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Honda Odyssey vs Dodge/Chrysler minivans

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  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    If we only knew, we could be millionaires.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    lol, my van has 67,777k on it now. You guys are making me nervous...

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  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    DC is extending the offer for the 7yr/100k powertrain. It seems to have a lot of small print. Does anyone know the exact terms of this warranty?
  • jt23jt23 Posts: 1
    Purchased my 96 Grand Voyager two years ago with 70k on it from a dealer. Two weeks into my ownership the A/C went out. Long story short - A/C has been a problem ever since and entire system (compressor, condenser, evaporator, transducer and o-rings) have all been replaced TWICE in the last two years. In addition, I have had to replace the starter, ignition, front & rear brakes, central processor, crankshaft sensor, and the EGR valve all since April 2000. After $5000 of repairs in 24 months I am finally dumping this lemon and am eager to receive my '02 Odyssey. For STEVE - HOST - get rid of your Chrysler NOW - it all starts at 70. And I'm one of the lucky ones - I haven't had to replace my trany - yet.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    Actually I put 90,000 miles on my '89 Voyager over ten years. Now I'm driving a Quest and when it goes 80 or 90 thousand miles without a big ticket item breaking, I might consider it reliable (the Voyager ate a few head gaskets). So far so good though -- sure hope you have better luck with your next van!

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  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    and you consider it reliable? How many trannies did it eat?
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    I agree, unless he had the worlds worst mechanic.
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    The Voyager ate 3 headgaskets and stranded me a few times (usually at 20 below ). It wasn't reliable but was ok until around 50k miles (come to think of it, that's about the time my great mechanic decided to move to Seattle on me). Tranny never hiccupped on it.

    The Quest is doing fine and that's the one I might consider reliable - assuming it keeps going like it's going; nary a problem worth writing home about yet. It rolled over 68,000 miles today, so I've got another year or so to go before crowning it "reliable". Sorry for the confusing sentence structure above :-).

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  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    I find Steve's head gasket problem intriguing. His van goes 50k miles with no problem and then loses 3 head gaskets in 40k miles. This reminds me of an earlier post from someone who had their first brake pads last something like 30k miles (not sure on the number) and then had pads failing every couple thousand miles after that. I would say that stories like this make me wary of the service work being done on some of these vehicles.

    When I was young and broke and first started doing my own repair work I lost the clutch on a little truck that I drove. I replaced the clutch but I did not go to the effort or expense of getting the flywheel ground. Needless to say, I eventually learned that you need to sweat the details on repairs like that or you will be doing it again a lot sooner than you would like.

    I guess that what I am saying is that if something fails and the repair does not last at least as long as the original then their is good reason to believe that either lower quality parts were used or the repair did not fully restore the vehicle to its original condition as it should have. Unfortunately, repeated failures are not good for us owners but they are a wonderful thing for mechanics (as long as they make it past the garage warranty).
  • steverstever Ex Yooper, just arrived in New MexicoPosts: 40,529
    Good point - I had the 7/70 warranty on the Voyager so the dealer did most of the work on the engine. (Dealer ate most of the cost of the 3rd head gasket job at 77,000 miles). I think the dealer "fix" for warped heads was to grind them down in place, which may have just been a quick fix vs removing them and sending them to a machine shop.

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  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    I have found that my definition of reliability--and have observed that others definition of reliability--seems to change. Along time ago, I drove a Ford Escort. I expected head gasket problems but didn't get them. So it was deemed reliable. I owned a scad of VW's and most didn't burn up, as I expected, some dropped valves, as I expected, and they were rel... hell they weren't reliable but I loved them.

    Then I owned a Ranger. It needed occasional work, mostly under warranty, rarely inconvenienced me, so I felt it was reliable.

    I now own a Camry. I've put 150,000 miles on it. It needed front brake pads once. I have changed the fluids, replaced the belts, and had a timing belt installed. I could use struts now. THAT IS RELIABLE! (But boring.) Now my other cars were not reliable in my mind. Some folks define reliable as usually getting them where they are going. Needing water pumps, or alternators, or starters are considered "expected". Anything short of a blown engine or tranny and they are happy. Personally, I would not like to return to the world of changing alternators, water pumps, head gaskets, or heads every few years.

    It's all a matter of perspective really.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    A complaint about early Neons 95-98 was head gastet failure. MSN's carpoint reports this problem as, "periodic problems are failures of the Engine Head Gasket" and "The cost to repair the Engine Head Gasket is estimated at $75.00 for parts and $383.50 for labor." This is on the 95 and 96 models and by 97 they report it as, "Infrequent problems reported, all with low repair costs." Now many consider the Neon to be unreliable for this one specific problem. Now look at the 90-93 Honda Accord, a car many would swear by as reliable. According to carpoint, "A common problem on this vehicle is failure of the Distributor" and "The cost to repair the Distributor is estimated at $413.00 for parts and $52.00 for labor." So the Honda problem is more likely to happen, costs more to repair, and will actually strand the driver dead in the water with no warning (the Neon headgasket failure is mostly a small oil leak down the side of the block, and many people will put tens of thousands of miles on the car even with the failed headgasket.) Just food for thought.
  • mitchs3mitchs3 Posts: 64
    I have a 97 Town and Country LX. When all runs and works well it is a very nice vehicle. However, I have had many repairs over the 5 years including 3 (yes three) new circuit boards that control the dashboard guages, rack and pinion steering, parking brake pedal, stereo, wiper motor, wiper switch, fuel guage sender ($500.00), interior lights. Im likely to purchase a 2003 Oddyssey over a 2002 Town and Country, but those 2500.00 rebate and 350.00 under invoice price given to me on any Town and Country is tempting. Has Chrysler reliability improved or is there a reason Chrysler needs to deeply discount their vehicle while Honda sells at sticker?
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Well, you are going to open a can of worms with that question. The DC people seem to think the product has improved and it looks like for the short term, it has. But and I do mean but, for the long term only time will tell. I think over all the Honda is a built better but it looks like if you want a Caddy type van and willing to take a chance on their quality improving, and with all the bells and whistles you will have to go with the DC van. The only sticking point with the Honda vans is on the 99's there is a possibility of some trans problems but it looks like Honda fixed them, and then went one step better and now there is the 5 speed which I haven't heard of any problems with. The best part was it didn't take a decade or more to fix like seems to be the norm on a DC van.
  • pat84pat84 Posts: 817
    You can get a lemon from any manufacturer. DC now offers extended warranties that should make them even more attractive to you.
    BTW I drive a 99 Odyssey that has 60 K miles on it and would recommend them based solely on my experience.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    I always say, drive them first, then decide. I had the same temptations with the rebates DC was throwing in on their vehicles. I took the DC and Honda for an extensive test drive and that was the ultimate determinant for me. I preferred the power, handling and safety features of the Honda. For some folks, price is the number one factor in their decision. They can be found on the Kia boards.
  • odd1odd1 Posts: 226
    What with this good sound advise? This is VS board. Let's get back to sniping at each other....
    L.O.L.
  • 4aodge4aodge Posts: 288
    I have never heard of any 2002 DC minivan having all the problems you have had with your 1997 Town & Country LX. That does't mean its impossible, but Chrysler reliabilty has improved significantly since you purchased your 1997 model van. To see what I mean, just sit inside a new Town & Country and experience the difference in quality yourself. The dash is well assembled, the doors slam with authority, and the interior materials are of much better quality.

    We have a 2000 Town & Country LX with 44k miles and no problmes. We bought the Town & Country over the Odyssey mainly because of apperance, features and price. We have been very happy with our current van and are now looking to replace it with a new 2002 Town & Country LXi.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    It's not allowed anymore, thats why the posts have dropped off and now its just boring. Best thing that could happen is to put it 6 foot under.
  • bdaddybdaddy Posts: 171
    "Chrysler reliabilty has improved significantly since you purchased your 1997 model van. To see what I mean, just sit inside a new Town & Country and experience the difference in quality yourself." - 4adodge

    Adam,
    I hate to nit pick, but since when does initial build quality=reliability. I know you must be thinking, "look at these plush surroundings" when you sit in your T&C but that in no way equates to reliability. At 40K miles, your van should be reliable. I wonder how it would fare at 60k, or even 90k miles. I love it when people claim, "I've always owned XXX cars and never had a problem." Then you find out they lease or trade them in every 2-3 years.

    There, I feel better now.
  • mitchs3mitchs3 Posts: 64
    Well I did open up the can when I asked for help choosing either the Odyssey or Town and Country. What is most important is reliability over the comforts, though the latter is important. We have placed a order for 2003 Odyssey EX-L without yet driving because none of the dealers have one to drive. If only Honda will come out with a more luxurious SE model this coming year (2003)...Or perhaps an Acura badged version...No one has given me compelling reason to retry another Chrysler after all the trouble my 97 Town/country has given me....
  • ody01ody01 Posts: 100
    Reliability most important get Odyssey. Love 2001 Odyssey now has 15,700 miles no problems. Odyssey most room, Magic Seat most luggage space, most power, almost best mileage. Don't need all extra feature on Chrysler minivan.
  • steelengsteeleng Posts: 71
    If only for purely psychological reasons. If you purchase a DC van it will have to perform flawlessly in every way or you will end up with a bad case of buyers remorse thinking that you should have bought the Honda. On the other hand, if you buy the Honda and it breaks down you can always comfort yourself by saying "at least it is better than a DC." ;)
  • maple49maple49 Posts: 66
    I also recently purchased a Honda 2002 EX-L. This van drives great. It is quick, responsive and very comfortable (the leather looks and feels great). I traded in a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I never even looked at the Chrysler vans. I personally feel that they are overpriced, cheaply built and have horrible resale value. Also, the folding third seat is a feature that can not be overlooked. You made a good choice.
  • ody01ody01 Posts: 100
    Not compared to Odyssey, Windstar, GM, or Sienna. Smaller Sienna most overpriced minivan cost thousands more than Odyssey or Chrysler. Friend 02 Chrysler T&C more feature my 2001 Odyssey EX $3000 less sticker price. Odyssey Magic Seat, most space luggage, most power, suspected high resale reason got Odyssey and not Chrysler.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    He must have blown a tranny. Let me fill in for him, "Chryslers are obviously superior in that they have a much more plush armrest. And the trannies were fixed in 89, 94, and 98. There are no problems since those years, no matter what any of those consumer groups say. And all the Accords in my neighborhood suck."
  • calgcalg Posts: 53
    Some think Ody01 is Carleton... he showed up around the time Carleton stopped posting. I'm not sure, but some of what Ody01 says sure does "channel" Carleton-isms!
  • dave210dave210 Posts: 238
    Well, if Ody01 is Carleton, I suggest he go back to writing in complete sentences. Ody01's fragmented senteces are killing me!
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    speaking of such missing persons, anybody seen my Goat? And what was that old Marine's name? Is he still around? He was great.
  • hersbirdhersbird Posts: 323
    His name was Marjoe, where did he go?
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