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Saturn Ion Starting Problems

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  • meronmeron Posts: 21
    oblio9
    Great video! Picture worth a thousand words! This should clear up any questions about the process.

    Anyone with cold starting issues should watch this video!

    Last year when it first got cold people were writing in about Ions not starting; it's the same this year. You can re-attach the wires when it warms up if you like, as when trading or selling your car. Really the only issue is the yellow 'pass-lock' icon staying lit on the dash.

    Thanks oblio9!

    meron
  • I used to have start up problems on my 2005 Saturn Ion 1. I brought the car to the dealer and told him I was having start up problems. Before I could say anything else he knew exactly what was wrong and they fixed it with my routine oil change. I haven't had a problem since and that was 2 years ago. I don't remember the exact explanation but I remember reading about this on another message board. Something to do with the lubrication that was only tested down south in warm temperatures?
  • Hi everyone,just want to let you know that on my saturn after I replaced the new switch never start again untill put the old one back and re-program it and I was able to start my saturn ,so right after I got it started cut the white wire and temperatures in conn.has been on the single digits and it starts right on with no problems,but I will put a on and off switch for summer time and to bring it to emission wich is every 2 years.So to all of you with this recomendation THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ;)
  • PIBPIB Posts: 2
    I own a 2005 Ion with the same problem. One suggested solution which didn't work for me was the idea of leaving the key in the ignition. I'm in Canada so have to deal with the Saturn Canada crowd and, while they sound helpful, haven't come up with a solution. It seems to me that a recall is the only answer but how do we get them to move????
  • I had this problem last year and I called Saturn to complain. After telling them about all the research that I had done and know that this is a problem they know about but won't fix, they told me they would fix my ignition switch for $100.00. If I remember correctly the quote I had got to fix it was about $150.00 so they really didn't do too much. Just so you know, I did report my problem on the phone and in writing. I don't think this will do much good unless EVERYONE calls to complain. By the way, since ingition switch was replaced last winter it has always started since then. We have had several days of below zero temps and so far no problems this winter, but I have a feeling that it is just a matter of time.
  • Hello,

    Thanks to everyone who's posted to this forum. It's been very helpful.

    My husband and I have a 2003 Ion and have been experiencing this cold start problem for three winters now. Initially we had it into the shop over and over again. They replaced the battery and checked out the starter - never finding anything wrong. We've been going to a new mechanic in the last year or two (who's fantastic - will never go back to the Saturn dealer) and he replaced the ignition switch this past October. Nothing helped and the problem was getting worse - happening nearly every day this winter.

    After reading this forum, we realized it was definitely a problem with the passlock system. We investigated the bypass module and then read that it wouldn't work without a remote starter installed. We also read about cutting the white wire, but weren't really comfortable doing that.

    So, we had a remote starter installed about two weeks ago. I explained the problem to the shop that did the installation and they suggested adding new keyless entry (we already have manufacturer's remotes) which would allow us to completely bypass the manufacturer's security system. The car has started up every time since - and it's been below freezing here in Chicago all but one day in the last two weeks. It was well worth the $325 we paid for it.

    I hope this post is helpful to another frustrated Ion owner. I will never buy another Saturn after this. We were about to get rid of the car, which we just paid off. I'm happy to be able to keep it now.

    I have not yet, but definitely plan to call Saturn and file a complaint about this. Good luck!
  • dy37dy37 Posts: 1
    Thanks for the solution meron and the video how-to oblio9. I just cut my wife's white wire (2004 Ion II) after at least a dozen no starts in January. Thanks to you guys, and the others who reported on the success of the white-wire method, my total expenditure was $1.99 for a bag of assorted wire caps.

    I can't report that the problem is solved since I just cut the wire; I'll report back (surprised) if the problem recurs. Last week, I tried waiting for the passlock light to go out before turning the key all the way to 'on' and also tried leaving the key in the ignition overnight. I experienced a no-start on the first attempt for both methods.

    Thanks again.
  • ricirici Posts: 7
    All of you who have cut the white wire, please let me know how it is going for you...if it is starting all the time or if you are experiencing the no-start problem still occassionally. I want to do this, and the video was WONDERFUL, but people i mention it to (who dont have a Saturn or this problem) tell me I am crazy to cut wires.
    But, if you tell me it is really working..especially those in the NorthEast, where it has been a cold winter so far, I will cross my fingers and go for it! The non-starting is getting to be too much, especially at 6:30 am each day.
  • PIBPIB Posts: 2
    rice,

    See post # 215 for someone who cut the wire in 2007 and no problem since.
  • I cut the wire. its been like 2 months now. I live in minnesota. we have been below zero for like 3 weeks straight, and my car has started everytime since cutting it. Don't listen to your friends who say you are crazy to cut wires. it is the best thing to do if you own this stupid car. actually I can finally appreciate the car since fixing this problem. I haven't had any other problems to fix
  • Yes it works.

    I had problems for a year, cut the wire about a month ago. No problems since. I live in Canada where it is cold. Car works 100% now definatly the fix.
  • Hi,
    A friend of mine is a mechanic and he found out that Saturn has a bulletin out about this repair. The Bulletin Number is 04-08-45-005D and it's titled Ignition System - No Crank / No Start / DTC's B2960/B3033. it's dated March 15, 2006. Covering Models: 2003-2006 Saturn ION. I called up the dealership that I bought my car from and asked if their was any kind of problem with the ION's? He said no, I then asked to speak to the service manager and he said he was the service Manager. Lots of help they are. Call Saturn and let them know about the Bulletin. Hope this helps.
    Mikeey1
  • Hi,
    I have an automatic start and it doesn't help at all.
    Mikeey1
  • ricirici Posts: 7
    Thank you, thank you for the wonderful video. We just came in from cutting the wire, and I have high hopes. Of course, today it is 50 degrees out, so it started right away, but still plenty of winter still to come here in PA.
    The video showed us exactly what to do, and not hard at all.
    After the next cold snap, if the car keeps starting in the mornings, we will nominate you for sainthood!
  • ricirici Posts: 7
    Cut the wire and now it keeps flashing "Service vehicle" Does that stop after a while?
  • oblio9oblio9 Posts: 19
    Nope. It does that forever. The only way around it is to get someone to install a bypass for a remote starter. From what I have read it sounds like the part would cost you ~$60 and then whatever a shop charges you to install it. Unless you know how to do it. I looked at that and it looked a fair bit more complicated than cutting the wire and I can live with the service light.
  • The service vehicle comes on at every start up. Push the milage button once and it goes away untill the next start. The yellow passlock light stays on all the time. Just ignore it or put a piece of black tape over it.
  • :P Well I bucked up and took it to Saturn. I do not know cars enough to "cut the white wire" myself. So I paid $200 bucks for a new ingintion switch. I asked them if I have this problem 15 months from now will I be covered? Mechanic said, "Probably". Well its fixed for now. I can finally go out to my car and know it will start. I talked to the mechanic about everything we have addressed here.
    Only in Cold weather, wait 15 minutes and it will start.
    If it is broke it will stay broke. You know what i mean? Not start later eventually. Which means it is an electrical problem. They didn't charge me for the Diagnostic because DUH, I already knew.

    2 error messages:
    "44 times theft" - which meant if it didn't start, the car thought someone was breaking in.

    something else about not reading something but "valid".

    Well good luck to all, Amber a Saturn owner.
  • ricirici Posts: 7
    Good Luck Amber. We had the ignition switch changed and it still wouldnt start. I do hope that you have better luck with that than we did.
    Let us know.
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