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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • "my gas mileage is considerably higher than his Ody EX" - sorry, I may be slow, but by higher do you mean worse or better gas mileage than the Ody EX? Curious because I am comparing Ody and T&C/DC.

     

    Also, on the thread about depreciation I think Isell hit the key when he said "hard to find" gets book value. High miles don't. I am looking to trade my '02 Ody EX with high mileage for preferably '05 Ody EX-L or possible '04/'05 T&C. But since I have high miles my two trade in quotes so far have been 2-3,000 under KBB trade in even with the high miles adjustment in KBB! So if the mileage adjustment is in Edmunds, KBB, NADA, why is real world so much lower?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    01 Ody EX has been giving 20 to 21 MPG on trips and 02 T&C LX has been giving 25-27 MPG on trips.

        Driving habits of my son vs my habits could cause the much better gas mileage of the T&C. I think each would deliver about the same if driven by the same driver on the same road.

        Since you have an 02 Ody EX, I would suggest you get another Ody even though I like my T&C. Both Edmunds and KBB claim the Ody retains a higher percentage of new price.

        Altho Edmunds does not permit negotiating with car salesmen in the Town Hall, maybe you could e-mail isell the mileage data on your 02 Ody EX to request trading your 02 Ody EX on a new 2005 Ody EX-L from his dealership. Hondas may have a much higher trade in value in his area than where you live.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,362
    Please...keep me out of this.
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Posts: 461
    Once you purchase the new vehicle, the salesman doesn't know you! Come on, help a fellow Ody buyer out.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Has the darling of CR and other magazines lost its luster?

        When a Honda dealer is not interested in taking an Odyssey in on a trade for a newer Odyssey, it appears the Odyssey is now just another normal vehicle.

        Is the "Stow-N-Go" introduction the reason few people are now defending the Odyssey against Chrysler and Dodge? OR, have many prospective Odyssey buyers switched to the Toyota Sienna? OR, have many prospective Odyssey buyers like myself purchased a used Chrysler minivan because of the quick drop in resale of a new Chrysler minivan?

        Where are all the posters for this forum?
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Drop in resale of the Dodge mini van didn't bother me at all. I will wind up keeping this van for at least 7-8 years. By that time, it makes little difference what your trading in.

     

    I just thought with the discount price they are selling for, the features it has on it and the smooth, quiet ride it has, you just couldn't beat it for the money. The new stow and go seats also played a big part in my decision. It was just an unbeatable value. Plus, I got 60 months at 0% financing.
  • Is there an original post this refers back to? Because otherwise I am unsure what you are doing, other than musing to yourself based on your own opinion.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,362
    What he is talking about?
  • just4fun2just4fun2 Posts: 461
    What is he talking about???? Read post 2966!!!

    The part that has a reference to you.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,362
    High miles KILL the value of a car. The "books" may say to deduct 1000.00 for high miles but in reality the deduction needs to be more.

     

    Even at deeply discounted prices most buyers are scared of high miles. More so on some makes than on others.

     

    Is that what you meant?
  • I still don't get it. That post is about mileage, and occurs before the post I (and I think Isell) asked about, which was:

     

    "Has the darling of CR and other magazines lost its luster?

        When a Honda dealer is not interested in taking an Odyssey in on a trade for a newer Odyssey, it appears the Odyssey is now just another normal vehicle.

        Is the "Stow-N-Go" introduction the reason few people are now defending the Odyssey against Chrysler and Dodge? OR, have many prospective Odyssey buyers switched to the Toyota Sienna? OR, have many prospective Odyssey buyers like myself purchased a used Chrysler minivan because of the quick drop in resale of a new Chrysler minivan?

        Where are all the posters for this forum?"

     

    I don't understand what he means here, other than thinking out loud his own views.I feel like I might respond, but I don't know what this post refers to.
  • tranmitranmi Posts: 12
    You are right. Compare the high mileage vans, you may have to pay more for the Odyssey. Why? I have the 99 Odyssey and it has over 102,000. miles on it. Trade in value is around $7,000. Compare to the DC van, the trade in is around $5,000. However, I paid full price for my and had to wait 3 months for my. DC owners got a fat rebate ($2000-$3000)plus dealer discount and did not have to wait for their van at that time. My van got all kind of problems: transmission, rattles everywhere..., ERG (out of warranty), 2 clock lights, center brake light and now the catalytic converter. No more Odyssey for me. Town and Country is going to be my next van.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    When you stop and think of the discount price of the Dodge/Chrysler over the Honda,with 0% financing. Plus the smoother, quieter ride. The features Honda doesn't offer on their vans or only offer it at a higher price, like stow and go seating, better radio and speakers,battery saver, overhead console,electric back wing windows,electric rear hatch. I think Dodge/Chrysler has a big advantage on Honda/Toyota.

     

    While the Honda has a more refined engine, it doesn't get hardly any better gas mileage than the Chrysler vans and is only a second or two faster. One big feature they do have is standard side air bags.

     

    The big advantage Honda has on Chrysler/Dodge in trade in value seems highest in the first 2-3 years of ownership. After that, the gap narrows. If many are like me, that took out a five year loan, trade in isn't going to be that much difference. A few thousand dollars. Which is more than made up in the discount price and 0% financing.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    While people would like to slam Chrysler reliability problems. Take into consideration that Chrysler has been building vans much longer than anyone else and there a millions more on the road than any other make.

     

    Then just look at the board right here. People answering Honda Odyssey problems and solutions has 3,973 posts. People answering Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge problems is 2,443. If you add the thread asking about Chrysler transmission problems to that, you still have only 3,190 posts. That's still 783 less, with millions more and older vans on the road than Honda has. Honda has also had two recalls in the last two years on their fuel pumps and transmissions. How many more complaints would Honda have if they had as many vans on the road as Chrysler has? Especially older vans.
  • ypresiaypresia Posts: 27
    Message board counts don't really mean anything. For general trends, going by Consumer Reports' reliability ratings rather than those numbers makes a lot more sense. And, a full review of minivans come out next month.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    And we maybe able to see how reliable C.R.is when we see how they rate Honda's tranny, noise and door problems that many on here have complained about.
  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    "While people would like to slam Chrysler reliability problems. Take into consideration that Chrysler has been building vans much longer than anyone else and there a millions more on the road than any other make.

      

    Then just look at the board right here. People answering Honda Odyssey problems and solutions has 3,973 posts. People answering Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge problems is 2,443."

     

    That's easy to explain: people who drive Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge vans can't read or write ;-)

     

    Seriously though, there is definitelly a different demographics of American van buyers vs. Japanese ones. I would bet my life that there are more Internet users (as a percentage) among Japanese car buyer. Also, people who use Internet to research vans are going to be much more likely to buy Japanese vans based on the information they find. These two selection biases probably account for what you've observed.
  • dulnevdulnev Posts: 652
    "And we maybe able to see how reliable C.R.is when we see how they rate Honda's tranny, noise and door problems that many on here have complained about."

     

    It's already been factored in their ratings. You will notice that 2005 Odyssey does not have the highest Expected Reliability rating (it's a half-red circle instead of full red).
  • ypresiaypresia Posts: 27
    Since C.R.'s reliability reports are based on surveys of owners, it's a a better way of comparing the extent of the problems of between models. One person can make 500 posts on a problem. Asking 500 people would be a better way to see how common a problem is.

     

    I think the Town & Country will wind up being average reliability while the Odyssey will be above average. (While Toyota will get an excellent.)
  • macakavamacakava Posts: 775
    Sienna- Red Dot

    Ody - Half Red Dot

    Quest - White to Half Red Dot

    DGC & T & C - Half Black Dot to White/Clear Dot
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