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The 4.0L V6 in the 2007 Chrysler Pacifica has 255 HP and 265 lb-ft Torque with 6 speed AT. Another source indicates this engine/transmission combination will be in the 2008 DC minivans that will probably be on sale in a few months (February, 2007). :shades:
BTW, nice photos posted by thegraduate as well as the D3 button on the Odyssey not generally known by many people.
The only gear you can't lock the Ody into is 4th. I think 4 and 5 are both OD gears and are very close in ratio, so 4 really wouldn't do much anyway.
I was told by a sales manager at a local DC dealership that the 2008 GC and 2008 T&C will be in dealer showrooms in late January or early February 2007...in like manner that the redesigned 2005 models appeared in early 2006. :shades:
You might try another Odyssey. Those two issues are not typical complaints you hear. Road and tire noise are quite prevalent at highway speed on various pavement, but I never noted wind or engine noise to be notably worse than the competition.
Sienna for one. On most (if not all) of their trim levels. They have since the '05s were released.
That hasn't been my experience with either a noisy door slider (fixed) or noisy brakes (fixed per Honda issued TSB) on our '05 Odyssey.
Both issues resolved immediately upon being mentioned to the service writer at our local Honda dealer. And we didn't even BUY our Honda from this dealer.
Personally, I dunno. I know that there have been occasional issues with the sliders on older Odysseys but (from what I understand) these are usually corrected by cleaning the contacts. Our sliders made a bit of noise not long after purchase but this was due to the fact that we live down a 1 mile unpaved driveway and exessive dust was getting into the exposed portion of the mechanism. I've since taken a little extra care to hose it out when washing the van and applying some additional lube. Problem hasn't reoccured (but I doubt this is an issue with 99% of the Ody's sold).
Having DVD and Navi (and, I assume, a Touring model) you've probably got more 'stuff' to go wrong. Simply for the peace of mind, an extended warrantee may be worth it.
My wife and I opted not to get one on our EX-L. It remains to be seen if that proves to be a wise decision or not.
I do know folks that just plain have more trouble with vehicles than others, so perhaps if you're a ticking time-bomb when it comes to vehicles....go for the warranty and hedge your bets.
The only thing you know FOR SURE about a warranty is that it's absolutely 100% going to cost you $XXXX. If you dont' get the warranty, your covered during the standard warranty and then after that you may or may not have to spend more than $XXXX.
FWIW, we've had zero problems with our doors in 18 months. It's a fairly simple thing really. An electric motor with a reverse sensor. I'd be more concerned about the DVD player or CD-Changer acting up.
Please accept my apology if my assumption is wrong.
I also noticed that no post had been made in the Ody Problems and Solutions board. Just a jump directly into this thread and then.....-poof-.....gone.
rorr, based on what you have seen the slider doors on the Odyssey are pretty reliable?
Edited: After reading post #2760 looks as if I was right... again! :P
True. It's sorta like Blackjack. If you just wing it, you're gonna lose money. If you play by the book, you will almost break even over time. If you also count cards and use a betting strategy, you will probably take home money in the long run.
The same is true for insurance like an extended warranty. If you buy one at list price for a reliable vehicle like a base model 2007 Odyssey LX that is already a few years into its current design, you're almost always gonna lose money. If you get a substantial discount (many factory plans can be found for up to 50% off list online), you may well break even, given the odds of having at least a couple repairs in the period an extended warranty would cover. Maybe you bought a first year Odyssey Touring in 2005 (that year only had 3/36 powertrain warranty standard), NAV/DVD plus all the bells and whistles and you may well come out ahead.
Also consider that Honda's extended warranty adds some other value, like the equivalent of a AAA membership with roadside assistance and such.
Finally, keep in mind that regardless of whether you come out ahead, the dealer always makes money at the time of the sale because their only financial interest is the markup on the plan above the cost from the factory. The manufacturer can also still make money even when you come out ahead, because their cost for labor and parts is much lower than what you would pay out-of-pocket.
I'm not saying extended warranties are a good idea. They're not on most things. I am saying that you can even the odds quite a bit by being smart when making your choice.
The only warranty extension regarding Honda transmissions is for the 2000-2001 Accords, Odyssey, and Preludes, the 2000-2002 (and some '03) Acura TL, and the 2001-2002 (and some '03) Acura CL.
What model/year Honda do you have that Honda is not honoring the warranty extension on?
If there is clearly a warranty on the car, and clear documentation that the transmission:
1.) is covered by said warranty
and
2.)was repaired before said warranty expired
You should have no problem suing and winning the lawsuit on breach of contract, as well as winning for punitive damages (cost of the repair to you), it would be quite clear.
One day the transmission blew, and the dealership said Honda would cover it, but I had to pay labor. I paid the $600, waited a few days, and got my car back.
mr warranty guru agrees;-)
If you meet all the stipulations of the Honda warranty contract, they either repair your vehicle or you start writing letters to your state's consumer affairs department that oversees auto dealers, the state attorney general's office, other related consumer agencies and then file a lawsuit to have your repairs and court costs covered. If you don't meet the letter of the contract, then you obviously haven't told us the whole story and are bashing Honda unfairly.
Honda has done a lot of goodwill for Odyssey transmission failures outside of warranty, jchan2 is one example. I'd think you'd have to be pretty belligerent or just have a bad dealer to be excluded from goodwill repairs if your vehicle wasn't abused or excluded for some other reason.
I applaud your diplomacy, sir. Much better than I could have done.....
-Krissy
CONGRATULATIONS on your BIG snowfall yesterday in Buffalo.
And regarding AWD minivans, Toyota's the only automaker in town now. Although I think if you look hard some GM dealers may still have some left over 2006 AWD Uplanders/Montanas/Terrazas/Relays. I haven't seen many built with AWD though...
As mentioned in an above post, the 8 passenger Odyssey and Sienna are the only two I know of that already have seating for 3 in the 2nd row. I'd say the Sienna is more comfortable, but for kids it may not matter too much. When I was shopping, the 8-passenger Sienna was a fairly stripped down model. We went with the Ody EX-L mainly because of the 8 passenger seating. The middle 2nd row seat can be removed from the Ody whenever you're done with it. I'm not sure how the Sienna 2nd row works.
The current Odyssey and Sienna offer models with 3 across seating in the 2nd row.
In the Sienna, the 3 seats are essentially the same size and do not incorporate armrests. The middle seat in the second row can be positioned several inches further forward (so it can be easily reached by the front seat passenger). The middle seat can removed, but the resulting 2 seats aren't really captains chairs.
In the Ody, the two outer seats ARE full captains chairs and the center seat is much smaller. However, with the armrests folded up, seat comfort in the center +1 seat is actually not nearly as bad as it may look and should be more than adequate for small children. You may want to try it with the kids involved to see how well it works for your situation.
Yes, and considering you only want to do this for about a year or less, it might be the best option!
The 2001 - 2004 T&C LX (with eL or eX option also) is a clone of the Grand Caravan.
The early 2005 Grand Caravan SE did NOT have the "Stow 'N Go" 3rd row seat and those model 3rd row seat could be moved forward to the 2nd row position when 2nd row bench or 2 bucket seats were removed.
The 2005 - 2007 Caravan SXT still has the capability of moving the 3rd row 3 passenger seat (or 50/50 split 3rd row seats) forward when the middle row captain chairs have been removed.
It is true the 2005-2007 Ody EX have seating for 8 since there is a nice, padded, removeable middle arm rest between the outer middle row captain's chairs where the 3rd person can sit in the middle row. The middle position is more comfortable than the rear seat in almost any sedan.
With the 2004-2006 Sienna 8 passenger CE or LE, the 2nd row has 3 seats in the middle row but there are NO armrests for any of the 3 passengers in the middle row.
Depending on the age of your children, some people put one in the front seat, as long as you have the appropriate airbag technology.