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1971 Cadillac Fleetwood

nessie1nessie1 Posts: 2
edited March 7 in Cadillac
After nearly 30 years of mutual respect, my lovely
1971 Cadillac Fleetwood 60 Special Brougham and I
are parting company. The impending move to AZ and
condo living there just do not provide for her.
Here's the dilemma: she has but 37K miles, has
never been out of the garage after Labor Day or
before Memorial Day, is in beautiful condition (#2,
I would guess). All original. I have not the
faintest idea of what to ask for her or how to
market her. Any suggestions? Thanks very much for
your assistance.
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  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    You might ask $5,995 and see what happens. I'd take any cash offer in that vicinity were I the owner, down to maybe $4,500 or so.
  • nessie1nessie1 Posts: 2
    Thanks very much for the information. I'll take your advice. Maybe I'll get lucky, there will be no takers, and I'll just have to take her with me.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    The cleaner you can make it, inside and out, the better the chances. Put all your effort into cosmetics.
  • ls1v8ls1v8 Posts: 34
    God love 'em. 2 1/2 tons of rolling steel. I think I lost my vir...er, wallet, (yeah that's what it was) in my Dads 71 Caddy!

    Infact, it was so big, on a family vacation, I think my little brother got lost in there too. Took two days to find him. ;)
  • tbonekirtbonekir Posts: 1
    sorry guys a little off the subject, i just purchased a 1989 eldorado with 60000 miles it is in pristine condition and would like to knw what u think about it? any problems that are common, what to watch for suggestions on improving? Any feedback would be mutch appreciated!!
    -eldo'llac
  • corlt1corlt1 Posts: 29
    Make sure you go to the dealer and buy the radiator pellets for $6.00 and add them to the radiator as directed. The 4.1, 4.5 and 4.9 liter Cadillacs had a problem with the different expansion and contraction rates of the cast iron cylinder heads and the aluminum engine blocks. This caused a problem known as (cylinder head) "gasket walk", which left untreated causes the gasket to leak and blow. Cadillac found out early with the 4.1 liters to add nikelsil (sounds like nickle seal) to the porous water jackets so that won't be a problem.

    Mine used a lot of oil up to 67,000 miles and then after driving it hard, the rings finally seated and the oil consumption actually got better and it consistantly went 3,000 miles without using any oil.

    Watch the lower crankshaft pulley as it is only pressed onto the crankshaft. When oil leaks on it, it could become cocked on an angle, or even come loose.

    If you a low spongy brake pedal, it usually comes from a poor adjustment of the rear disc brake emergency cables. Rather then explain the fix, it's best to take it to the dealer, not a tire place or a gas station. Take my word on this.
    Good luck as this is a good quiet smooth riding car.
  • voyager18voyager18 Posts: 3
    Am considering buying a 1988 Brougham in excellent shape. It has 22K miles only. Had one owner. Dealer is asking $7,770. Can anyone make comments on the car, asking price, etc.? Thank you.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    Nice ride for not a lot of money, but the price is way, way too high....about double actual market value.
  • voyager18voyager18 Posts: 3
    Thanks for the reply. Drove the car today. It is actually an '87. Super shape in and out. Drove well but seemed to take a while to reach 6o miles/hr - you could not hear it "roar" or change gears as you do in other cars.Is this normal?

    Dealer came down to only $7,500 (we offered $5,500) but looks like they will come down a little more. + they offer 90 days (or 4000 miles) warranty What is a fair price? The online Kelley Blue Book does not go further down than '88 and market value with the options and mileage was about $4,300.However on Edmunds, the '87, taking into account the leather seats and power passenger seat plus 50% of value for low mileage, comes up to $6,000. Confusing...
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    About $3,500 is normal market price, and you could add I suppose a 10-20% premium for exceptional condition or mileage. There's really no such thing as 50% markup for low mileage, except in the dealer's dreams..certainly $4,500 is all the money in the world for the car. Keep in mind that these cars behave as used cars, not collectibles, in that the older they get the cheaper they are...you hang tough at your offer and the dealer might get tired of looking at the car.
  • tucsonjwttucsonjwt Posts: 283
    buying an old Cadillac to get a better riding vehicle. In Arizona, we don't have to get emissions checks on vehicles 1966 or older, so I am looking for a model year in the 1960 -1966 range.
    What model year/body style would you recommend? What should I watch out for when examining potential purchases of 1960s vintage Cadillacs?
    Thanks.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    Hmmm...let me think about that one for a minute.....


    I guess I'd have to say the 1965 model...it's a redesign from the 1964 and much handsomer, and the cleanest of the 1965-69 types. Also a very decent performer, and well-built, too.
  • speedshiftspeedshift Posts: 1,598
    I vaguely remember reading something about the '64 engines being troublesome. I think that was the first year for the 429. Also the first year for the 3-speed Turbo-Hydramatic, I think. An acquaintance had one for a brief time, before he ran over a fire hydrant with it, and it was a remarkably smooth, quiet car with plenty of power. I've always been partial to the '61s and '62s, since they look almost downsized compared to other Cads of that vintage.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,601
    I always thought the design was clean and crisp, and like the way the wheel cutout flows all the way to the bumper, kind of like a 1957-58 DeSoto or Chrysler. They look especially cool as hearses!!
    -Andre
  • is in my opinion the best styled & engineered car of that era. I own a '65 DeVille Convertible & it drives flawlessly. The styling is so distinctive & is what a Caddy should look like. I wish I was old enough to buy one when they were new. This body style has received many accolades from enthusiasts & has been compared to the '41 for it's elegant fresh style & full length egg crate grill, along with the vertically stacked headlights makes it a real standout. My father owned a few Cadillacs from the '50 & '60s the one I remember was his'64 sedan DeVille, a beautiful car in it's own right, but it does not compare to the '65. So if you can afford the gas, go for it! But..whatever you do don't buy a rustbucket any car can cost a mint to restore find one in good shape, as I did!
  • Want to sell 71 de Ville, looks great, runs good, has small Ex manifold leak. I would rather buy '94 -'96 Fleetwood than fix. It is dark blue with vinyl top, no rust, CA-TX car. Located in Ohio now, never driven on ice or salt.
  • rea98drea98d Posts: 982
    Personally, I like the 59 ElDorados better than any other model Caddilac. I'm partial to chrome, tail fins, and whitewalls.
  • It is a well-liked car, actually, but I think more as a Tribute to Excess than for any real admirable qualities. It's kind of worshipped for its complete outrageousness--the Elvis of collectible cars, if you will.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,601
    ...in an outrageous way like Mr. Shiftright said. I certainly wouldn't thumb my nose at one if it showed up on my doorstep one night! Personally I like the '57's and the '61-62's the best. They're just cleaner and more elegant to me.

    After 1963, they started looking more and more conservative, but I've always admired the big RWD Caddies, right up until the bitter end.

    -Andre
  • Did anyone read up on the ultra luxury sedan, 1957-1960 Fleetwood Eldorado in last issue's Automobile magazine? They said that the cost of the car is somewhat higher that an average-priced upscale home. Now that car was ahead of its time. Imagine if we have such a Cadillac to this day. It would maybe be around from $250,000 to $350,000 today.

    Cadillac of yesterday was the most sought after automobile in history for a long time in the 40s, 50s, 60s, and 70s. I like the early 40s, '65-'70 Fleetwood 60 special, '68-'69 Fleetwood Eldorado, and 49 Coupe Deville, '65-'69 Sedan Devilles, '65-'71 Eldorado, and '76-'79 Seville. Every time I see an old Cadillac, I always catching myself staring at the car.

    Today's luxury cars all blend to one another, except the Deville and Eldorado currently, but never been the most sought after for a long time like Cadillac. Maybe Mercedes and BMW currently may be the most sought afters but just started since early in the 90s with Mercedes now with BMW but may not be for long. Now back to what I was saying, if you were not a car enthusiast back then, you can tell what a Cadillac looks like because they were very distinctive.

    Too bad that fuel shortage, bad leadership within GM, quality control issues and among other things missed up Cadillac in the 80s. I like just about all the eighties Cadillacs and thought they looked good too just like the earlier 90s models before the pre-Northstar Caddies.

    Personally I don't think the future (next-generation) Cadillacs will be the most sought after but will be very cool again. Lets face, the luxury automakers have been very fierce and competitive in the car market for several years now. Interesting times, huh folks.

    I own an '84 Cimarron which has dark blue interior and exterior. I don't drive it much now since I drive another car but it is a classic true enough.

    I am a huge Cadillac fan. I was not old enough to take interests in Cadillacs up until late 80s to early 90s.
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