche. Unless they were the only choice left. Otherwise if a new private company comes along, or even Porsche, and offers me something that doesn't use gas or oil I won't miss any of the old cars. Not even when I get old enough to be assigned a walker to drive. :blush:
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    You mean my Studebaker is going away?

    Amen to that brother. I owned 3 Studebaker cars and a PU. They all got better mileage than anything else in Detroit. I always figured they were run out of business because the others could not compete. Quite frankly NOTHING built today is really worth get excited about. If GM, Toyota, Ford, Honda and Chrysler all went belly up, I would not lose a wink of sleep. I doubt I will ever buy any of them again.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,326
    Funny thing - the late Studebakers had a reputation as rust buckets but to me what the heck from that period wasn't a rust bucket?
  • boaz47boaz47 Posts: 2,744
    "Amen to that brother. I owned 3 Studebaker cars and a PU. They all got better mileage than anything else in Detroit. I always figured they were run out of business because the others could not compete."

    They made the hawk and the Super Hawk and they were anything but rust buckets. But most of all they had one of the best sports coupe ever.

    It was so good they continued making long after the company shut down. Still life went on and no one lost much sleep over it. If Honda dropped off the face of the earth buyers would just buy Toyotas. If they don't make any more Mazdas people will simply buy Hondas or whatever is being sold. I am no different than 99 percent of the people in the US. I will buy what I can buy and I will not worry all that much about what I can't buy. Take a name tag off of one car and put it on another and if I like the car I don't care who made it. Unlike some people I was not fooled for a second when Toyota came out with the Scion. It was a Toyota just like Buick was GM. I would burst peoples bubble every time I would see one and they would say, oh it is a new brand from Japan. I would point out it was a Toyota and some might disagree and say it was only serviced by Toyota. We would walk over to the window and I would point out the Toyota name on the back window glass.

    Honda tried to pull the new car on us with Acura but it was only Acura here for so many years it was a joke. It was a Honda with a different name plate.

    A bit long winded but it was to simply point out that a car is just a car and it doesn't matter who puts their name on it.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    probably just be sad, and then move on to another brand. Or, pick up a used Saab at the liquidation sale.
  • boaz47boaz47 Posts: 2,744
    Like they say, make lemon aid out of lemons.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,326
    I didn't have to even open the link to know there was an Avanti there. What a great design. I'm amazed even today that given their product that Studebaker didn't survive longer.
  • I've always bought GM vehicles. I personally will probably not defect to foreign cars or even Dodge or Ford and It depends on what brand WITHIN GM we're talking about. I personally will not miss Saturn, Hummer, or Saab and Cadillacs are out of my price range so it wouldnt affect me. If Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick or GM all together went under, I would probably take myself out of the new car market for a long time and become best friends with AutoZone, Pep Boys, Mr Goodwrench,Year One, and anyone who could help me keep my "ancient and discontinued GM" car in near perfect shape so I can show it off years later at shows ( a mint condition Pontiac Fiero or a Buick Reatta will turn a head or two today) I would also, if income permitted, start collecting and refurbishing GM cars...I'm sure there would be a market for it if they no longer existed
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,116
    That's pretty much the way I feel.

    As for those refurbished GM cars, you'd definately would have a market with me!
  • boaz47boaz47 Posts: 2,744
    "I didn't have to even open the link to know there was an Avanti there."

    I have only lusted after two cars in my life. The D-Jag was one but never realistic. But the Avanti was always one of those cars I wanted to drop the hammer on. I even thought about getting one of the later models with the corvette running gear. It was one of the cleanest sports coupes ever. IMHO
  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    A 53 Studebaker coupe would still look better than most of the cars on the road today. As for performance: anybody ever driven or had a ride in a "Studillac"?
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,845
    No but I stuffed a big Packard V8 with auto into a 1953 Studebaker Champion coupe. It was very fast. Could never keep it running cool. That radiator was just too small. Studebaker is far more missed than anything today would be. Cars today are like saying I would really miss that refrigerator when it goes. Most times after 3 years people are chompin at the bit for a different ride.

  • bobgwtwbobgwtw Posts: 187
    Great picture! Thanks for sharing it. Mine was a 53 champion coupe. Gray w/ a red top. Sure wish I had it today.
  • boaz47boaz47 Posts: 2,744
    We will miss out favorite brand. It is just that it is Studebaker.
  • bvdj84bvdj84 Posts: 1,721
    So you would take a major hit if GM went under? See I see myself the complete opposite. I really can't see myself going into a GM car. But, probably because my family has never really had much interest in them. Myself, really don't see any car in the line up, other than the new Malibu, that really strikes me with value and class. But, its all what we are used to. Its what we are comfortable with.

    I too would be sad, because it affects so many jobs if a company went under. All the family's out there that get hurt. I don't wish that, even for GM. They have so much potential to raise that value bar. This is all my opinion, so nothing personal. The new camaro is amazing!!

    That would be neat though to refurbish a few models. The older GM cars are actually better made, and worth more than the new models.
  • ehaaseehaase Posts: 328
    The MKS is not getting a V8. It is getting a twin turbo, direct injected 3.5L V6 with 350 hp, to be shared with the Taurus SHO, Flex, and Lincoln MKT.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    You are the most UNsentimental car enthusiast I have ever met!

    I am also intrigued, however, that so many here miss Studebaker so much. Me, I wasn't alive when there were Studebakers being made in the world.

    I agree with the general feeling here that the mass manufacturers are all about the same, and none are worth missing. It's a shame we have so few niche carmakers still operating out there. That was part of the reason for my Porsche comment and my mention of Subaru. They are two distinctive, niche automakers still selling new cars in the 21st century. There aren't many, and once Toyota swallows up the remainder of Subaru there will be one less....

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • boaz47boaz47 Posts: 2,744
    Yes I know. I have been accused of linier thinking most of my life. But I only have sentiment for living things. I Philosophy class I once took had a professor that equated affection towards an inadmate object as a sign of superstition. That has stuck with me all these years. I have no brand loyalty in general even if I do tend to bundle things together made by one company. If I get a HP computer I tend to get a HP printer and a HP digital camera. Doesn't mean anything works any better together just fits my sense of order.

    Subaru is only distinctive because of it's engine not because it is so different you wouldn't think it came from an asian drawing board. Once Porche decided to build a SUV they lost a edge in the being different game as well. They have no more Panache than BMW and so are simply another car. even thought the position of their engine is different. But get inside a VW SUV or a Porsche SUV with all of the badges removed and one is pretty much like the other.

    So if they all went and were replaced by cars made by Gruman, TRW, Matel but were designed to be cost effective and would get us off of foreign oil in the fewest years who would miss the old cars? The old companies never came to my house for dinner of attended Church where I do or invited me over for a Bar-B-Que so what would I care if they were replaced? I would only worry about the lost jobs. The the big six I am nothing more than a number, always have been always will be. To me they are nothing more than a company that thinks of me as a number. No reason to morn their passing.
  • fezofezo Posts: 9,326
    I think there is a lot of reason for people who were around at the time to remember Studebaker fondly. They had really nice designs in that time where I got to see new ones. There was a Studebaker dealer that we'd pass every time going up to grandparents house (after Packard got dropped) so that's a nice memory as well.

    Historically they were interesting because they were the one manufacturer who successfully went from building carriages to be drawn by horses to building horseless ones. They were doing some very nice things up to the end, the nicest being that Avanti. They just didn't have enough cash to keep going.
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