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Half-ton Pickups - The full field

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  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I'm impartial. I'm just helping you out in pointing out the problems with the past and current Tundra and it's not the perfect truck some think of it to be.

    A truck is a truck is a truck. As long as it does what you want it to, that to me is what it is for. Course some do it better than others but at what price and for perceived reliability.

    What do I own? '03 Ranger, '05 Titan, '02 Yukon Denali. What do I use to haul or pull heavy loads? A '02 Dodge 3500 van. It will carry more than any of my trucks or a Tundra for that matter. Try loading a pallet of Quikrete in any half ton and I'm sure you will be looking at a bent frame.
  • Do you really thing that will mess up my truck? I loaded it with 3 Refridgerators and it handled prewtty well.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I've seen a lot of strange things at Home Depot. One was a pallet of quikrete loaded onto a Ford ranger. The ranger was riding on its mudflaps. The forklift driver asked the owner are you sure you can haul the load safely? The reply was no problem. Course his mudflaps will be shorter when he arrived at wherever he needed to get to unless he broke down on the way there.

    Another incident was when a driver of a late model 1500 Dodge Ram told the forklift driver to place the pallet of 12" block tile over the rear tires and it will be ok. Course he didn't remove the tailgate forcing the forklift driver to place the load toward the rear of the bed then pushing it further in over the rear tires. Watching as he did this (I'm the curious type). I noticed that the gap between the cab and the bed opened about 2". The truck owner standing to the side didn't notice so I told him you might want to remove the load and check your truck.

    When the driver removed the pallet, the 2" gap didn't move back to its original position. The result? One Dodge truck with a bent frame. Needless to say the owner was pissed. Would've been cheaper for him to rent the 2500 GMC Home Depot has than to have ruined his truck. Course he could have a body shop try and rebend the frame. But what good is that at this point?

    Three refrigerators weigh at most 1000 lbs unless we're talking double door humongous. A pallet of quikrete is 40 bags x 60 lbs. + the weight of the pallet making it well over a ton. I wouldn't try that on any half ton even if it could carry the load would it be able to stop it safely? And why risk a bent frame on a new truck when you can rent one for $20 an hour?
  • Thanks for the look out. I had never really thoght about the frame bending in that spot. What do you think a bout a trailer to hall stuff? good looking out. :)
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Not a towing expert here but you can check this site for advice.

    http://www.uhaul.com/tips/towing.aspx
  • OBYONE,It is kinda nice that you post your links about the Tundra,still waiting for you to post links to the Rams 8 recalls last year ,as a matter of fact please post links to recalls and problems from the medium 2.5 and compare them to the Tundra please, :P
  • For years we heard how bad dodges were, from chevy and ford people, of course, but the folks we knew that had them didnt seem to have many problems with them. after owning fords for 20 years and the dealer and ford really sticking it to us on a windstar and two of our f150s, we converted every thing except the new holland tractors, from ford to dodge. we have a 2003 RAM 1500 with 93,000 miles, a 2004 1500 with 67,000 miles, and a 2005 3500 with 51,000. Weve only had the 2004 in to the dealer once for a blown instrument cluster, the other two Rams have never had to go back to the dealer for anything. i don't know how much better a toyoto tundra could be, but a few months ago i read in the corning paper about frames rusting through on toyota trucks. compared to our ford trucks the rAms have been terrifically reliable trucks that work all day and night on our farm and ranch operation. and none of our rams have been recalled either, so i dont know where that's coming from.

    morgan
  • I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY RECALLS ON MY TRUCK EITHER. :P :P :P :shades:
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    There have been six recalls on RAM going back to 2002:

    1. 2002-2006 ANZO replacement lamps do not have an amber side reflector.

    2. 2002-2006 CK Motorsports replacement lamps do not have a side reflector.

    3. 2004 alternator harness may rub on valve cover stud (4.7 motor only).

    4. 2002-2003 Aftermarket batteries may leak electrolyte onto an ABS connector and cause ABS circuit failure.

    5. 2003 PCM Software fault with Cummins diesel engines and manual transmissions may experience elevated idle speed after extended cruise control use.

    6. 2002 Certain 4X4 versions the rear axle flange weld could fatigue and allow the brake caliper assembly to rotate.

    I believe the frame rusting issue is on the Tacoma pickup models. I know of one 2002 that you can stick your finger through the frame rails in certain areas. I've not heard of this problem associated with the Tundra.

    Someone mentioned the supposed infallibility of Toyota. I can testify that on each occasion to Hoselton Toyota, where we bought our '99 Avalon, I have seen at least one Tundra with the transmission out being repaired or rebuilt. Our Avalon has had the transmission apart twice now for irratic shifting. Coupled with having to replace all of the fuel injectors (one twice), the oil sludge problem, weird electrical problems, wheels corroded through causing leaks and eventual replacement (at $380 a piece!!!), six sway bar links ($100 a piece), and a fish pond of water in the damn trunk, the last thing I mention to anybody is Toyota reliability.

    Dusty
  • So now we are comparing the entire Toyota lineup to the Ram? Are you sure you want to compare Toyota to Chrysler? any how check this out , .......Forbes' Dan Lienert studied the NHTSA's recall numbers for 2006 models and compiled a list of the most recalled vehicles sold in the U.S. The worst? The 2006 Dodge Ram with a total of seven recalls. It was recalled for a bad brake control unit, a defective front suspension, potentially faulty airbags and transfer cases, possibly bad seatbelts, defective rearview mirrors and missing exterior lighting. We're not sure that includes the Ram recall we told you about last month. Second place also went to Dodge, with the Durango scoring six recalls..........There are cheap recalls and there are expensive recalls. Luckily for the Chrysler Group the current recall of 86,333 '06 Dodge Rams built between Nov. 7, 2005, and April 27, 2006 amounts to little more than adding grease to wheel bearings. Unfortunately for 2006 Ram owners if this issue is left unchecked it can lead to road noise and vibration and can eventually result in a loss of control and a crash. please feel free to bring up toyota recalls , as i will gladly plaster this forum with Chryslers Turds.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    "as i will gladly plaster this forum with Chryslers Turds."

    My, my a bit touchy aren't we? Name calling? Threats? Why don't you go ahead and plaster? Don't let anyone stop you. Just remember Toyota is the leader in recalls right now. On the famous Toyota sludge you're looking at over 2.2 million vehicles.

    We haven't even mention the 4 star crash rating on the new Tundra from the NHTSA sending the Toyota engineers back to the drawing board confused as ever since they did a similar test and according to Toyota should have passed the NHTSA with a 5 star rating.
  • :shades: :) Go OBYONE GO!!!!!!!!!!!
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    The one suspension item on the 2500 that you mentioned is not associated with a factory equiped item, but a suspension component (pitman arm) part of an aftermarket lift kit.

    But, if recalls are your criterion for despise I wouldn't be belittling any other make if you're a Toyota lover.
  • LOL,I give up,you must realy think people are stupid ,Why would Dodge recall their products if it is an after market part?And are you telling me that every one just happen to install that same part? :P :confuse: So now we are going to ignore my facts about dodge ram 8 recalls in one year?pathetic! please provide some facts about toyota having the must recalls,Dont bother ,Here you go :P ...................This one almost slipped past us as we readied for the weekend, but Ford announced a big recall today, involving 3.6 million vehicles with a faulty cruise control switch that could potentially cause a fire. This is essentially a follow-up to the January recall involving 6 mil light trucks for basically the same concern. :lemon: ..........In case you're counting, and we know some of you are, this is sixth recall for speed control system concerns by Ford since 1999. Altogether there have been 10.4 million vehicles involved.
    Again please give some info on toyota 10 plus million recalls, If they are leader in recalls,..I have a lot more from Chrysler and Chevy, But i will let you embarrass yourself first ;)
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Obyone,

    Since I've had the pleasure to see this once in my life, I would bet that the frame is not what was bent, but that the rear box mounts got crushed.

    Best regards,

    Dusty
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    True that never crossed my mind nor the mind of that distraught Dodge owner. Hopefully that was the case as the repair cost would have been minimal as compared to his stress level.
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Just curious, but did you ever own a GM product?

    A recommendation: instead of sporting a morally superior attitude, maybe a little humility might allow for intelligent and meaningful discourse.

    Here are some of those facts you mentioned but obviously missed yourself:
    ____________________________________________________________
    http://www.automotive.com/2006/49/dodge/ram-2500/recalls/60003.html

    07E009000 - SUSPENSION

    Recall Date:
    FEB 01, 2007

    Model Affected:
    2006 DODGE RAM 2500

    Summary:
    CERTAIN LKI ENTERPRISES, INC., BRAND NAME SUPERLIFT SUSPENSION, PITMAN ARMS SOLD AS REPLACEMENT EQUIPMENT FOR 2003-2007 DODGE RAM 2500 AND 3500 4X4 LIGHT TRUCKS. DUE TO INADEQUATE HEAT TREATMENT DURING PRODUCTION, THE AFFECTED PITMAN ARMS MAY DEVELOP CRACKS IN THE UPPER SPLINED ATTACHMENT ATTACHMENT TO THE STEERING OUTPUT SHAFT. MOVEMENT BETWEEN THE PITMAN ARM AND THE OUTPUT SHAFT MAY DEFORM SPLINES, RESULTING IN PREMATURE WEAR AND FATIGUE FAILURE OF THE AFFECTED PITMAN ARM.

    Consequence:
    PITMAN ARM WEAR OR FAILURE MAY LEAD TO LOSS OF VEHICLE CONTROL, POSSIBLY RESULTING IN A VEHICLE CRASH.

    Remedy:
    LKI WILL NOTIFY OWNERS AND REPLACE THE PITMAN ARM, IF NECESSARY. THE RECALL IS EXPECTED TO BEGIN DURING FEBRUARY 2007. OWNERS MAY CONTACT LKI AT 1-800-551-4955.

    Potential Units Affected:
    3350

    Notes:
    L.K.I. ENTERPRISES, INC. 07-01PIT

    In addition, the Transfer Case recall only affected 136 units. This "recall," by the way, never made it to individual owners because all of the affected trucks were corrected by dealers before they were delivered to buyers.

    _________________________________________________

    Flatly stated, there shouldn't be any recalls on any model vehicle. There are different ways to consider recalls and the commensurate gravity of them. The number of recalls per year by a manufacturer, per model, the quantity of vehicles affected, whether the defect was an assembly, design or a component quality problem, and the seriousness of the defect. If you are going to play the raw numbers game, be careful. That technique has the maturity level of arguing that someone is less guilty of stealing because they stole less than someone else.

    Some may wish to distract attention away from Toyota's fallibility’s in other areas by concentrating on other manufacturers flaws, such as recalls in this case. But that sophomoric approach could come back to bite you.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    "It would be accurate to say that there have been enough issues with Toyota in the past couple of years that they don't have the spotless image they had a couple of years ago," said Karl Brauer, editor in chief of Edmunds.com, an automotive research Web site.
  • BLAH,BLAH, BLAH ,A recall is a recall,There is no other way to put it, You keep talking about Toyota fallibility ,Compare to who? Thats what This is about,how can toyota be crap if everyone else is no better?...........General Motors: -73% at 1.4 million recalls (2005: 5 million)
    Ford Motor Company: -71% at 1.7 million recalls (2005: 6 million)
    Chrysler Group: 200% at 2.3 million recalls (2005: 765,777)
    Nissan North America: 83% at 1.3 million recalls (2005: 709,838......Toyota, for instance, finished 2006 with 814,507 recalls, far fewer than the over 2 million that were issued in 2005........Toyota:
    2.5 million US sales, 0.81 million US recalls, 32% recall rate

    GM:
    4.1 million US sales, 1.4 million US recalls, 34% recall rate

    Ford:
    2.9 million US sales, 1.7 million US recalls, 58% recall rate

    DaimlerChrysler:
    2.4 million US sales, 2.3 million US recalls, 96% recall rate
  • :lemon: I don't really think anybody is trying to say Toyota is crap but that there is no reason you should be totally against American made TRUCKS. It's all a matter of personal opinion and which truck you like better for yourself. :)
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