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2008 Cadillac CTS

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  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    I'd want anyone I care about and practically anyone I know to have AWD as their daily driver -- I cannot even imagine what would make one of these worse than not having it at all.

    The new CTS AWD will have a performance oriented (rear biased, too) system that, despite the weight penalty, will, I'll wager make the CTS AWD the most capable of the line, under almost all circumstances (excluding off road, of course, since this is NOT the purpose of this vehicle.)

    :shades:
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Only downside is that the General doesn't have a manual AWD tranny so the CTS w/AWD will still only have an AT, but this is common on most AWD systems on vehicles these days.

    -mike
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    6 speed AT, yes?
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    6 speed AT, yes?

    They do have a 6 speed AT w/AWD that is found in the Denali and Escalade that they could probably shoe-horn into the CTS if need be. I'm not certain of the physical setup on that trans/transfer case and would need to see if it could be used on a car-based platform.

    -mike
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    The AWD will only come with a 6-speed automatic from all the reports I read. I was disappointed to learn that. :sick:

    Rocky
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    The AWD will only come with a 6-speed automatic from all the reports I read. I was disappointed to learn that.

    Rocky


    I think the only V8 AWD MTs on the market are the Audis. I don't know of any other AWD V8 on the market anywhere. I think that's only the S4 and S6(maybe?)

    -mike
  • bruceomegabruceomega Posts: 250
    markcincinnati,

    Not trying to go OT with info on BMW, but regarding the performance of AWD versus RWD, according to the BMW brochures the 335 AWD accelerates a bit faster to 60 than the 335 RWD, and the 535 AWD accelerates a bit faster to 60 than the 535 RWD.

    I was surprised by that, and will be curious to see if anything similar occurs on the CTS AWD versus CTS RWD, especially with the higher output engine (for the lower powered 328 and 528 BMWs, the RWD cars accelerate a bit faster than the AWD cars).

    Bruce
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Also any info on the RWD v. AWD 300c acceleration?

    -mike
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    The weight penalty of AWD -- all other things being equal -- explains the tick or two loss of quickness.

    Several manufacturers, Audi being one of them, have demonstrated the cars with AWD can and do perform at the top of the heap, time and again.

    Audi has done similar things with diesel.

    The point is well taken, AWD does add weight. Weight, generally speaking is NOT good.

    Yet there are performance "gets" for the weight "gives" -- and in the best desgined and executed systems, you "gets" more than you "gives."

    Cadillac, practically speaking, with the CTS that you and I might end up with is probably not claiming they will bring a CTS to market with AWD that will be as quick as the one with only RWD.

    For many of us, however, we will appreciate the overall package with AWD more than the one with only RWD.
  • jpennjpenn Posts: 68
    Ok, now we're really getting way off the subject of the 2008 CTS but here my real life story which took place just yesterday in Beautiful Upstate Central New York. You be aware that we received apprx. 12-14 inches of wet heavy snow yesterday (it's still snowing today, by the way). It happens that I had an appt. to take my 2002 Acura MDX in for some work and was given a new FWD Acura TL as a loaner. The trip to the dealership in my MDX was not pleasant but was no big deal it got through every type of snow hazard without a problem. Coming home was a completely different story. The TL was very skittish on snow covered up hills and was impossible on my uphill driveway ( I had to wait for the plow guy in order to get into the garage).

    The point of all of this is that I will not consider an 08 CTS without AWD even if it weighs more and is outperformed by RWD simply because in the real world scenario I need it.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Ok, now we're really getting way off the subject of the 2008 CTS but here my real life story which took place just yesterday in Beautiful Upstate Central New York. You be aware that we received apprx. 12-14 inches of wet heavy snow yesterday (it's still snowing today, by the way).

    I too was upstate yesterday around albany. I saw no less than 20 cars off the road on the Northway and NYS Thruway. Funniest one of all was a NYS Trooper sitting down an embankment in the center median. He wasn't a happy camper!

    Alas back to the 2008 CTS. Any word on the CTS V?

    -mike
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Any word on the CTS V?

    Good question........ ;)

    Rocky
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,708
    Several manufacturers, Audi being one of them, have demonstrated the cars with AWD can and do perform at the top of the heap, time and again.

    Audi and a couple of others make proper systems. And they work very well. I highly recommend a Subaru or Audi. But almost everyone else makes systems that are "all-wheel-drive" in name only. They just don't work as well as they should and give people a false sense of security. This is like putting a deadbolt on your door and leaving the non-reinforced wood frame still there.

    Well, gosh - they kicked the door in in 2 seconds regardless of your new fancy security feature. AWD systems that are half-baked implementations of the technology, mostly to save the cost of a second transfer case are also similarly ineffective in an emergency.

    So let's see... CTS with all-wheel drive(FWD biased because of the automatic transmission, most likely) versus RWD and stickshift. No-brainer decision.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    So let's see... CTS with all-wheel drive(FWD biased because of the automatic transmission, most likely) versus RWD and stickshift. No-brainer decision.

    WHY DO YOU KEEP SAYING IT WILL HAVE A FWD BIAS?

    Look at the 300c, 4-Matic, BMW, and several other vehicles that are RWD based cars. Guess what? They have a RWD or 50/50 bias.

    This is also not an AWD discussion, so let's put that aside.

    -mike
    Motorsports and Tuning Host
  • plektoplekto Posts: 3,708
    I still have no faith in GM of all companies to put the R&D into making a proper AWD system on a car. They haven't so far on their past attempts.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Do some reading on the Holden AWD system. It will give you insight to the GM AWD on a RWD Platform.

    -mike
  • markcincinnatimarkcincinnati Posts: 5,049
    It is likely that other than 0-to-something that the RWD will outperform the AWD CTS. Relax.
  • jimbresjimbres Posts: 2,025
    ...that AWD has much to offer me once the temperature rises above freezing & the snow goes away. In my NYC suburb, there are no more than 10 days in any given year when AWD confers real value. I can work at home on those days, but if I have to go out, the family stable includes a 4WD Honda CR-V. Given that, why should I put up with the cost, complexity & performance hit that come with AWD?

    I'm at least 2 years away from replacing my RWD BMW 330i. If I do pick the CT-S (& I like the little that I've seen so far), then make mine a 6-speed manual RWD.
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    ...that AWD has much to offer me once the temperature rises above freezing & the snow goes away. In my NYC suburb, there are no more than 10 days in any given year when AWD confers real value. I can work at home on those days, but if I have to go out, the family stable includes a 4WD Honda CR-V. Given that, why should I put up with the cost, complexity & performance hit that come with AWD?

    I'm at least 2 years away from replacing my RWD BMW 330i. If I do pick the CT-S (& I like the little that I've seen so far), then make mine a 6-speed manual RWD.


    That's cool you can definitely pick up the 6-speed MT, if they make a 6-speed MT in a non-CTSV version.

    As for living in a NYC Suburb, so do I! Amazingly we have completely contrasting views on this, but that's the beauty of America!

    -mike
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,571
    I tend to agree, I have lived in the midwest all but a few years of my life and the years I didn't live here I was in Alaska. I have only had a few times when a RWD car would have been no good. Most of those times an AWD sedan would have been useless too.

    What really amazes me is all the AWD cars in ditches right after a major snow fall.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

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