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Mazda RX-8



  • audia8qaudia8q Posts: 3,138
    yeah, we could make the loses with volume, haha....I seem to remember a zillion companies that used that brilliant business model...

    Like you, I'm not buying the below invoice thing at all....
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,886
    eh, he just forgot to mention the $1k special rust protection, $500 floormats, and $300 wheel locks that were all "already on the car therefore you HAVE to buy them" add-ons.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • If you look under Nada, you can find any true invoice of any car. The price that I stated is with the items stated.
    The dealership that is fixing the problem is in DesMoines and I don't think they are real willing to do warranty work for a car that was not purchased there.
    Mazda has ok'd the work under warranty to replace the plugs but stated this would be the only time. My problem was that the car stalled on it's own in 15 sec. Then it would not refire at all...causing the flooding immediately.
    I was searching for an answer from true RX8 owners on the problem and possible future problems.
    I'm guessing that if you stall the car right away after start-up......good luck with trying to get it restarted. The area that I live in has harsh winters, my guess is the dealership is trying to move the cars. They are not selling very well here.
    Now that I think about it, the dealer did state that the price was only good on this car only and not the silver one that was exactly like it.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,883
    I'm not doubting that you are able to find invoice prices for the RX8 posted on the net. There are plenty of internet sites to find that info. What I'm contesting is what you paid. I can't find any Mazda dealer selling any RX8, in any part of the country, anywhere near invoice, let alone below invoice, as you state.

    If you tell me your dealer way overallowed $$$ on your trade-in and/or you bought the "dealer add-on extras" as gbrozen pointed out, then that may be understandable.

    I still can't see why an authorized Mazda dealer would tell you they will fix it once under warranty, but never again, for what you describe as a "flooding" problem and your airbag light coming on.

    I searched for Mazda dealers in Des Moines. Mazda has some listed for Waterloo and Urbandale, but none for Des Moines. What's the dealer's name?
  • carlikercarliker Posts: 285
    I never said anything about you stating RX-8s going under invoice. I've never heard of a car being sold under invoice unless it's at some barnyard sale for leftover cars. Even the most basic new cars won't go for that. I was referring to the post that you said the RX-8s needed to be discounted in your area around this time. This is what you posted Oct. 24th:

    "Here in the northeast the car is slow...The northeast has always been a seasonal sports car market and it happens every year.....but at our mazda store in Florida they are selling everyone they can get at full MSRP. I have a bigger allocation then they do and I actually shipped them some cars last week.....I will discount instock RX-8's, alot, until the spring when the market will be strong. The mazdaspeed's and Miata's are the same way....firesale prices during the fall/winter and much higher prices during the spring and summer."

    This is what I meant.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,883
    In general, I don't think many cars are flying off the lot right now. People are thinking about money for the holidays. I could be wrong, though. it generally slow right now?

    Even with the huge rebates that GM is throwing out there, I'm not certain any of their cars are moving. They've evn got rebates on Corvettes. That's the first time I've heard of that.

    I recently bought a used Civic to use as a 2nd car (you really didn't think I was going to drive the RX8 in the snow, did you?). The Honda dealer I bought it from said he would sell any new car on their lot for $300 over invoice, including Odys and Pilots (wouldn't do $300 over invoice on S2000s, but would discount them).

    I think he much preferred me buying the used Civic, though.
  • First of all do you really think that the invoices that dealerships show you is accurate. I have a friend that worked for a car dealer and he said they are not.
    I have no explanation why they accepted my offer on the car. The dealership where the car is being fixed is in Urbandale which is a suburb of DesMoines--sorry. I think the flooding issue will be a big problem in the future on these Mazda RX8's. I dare you to shut yours off after 15 seconds!!! It won't restart.
    The true invoice on a loaded RX8 is somewhere around $28,500(not including navigation) This my friends is a true story. Right now in the cities there is a demand on these vehicles causing people to pay MSRP.
    I'm not trying to make enemies here....just stating my experiences.
  • tmundartmundar Posts: 70
    The RX-8 received an honorable mention in the Most Significant Vehicle category for the 2004 Edmunds' Editors Most Wanted.

    The vehicle that won was the Nissan Titan. Wow, a Japanese full-sized pickup truck. How incredible (Sarcasm just doesn't translate well to text).

    The RX-8 designs a new rotary engine and places it in a four-passenger sports car, but that is less significant than a Japanese full-size pickup truck? I wouldn't mind if the Cadillac XLR had won because at least it is interesting. The Japanese could have entered the full-size pickup market any time they wanted. I guess that Edmunds' editors and I have a different opinion on what is significant.

    Note: I harbor an unfair bias against pickup trucks, so feel free to ignore my comments. :P

  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 16,886
    I couldn't agree more. Especially since the Tundra existed before the Titan (v8, full-size, little known japanese manufacturer by the name of Toyota .... ringing any bells Edmunds?).

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '08 Town&Country

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,883 should make a trip over to the Smart Shopper forum here at Edmunds. You'd get a real education. I've probably bought 20 cars for myself and family over the years. If you only look at the "purchase price" of any car, then you've done yourself a disservice. Trade-in allowances, fees, financing rates, extended warranties (if any), etc go into the total deal.

    For example, I don't pretend to know how much it costs the dealership to pay their sales and administration staff. Nor, do I know what the cost of the property or the building they operate from, nor the dealer's payments to the banks to finance their inventory. I don't know how much their electric bill is, nor the cost of all those computers, desks, chairs, etc they use at the dealership.

    Don't forget, the dealer has to make money to stay afloat. So, they made money somewhere.

    Point being, there are many ways to structure a deal that the dealership can and will make money on, as mentioned above.

    The RX8 is a significant new car from Mazda and from what I can ascertain, one that is selling well in the market. The dealer will not sell it below invoice knowing they can get more for it from the next customer. Maybe if you were buying a new purple, stripped Taurus that's been sitting on the lot for 3 months you may be able to get one below invoice. Not the RX8, though. There is just no incentive for the dealer to do that.

    If you say you bought an RX8 below invoice, my guess would be the dealer under allowed for your trade, financed you higher than the going rate, made money on dealer installed options, charged you $500 for some "Super Shine" wax, etc to make up for the lack of money they made on the straight sale of the car.

    Your purchase dealer and/or your servicing dealer sound "shady" in giving you grief to cover some warranty work. Plus, your selling dealer sounds like they did some "hide the money" in the ways stated above if you indeed bought it below invoice. Either way, they sound real shady. I won't deal with dealers that do business that way.

    Personally, I've started my car many times and shut it off immediately when moving it around while washing it, moving it in and out of my garage/driveway, etc. I've never had any issues with stalling or flooding.
  • carlikercarliker Posts: 285
    tmundar - the Nissan Titan getting the nod baffles me too. I could see possibly the SUV Nissan Pathfinder Armada achieving the recognition. That SUV is full size and can reach 60 in 7.0 seconds according to Edmunds. Possibly, the Titan is quicker than the SUV while providing loading capacity. Otherwise, I have no idea why they picked a truck.

    graphic - I turned on my RX-8 several times to move it from one spot to another in a matter of seconds, there was never any problems. Since it's not good leaving a car idle and running, there would be times when I'd go through drive-thrus and just turn the car off. I would turn it right back on within seconds and it ran just as well everytime. Sometimes, people want company when experiencing car mishaps.
  • serranoserrano Posts: 107
    Folks - I suspect that Mazda is warning folks not to start and stop the car when cold because gasoline will coat the cold rotor housing and prevent a good seal on the rotor housing by the apex seals of the rotor. Previous versions of the RX-7 had a problem with a similar issue. When the car was turned off (even hot) and had slightly leaky fuel injectors, the leak down would put enough gas in the rotor housings to flood the engine/plugs or prevent good engine compression. With a hot engine, the fuel will quickly evaporate so it's not as much of a problem.

    That's my theory anyway.

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,883
    I think the RENESIS, while a rotary, is a different character than the older rotaries in the RX7.

    carliker....I don't mind helping other people with their cars or even commiserating when they have problems. I just believe this stalling, airbag light, lack of dealer support scenario leaves a lot of key details out of the discussion.

    Any authorized MAzda dealer is required to do warranty work on in warranty Mazda cars regardless of where it was purchased. For a dealer to give someone grief about warranty work, in addition to there being a problem with some obscure procedure where the cars is stalling coupled with a 'questionable' deal to begin with, makes me highly suspicious.

    There's way too much FUD being bantered about regarding the car in many different places.

    I'm just trying to help getting to the bottom of the issues....trying to find out the dealer's name (which I've been unsuccessful at so far) since I have a friend that lives in the Sioux City area who could offer more insight to the dealer's practices.
  • gee35coupegee35coupe Posts: 3,475
    It would flood under certain hot start conditions. Drove me crazy.
  • carlikercarliker Posts: 285
    My experiences with the RX-8 only took place during warmer summer days. I didn't have the chance to see what it would do being turned on/off quickly during colder weather like we've been having the last few weeks across the country.
  • carlikercarliker Posts: 285
    The following appeared on the webpage today:

    H-powered RX-8

    At the Tokyo motor show, Mazda debuted its latest take on a hydrogen future with the Hydrogen Renesis rotary in an RX-8 that can run on either gasoline or hydrogen, making it an ideal transitional vehicle for a future where hydrogen and gasoline both serve our vehicles. Rotary engines work well with hydrogen fuel because the fuel-injection area of the engine is cooler than in a piston engine. Mazda first showed a hydrogen-powered rotary in 1991, the H-RX.

    Well, wonderful gas mileage is on its way!
  • Graphic - See post #46 by audia8q in Mazda RX-8 Problems/Solutions. He appears to agree on the turn off rule if the engine has not properly warmed up. While you have not had any problems related to this, I personally am not taking chances until there is definitive proof that you can turn on and then turn off a cold engine without increasing your chances of stalling/flooding.
  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 6,883
    Maybe there is some stalling issue with this particular car.

    I've done the start/brief run/shut down procedure numerous times with no problems. I think there must be a setting that must be wrong for stalling to occur. There's no reason a dealer shouldn't address this under warranty.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Did you happen to catch the power output of the Renesis when running on hydrogen?

    Hint: the wonderful gas mileage comes at a fairly substantial cost to the performance....
  • serranoserrano Posts: 107
    Had the same hot start problem with my '88 RX-7 Turbo. Once the injectors leaked down a little, the sucker would be hard to start.
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