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Preludes are plenty practical. Integra's hatch makes it just a little moreso, but remember that 200hp power! Thus, RSX is so practical, it may not even be fun. But remember, these all have FWD, thus you can hit the Reuther Expressway (I-696) all year long.
I'm getting the idea here that some people think 200hp is not enough. That S2000 has spoiled you! Man!
Two other observations: cheapo rental Focus is ewwwwww. nyccarguy is definitely authentic. NiCE 'LuDz!!!
mutter mutter stupid ingrained tar pellet mutter mutter gotta get me a car bra sometime mutter.
It's not so much the 200hp as the 156ftlbs torque in a car that pretty much weighs 3200lbs with the driver. (Type SH is what, around 3050lbs?) The S2000 and heck, even the Focus and Corolla, kind of spoil you to lighter cars, and the Prelude could use 150lbs of weight reduction. This gets me thinking about how unhappy I'd be if I ever traded in the S2k for a 350Z. Performance cars should be under 3000lbs; that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Since the K's spin in the opposite direction as a H22a4, putting one under a Prelude's hood would require more engineering than it's worth.
The JDM Prelude Type-S cranked out ~220HP. There was some speculation that the 2001 US Prelude would get the full Type-S treatment (w/ LSD, subtle body kit, auto climate control) as a kind of "farewell package," but American Honda (bozos) didn't think the demand would warrant the expense. Bummer.
About the 2.4 liter engine, Honda's starting to tune it fairly nicely. The new Accord Type R in Japan will have a version of it producing 240 hp. If the Prelude were still alive, that engine would be a wonderful underhood replacement for the 2.2 liter...well, for those it won't scare with its strength anyway.
Mike
I won't be happy if the next Prelude becomes basically a S2000 coupe.
Prelude is not = S2000.
As for the 350Z, it's heavy enough! They should have given it ZX styling, and I would be all sold on it! >:(
On my way down while dashing through the great state of Delaware, I was driving next to a beautiful white 3rd gen Prelude Si. It was White w/ white wheels (which are nice, but I'll take the unpainted ones for maintenance purposes). It was in grogeous condition.
You can really see where the 5th generation gets its styling cues from when you see a pristine 3rd generation like the one I saw. Long hood, short roof & reart deck. The long, skinny tail lights.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
himiler: Yeah, the 220hp JDM Type S engine with auto climate control would have been a nice last hurrah for us. Does the JDM Type S have LSD? I thought it had ATTS in the front coupled with 4WS in the rear.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I've been punishing the Prelude a bit over the last few days on hard curves and am enjoying ATTS a great deal. I find myself wondering whether it should make sense on a RWD or AWD drivetrain. Imagine AWD with ATTS both up front and down back. That car would stay on curves no matter what.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Is the Quattro AWD incorporting an active torque transfer system from the inside out, or is it simply reacting to wheel slip if and when it occurs?
Quattro is a 100% active system. It anticipates when and if a wheel will slip. It transfers power rearward upon acceleration from a stop. It transfers power to the outside wheels when cornering. Check it out on the audiusa.com website or on vw.com (4Motion). It truly is the most sophisticated AWD system on the market.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I went to audiusa.com and couldn't find any detailed Quattro specs - any links?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Also, how does the LSD in the CL Type S (6 speed) compare to the ATTS found in the Prelude (Type SH)? Is it that the ATTS is always active while the LSD waits for a wheel to slip in order to activate? I know the LSD helps launch the car better (260hp is A LOT for FWD).
Don't worry guys, I'm not defecting, just curious;) Besides, if I had the money for a CL Type S 6 speed, I'd rather spend the money on an S2000 or a BMW 325Ci.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Now, about the VTEC. I'm not sure about the 3.2 motor, but all the other cars you mention use VTEC/i-VTEC on both the intake AND exhaust sides, except for the '02 Si, which is i-VTEC on the intake valves only.
The LSD in the CL-S compares favorably to ATTS. Yes, it does require a small amount of wheelspin to begin re-routing torque, but that's not to say that it's any less "active" than ATTS. ATTS requires real-time input from a whole bunch of sensors for its operation, so it doesn't really "anticipate" what's coming any more than a mechanical LSD, although its reaction/action time is quicker.
Unlike ATTS, a true LSD does help launch the car better, and is a traction device when the car is driven on slick or loose surfaces. Also, a helical-type LSD (as found in the CL-S) weighs only 4-5lbs. more than the stock differential, requires no maintenance, and will never quit on you due to a sensor or processing glitch (most commonly provoked by wheelspin).
Evidently, Honda decided that ATTS wasn't worth the effort and expense for the CL-S and went the LSD route.
In my car, the LSD is beautiful -- understeer and torque-steer are history, and the car's neutral attitude and progressive oversteer are countered only my instinct of self-preservation. When cornering hard, there's no additional resistance from the front wheels being felt thru the steering wheel. The car almost feels like it would guide itself thru the turn if I were to let go of the wheel. Lots of fun!
It definitely sounds as if the LSD has more real world applications than ATTS. It also is far less complicated. (I wonder how much a burnt out ATTS unit will cost to replace out of warranty;)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Tomorrow morning I'm going to get up early and run my Prelude through the car wash. I would hand wash it but there are still drought restrictions here in the NYC metro area (even though it has been raining a lot this summer). I'm going to gingerly drive it home from the car wash and put a coat of Klasse Auto Polish on. I hope I can make it home before it gets too hot!
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I abhor automatic car washes for a couple of reasons. The biggest, of course, are clearcoat scratches. Also, my leased 5th gen got a number of swirl/scratch/fade marks on the alloys because of car washes, although that was a base model and scratches really show through on those reflective rims... when I do need an automatic wash, I usually use the local touchless wash which sprays some chemical on the car, then sprays it off with water. I'm sure that chemical is unhealthy for the paint, whatever it is, but at least I don't have to worry about the power sanders grinding down the clearcoat at the same time.
How is Klasse? I am a Meguires guy at this point. Everyone says Zaino but I don't think silver paint would benefit from the high reflectivity.
Car washes typically RECYCLE the water to get around the drought restrictions. Another reason to stay away from them! How clean can that nasty water get after it's been filled with the dirt of hundreds of cars before it hits your paint?
Do these car washes even filter the used water? Probably not too well
I don't know how Klasse is, I'll let you know on Monday morining. That Zaino stuff seems like it is harder to use than Zymol, so NO THANK YOU. The Klasse is an acrylic based formula that actually "bonds with the paint surface." Lots of guys on the BMW boards use Klasse and they seem to be much more fanatical with their cars than I am. I'm going to polish the car in the Garage so it won't be in direct sunlight. As long as I can finish the job before temperatures reach the mid 80's then I should be OK.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I always wondered what would happen if you had well water vs. public water? Could they still fine you even though you're using your own water? The only one who really gets screwed is you if you run out
well, actually, I guess others in your area who are using the same water supply could be affected, too.
hmmmm ...
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Under $30k: Prelude SH places 1st!
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/features/1997/June/199706_feature_thebe.xml
Over $30k: Prelude SH is midpack, but ties a Viper GTS, beats a vette, a 911 Carrera and a Boxster!
http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/features/1997/September/199709_feature_thebe.xml
From what I can recall from my time in the SH, the LSD in my car is more subtle in its engagement than ATTS, but works just as well.
You're right: ATTS units aren't cheap to replace, but usually it's just a sensor that gets wiggy. Be sure to have the dealer service the ATTS when the manual instructs.
So I got to use my Klasse Polish this weekend. It was unbareably hot so I knew I would have to do this early Saturday Morning. I got to the Car Wash about 8AM and just had the standard interior vaccum/exterior wash done. I gingerly drove the car back to my house and put it directly into the garage. I opened the hood up to let it cool off for a few minutes while I started on the deccklid spoiler. I moistened the applicator and put a drop on (about the size of a dime) and started to rub it in firmly. After I put the Klasse on, I wiped it right off with a plain, white t-Shirt. I took me about a half hour and three drops (the size of dimes) to do the entire exterior of the car.
Now I know what you're all thinking: "But NYCCARGUY, that sounds too easy and also you're car is brand spankin new with just over 400 miles on it." (I know I'm sounding like an infomercial here) I noticed a difference. The paint was smoother. It wasn't carnuba wax smooth, but it was smooth. I took the car out into the sunlight and noticed how it was shining brilliantly. Supposedly the protection & water beading will stay for 6 months.
I'd also like to say that even though my car is brand new, it was manufactured in October 2001 and never washed and waxed before delivery. They cleaned my poor Prelude with chemicals due to a water shortage.
Klasse is a great product. I believe I bought it from carcareonline.com
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
My only problem with the S2000 would be which color to pick. I'd have to pick between the Spa Yellow (Honda makes a great yellow, I've always wanted a yellow car, the S2000 looks awesome in Spa Yellow) and the New Formula Red (I love red Cars, I don't see too many red S2000s, and the S2000 looks incredible in New Formula Red).
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Sphinx99: What color is your S2000, silverstone? Oh, that habitat guy has a Yellow one.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I got my Prelude in Red because I always wanted a red car. I told the dealer that did a search for me that my top 3 color choices were Red, followed by White, and Then Silver. I told him that if there were none of these colors available (within reasonable distance) that I would take a black one.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I thought the Red Center Caps used to come on the Type SH models. When did they stop that?
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I think they stopped with the red center caps on the 2K model. I remember reading a post about that on PO.com.
Beige leather? Double yuck.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I saw one white Type SH that really blew my mind. Beautiful car...
Also, leather wasn't available in the US for ludes right? That must have been a canada car or aftermarket leather, huh?
There are some great looking aftermarket leather kits for the Prelude.
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
Speaking of price, my Honda dealer has a new 2001 silver SportShift ready to roll for --get this-- $20,900.00! That's ~$2500 under invoice! Too bad it's not a 5spd...
$20,900...damn! great price, but too bad it's a SS:)
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD
I purchased a '97 Lude new back in the day. As I recall, no factory leather- but dealers were offering aftermarket leather as a dealer installed option. That is my recollection. I recall it being about $1K for the dealer installed leather option.
3 cars later- I miss my red base 5-spd with spoiler.
Gregg
2001 Prelude Type SH, 2022 Highlander XLE AWD, 2022 Wrangler Sahara 4Xe, 2023 Toyota Tacoma SR 4WD