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Cadillac DeVille

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  • robh3robh3 Posts: 157
    The following is direct from the Vogue Tyres Web site:


    "About 1918 to 1919 Harry Hower, a chauffeur in the Chicago area, joined forces with the Woodbury family in the tire business to create a new design tire - the whitewall. This initial design had the whitewall on both sides.


    Since practically all tires were blackwall at this time, they hoped to attract the business of chauffeur driven cars with this unusual design. Margaret Woodbury named this new whitewall tire "Vogue" and the name "Custom Built" was added at a later date.


    Up until 1926, Vogue Tyres were sold only in Chicago, Illinois. Having been successful promoting Vogue Tyres to the chauffeur industry, Mr. Hower branched out to the West Coast and in late 1926 added Dodson Limited in Los Angeles as distributor in this region.


    This unique wide whitewall design soon appeared on the cars of the motion picture stars. During the Depression years of the early 1930's, practically all large car sales were based on six tires. The movie stars were among the few who still had the incomes to afford Vogue Tyres. Dusenberg owners became a primary source of business for the company.


    In 1935 Mr. Hower negotiated with the Kelly-Springfield Tire Company to take over production of Vogue Tyres. This agreement was the first for Kelly-Springfield which had just been purchased by the Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company. This is the only agreement Vogue Tyre and Kelly-Springfield have had for now the last 65 years."


    In my opinion, aside from their potential appeal from their unique looks, Vogue Tyres also are purported to be very high quality, and they also carry one of the longest warrantees in the business (up to 80,000 miles on some of their models).


    You can also get Vogue tyres with blackwalls (I believe), or you can install them "inside out" to get a blackwall while enjoying the quality and long tread life.


    http://vogue-tyre.com/index2.html

  • richm4richm4 Posts: 169
    Yesterday, I was given an "out the door" price of about $43,600 on a new 2002 loaded DTS that lists at 53K. This includes 6K Cash Back incentive, plus a GM employee discount, and a 1K hold back.

    This sounded pretty good to me until I saw all the posts regarding big depreciation the first year.

    Is this a really good deal, or is the automatic depreciation negating the 6K cash back incentive?

    Any help is apprciated since the car I'm interested in may be sold off the lot fairly soon. Thanks.
  • carnaughtcarnaught Posts: 1,569
    ....imho, the $6K cash back incentive somewhat, but does not completely, offset the depreciation. But, as with all cars at the end of the model year, find out the difference in price between a 2002 and 2003, then make a decision.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    On my Olds Intrigue, you can select no auto lock or unlock so I would think that you could on the Cadillac as well. Did your 96 not also have this feature? I know some Cadillacs have had this feature since the early 1980s.

    richm4, that is a damn good price on a damn nice car!! Yes, depreciation is bad on these cars but cars are not good financial investments anyway and luxury cars do depreciate alot in the first few years. If you like the car, I'd get it as that seems like a good deal. Is it brand new and not a "demo"?
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    In my neck of the woods (NY)a 02 base Deville
    used is around 28k. I hear ya about poor
    resale. But I do get the GM employee deal
    etc. I keep them to 100k miles and about
    6 years. I always buy the base Deville
    with few options (roof, chromies, bose)
    to keep the price down. I got 6k trade on
    my 96 when I got my 02 Deville.....
    Want Resale buy a GM xcab 4x4 !
    I traded my 97 GM truck for a 01 last year
    and got $16500 trade ! Go figure...
    the 96 Caddy cost MORE than the 97 truck !
    Good Luck..........geo
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    My 96 Deville, moms 98, and my 01 chev.
    truck you can program them a bunch of
    ways on, off, lock in gear, lock at 15
    mph etc.....Read manual in my 02 and my
    dads new 02 S-10 and there seems NO way
    to just shut them off completely.
    I can live with it !........geo
  • After 6mo and 10,000km (6000 miles for the metrically impaired:) I can say this....The car is absolutely superb, zero snags, looks great, runs fantastic, it's fast, has presence and prestige, and best of all, my women love it! Dark blue with oatmeal interior, extraordinary sound system, makes you feel like a somebody. And all this praise comes from a former Audi/BMW owner (which are also very good cars...) Totally happy with my purchase. For those of you trying to figure out depreciation/price/value etc. let me help you ...go with your heart, you only live once.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Is yours a base, DHS, or DTS?
  • It's a 2002 DTS, all options except the DVD navigation package and night vision. These are costly gadgets which I do not need. IMHO, the DTS, with its wood steering, shifter, console, better leather, nicer instrumentation, electronic suspension and stronger engine is worth the extra cash.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    I agree. BTW, does yours have XM radio?
  • Wanted to, but it's not available in Canada just yet. (go figure)
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    Any of you have a 02 Caddy ? I notice
    that the horn sounds different than my
    old 96 or my moms 98. Did they change
    them ? Caddy horns had a sound of their own...............geo
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,068
    ...I did notice the different-sounding horn vis-a-vis my 1994 DeVille. My 1989 Brougham has the awesome 4-note Cadillac trumpet horn. It sounds like a locomotive.
  • Just a note of appreciation for the folks on this thread. Your combined experiences contributed to my decision to purchase a new 2002 DeVille DTS--I thoroughly enjoy this vehicle! I had many different cars to choose from (Lexus, BMW, Lincoln...), but I found that the exceptionally quiet, controlled ride and responsive drive train of the Cadillac best suited me (Also like the body styling). The dealer expressed muted surprise that a 39 year old male would choose this car :-) I suppose I do not fit advertised marketing plans or demographic projections! Regardless, I share your pleasure in owning one of these fine automobiles.
  • richm4richm4 Posts: 169
    I just started reading this board for the first time recently and, quite frankly, am shocked there are so many relatively young Caddy owners.

    I'm 38 and was sort of embarrassed about becoming interested in Cadillacs. Reading these posts has somewhat alleviated my embarrassment.

    While I don't care too much for the CTS, I must admit the DTS and STS have a certain appeal to me. It must be the nice interior. I love my 98 Grand Prix, but I am getting so tired of the cheap looking Pontiac interior. It would be nice if Cadillac woke up and offered the center console without having to spend 50K on a DTS, though.
  • My first Caddy was a 2001 STS fully loaded. I was 37 at the time (2 yrs ago). I am now 39 and going to be leasing either a DTS or another STS in Dec (if not sooner). My 2001 is diamond white with every option possible including the nav system. I too do not care for the CTS, but that is probably because I am spoiled with the STS. I am looking at a 2003 black DTS with lighter interior. Any feedback from DTS drivers appreciated. Thanks.
  • I'm a 20 year old.......(trapped in a 45-year old body:)
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Well guys, I'm 27 and if I had $50K to spend on a car there would be a Crimson Pearl STS(or maybe a Sable Black DTS) in my driveway. I have always liked Cadillacs, even in the early 90s when their cars were rather stoic looking. I currently have an Oldsmobile Intrigue and am seriously considering a CTS to replace it in a year or so as the CTS is closer to my price range and it is an absolute joy to drive. Unless I see killer deals on 03s late next summer, I'm waiting for the 2004 model which may get some interior tweaks and a more powerful standard V6 engine. Funny thing is that many of my friends who are my age like Cadillacs as well and believe me, they are fully aware of what a Northstar V8 will do. Trouble again is the price of entry. The Catera never appealed to me, but the CTS certainly does and hopefully will give us "younger" and less heeled Caddy fans a worthy entry level model.
  • I just purchased a used 2000 DeVille. When I got it I found that the driver door speaker was not working. I took it to my Cadillac dealer, and they said it was just disconnected. The used car dealer (not a Cadillac dealer) I bought the car from told me that there was a problem with the door chime, and that I should have the Cadillac dealer check it, but when I got the car, there was no problem, so I thought it had gone away. Now that the speaker is reconnected, the door chime goes off ALL the time the driver door is open, and the car is NOT running (when running and the driver door is opened the chime does not go off). My Cadillac dealer did a search for warranty work on the car, and found that the ignition key assembly had been replaced. I also discovered that the door electric lock button will not lock the doors. I remember from reading the owners manual that the system is programed to disable the door lock button when a key is in the ignition. I am wondering if something is causing the car to think there is a key in the ignition, thus causing the door chime and the electric lock button to not work. The electric lock button will unlock the doors, but not lock them.

    Anyone have any ideas, or has this ever been discussed before? That door chime is loud and drives me nuts! Otherwise the car is a joy to drive! 25,000 miles on it, and the interior is like new.

    My only other problem is that I can not drive this lovely car and enjoy it, because.....it is a hearse. It is very frustrating to spend a lot of money on a luxury car and not be able to enjoy hitting the road in it! Due to the cost of hearses, I paid more (or maybe equal to) for this 2000 used than I think anyone paid for a brand new sedan in 2000.
  • sonjaabsonjaab Posts: 1,057
    Maybe you are leaving something in the
    car turned on. Headlights, Int. lights ,
    etc. How long have you had this car?
    Most newer cars have a dealer warranty
    and/or the remainder of the mfrs. new car
    warranty. There may be a deductable
    on it tho. What state are you in ?
    Call that dealer and Caddy warranty
    service 800 number in your owners books.
    Prob. just a simple wiring problem !
    You could always pull out/disconnect
    The crazy chime !.....
    good luck keep us posted !.......geo
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