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Ody sales increased calendar year 2004-2005 by a smaller amount than Did the DC minivans. Thus despite healthy percentage increase in Odyssey sales, Honda at the same time LOST percentage market share!
The percent increase is bigger the amount of vans is almost the same! So relax,as far as market share please give me all minivan sales for 2004 and 2005 and marketshare then. I'll stop making this statement!!
I seem to recall many "I don't recall" from Hillary on missing billing records etc..many more than an 80 year old president
I bought Dodge I always did the research. As for Hillary who cares!! I'm a GOP guy!!
Just look at the Postings for Toyota vs DCX, i'm not grouping just pointing out what I see. Honda owners must be different.
Nope just the same!! Mostly people that live in the united states. Unless that bothers you?
And the consumers most wanted! Your opinion but nothing to really back it up.
Not really people on this site voted for it!!
The Honda Odyssey conquered this category thanks to a sympathetic restyling that allowed the car to become the hands-down winner by a clear majority of votes. None of the other vehicles, not even last year's winner, the Toyota Sienna, registered more than half of the enthusiasm that consumers seemed to have for the new 2005 Honda Odyssey. The addition of optional eight-passenger seating with a stowable middle seat, second-row chairs that convert into benches, and generally improved space and noise dynamics undoubtedly helped the Honda Odyssey to reclaim its rightful crown in the minivan hierarchy.
More than twice the votes of the second most wanted the Sienna!
Actually, they're CONCRETE blocks. Cement is that dry gray powdery stuff which is mixed with aggregate (sand/gravel) and water to form concrete (sorry, the Civil in me is always irritated when folks confuse 'cement' and 'concrete')
I think load-leveling shocks are controlled internally through valving. If the shock is loaded slowly (ie. adding a load of concrete blocks to the van), it compresses. When driving, quick impulse loads to the shock from bumps do not cause the shock to further compress; however, when the springs rebound, the shock will expand. The shock continues to expand on the rebounds and resists compression on the impulse loads until the shock has re-expanded back to it's 'normal' ride height.
Do the shocks feel particularly 'hard' until they pump themselves back up after about 100 feet?
And watch out for the GWVR, I hope you don't have to go far with that 1000# sitting on the rear axle. Cause shocks are wear and tear items :shades:
Actually I purchased patio stones before for a brand new 10x10 space, plus the sand stones that goes underneath and the sand that goes on top. Paid $50 and it was delivered in a pellet all wrapped in plastic sitting in the driveway. Wouldn't do it any other way, it's just me.
Hayneldan, you said you were loading concrete blocks in your earlier post (actually, you incorrectly stated they were cement blocks, to be precise). I can't say I've seen a concrete block that's only 1.5 inches high. 1000 pounds of concrete blocks is different from patio stones. They weigh the same, but the hollow blocks would stack a lot higher for half a ton of them as opposed to flat, solid, patio pavers. Don't mock them when you are the one whose story changed.
Also, keep in mind that wrecks often involve cars leaving the ground (an Astro Van turned over downtown B'ham the other day, going about 35 it jumped a curb and hit a car). This could cause objects to go airborne, even heavy stones/blocks or whatever you had.
I have the tow package also on my 05 DCX GC....quite a bargain...air suspension, HD radiator, Larger battery, HD electrical, Tranny cooler, PS cooler. Have driven my friend's base Caravan....seems similar to mine. I tow a 3300 lbs Coleman popup RV with no problem up some very steep West Virginia mountains. It's rated at 3800lbs.
Mechanical Engineer from Penn State...WE ARE PENN STATE Although I've jumped to the dark side (sales) for an automotive supplier.
The Honda Odyssey conquered this category thanks to a sympathetic restyling that allowed the car to become the hands-down winner by a clear majority of votes. None of the other vehicles, not even last year's winner, the Toyota Sienna, registered more than half of the enthusiasm that consumers seemed to have for the new 2005 Honda Odyssey. The addition of optional eight-passenger seating with a stowable middle seat, second-row chairs that convert into benches, and generally improved space and noise dynamics undoubtedly helped the Honda Odyssey to reclaim its rightful crown in the minivan hierarchy.
More than twice the votes of the second most wanted the Sienna!
Funny for all the accolades, a redesign and added features, one would have expected more of a sales increase.
Well, you must consider that for the '04 models, it's NOT like the factory was running at half capacity. Sales of the '04s (like the '05s and '06s) were limited as much by how many COULD be produced as by demand.
Also, you must consider that for the '04s (at least through the last half of the year), the dealers were selling them as cheap as that model had ever sold. When the '05s hit, dealers were back to their same ol' same ol': MSRP+ (at least for a little while). This would perhaps have an effect on the number of '04 units sold vs. '05.
Well, you must consider that for the '04 models, it's NOT like the factory was running at half capacity. Sales of the '04s (like the '05s and '06s) were limited as much by how many COULD be produced as by demand.
Also, you must consider that for the '04s (at least through the last half of the year), the dealers were selling them as cheap as that model had ever sold. When the '05s hit, dealers were back to their same ol' same ol': MSRP+ (at least for a little while). This would perhaps have an effect on the number of '04 units sold vs. '05.
The 05s on are built in a new Honda plant, I think capacity is about 200k/year? The plants can usually add a second shift if needed.
Incidentally, a couple weeks ago I bought 12 concrete blocks and some 2x6 to make 2 cheapo shelves(tired of pressurized wood shelves). I did fold down the 3rd row and lay a tarp to carry the blocks and the loading/unloading was a pain. I hope the fellow who bought 1000# of concrete blocks had a couple of friends to help him.
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What do you suppose Honda did with the plant building the '04 Ody then? Put it in mothballs?
They built the '05 Ody (and '06 Ody) in the same Alabama plant used for the '04 and previous year Odys. Was this plant operating at capacity in '04? I don't know; but given the high demand for the previous generation Ody in '02 and '03, I would imagine that it was operating close to capacity. Has capacity been added? Possibly.
My point was that one can't simply look at sales numbers from year to year and make an assumption that the sales numbers SHOULD have been higher given the accolades the press put on the car.
Have you taken into account the re-tooling time necessary to bring the '05 model online?
Have you taken into account the fact that production usually ramps up slowly to (hopefully) resolve production issues?
I think it unreasonable to assume that just because Honda was making 'X' number of Odys in '04 that they can instantly produce 'X+50k' to meet increased demand.
Goes to my point that one shouldn't naturally assume that Honda could just magically pump up production from '04 to '05.
The MDX,Pilot, Ridgeline and Ody are all built on the same basic platform (with Ridgeline being reinforced). If Honda had felt they could sell 300,000 minivan/year, you know they'd find a way - any manufacturer would. They could have changed the product mix in Ontario/Alabama etc...less Pilots, more Odys. With the expansion of the Alabama plant, capacity doubled to 300,000.
One can look at both DCX and Honda, and say the same things about sales numbers, retooling and timing. Honda is known for a seamless changeover, no shut down from one generation to next. Their manufacturing is the envy to this. I'll bet there was barely a hiccup in Alabama!
All manufacturers ramp slowly. I've been in many plants (domestic and import) during lunch weeks when supplier are on hand in case there's any problems with their products. (makes it easier to scream at you!).
They can do it a lot faster than you think. I see it all the time, getting request from customers asking if we have added capacity to build X many more parts/week and timing. I've seen it with Honda Accords, F150 and most recently the Mustang.
The capacity is about 300K. They have been running at full capacity 1300 cars per day. This will decrease in April due to high gas prices making the bigger cars less desireable. They want to keep the profit margin up. Ody production will remain at 800 per day.
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Aren't they discounting Pilots and Ridgelines? I'll be the margins are very close....they use alot of the same components....engines, controls etc...
I don't believe so. Ridgelines met the 12 month sales expectations in ten months. Doesn't sound like they are pushing too hard to sell them...they sell themselves. I haven't seen anything (in Birmingham, anyway) other than a 279 a month lease for an LX Pilot 2WD. That was over the holidays.
Socalawd and dennisctc must have had a head on collision with their minivans. I wonder if the DC head and knee airbags protected Dennisctc better than the Odyssey protected socalawd, which lacks knee airbags?
I'm glad things lightened up around here, and with the two-day hiatus, maybe it will stay that way??? ;-)
It is amazing it lasted this long, I'll agree!
You may wonder, how a DCX van, rated to tow 3800lbs, can tow a 4500lbs Ody to the dealership. Keep in mind that socalawd Ody's engine and tranny both fell out of the engine compartment thus lightening the Ody. I had to make a separate trip for them, but fortunately my DCX van has Stow N Go seats and I didn't have to make a trip home to remove my seats.
That's the truth!! Cross my heart!!
lol!
Actually, I think they NEARLY collided. Fortunately, socalawd was saved by the VSC system in his Ody and was able to avoid the accident completely. I'm sure that dennistc was well protected by his knee airbags when he ran into that lightpole instead....
I doubt it....not after your post. :sick:
At least dennistc doesn't have sore knees (kneebag protection ya know )
Oh, that was harsh.....funny, but harsh....
I wonder how many owners need a lube-job at trade-in too? :surprise:
Like my wife let's me drive it! You know thats not true!!
Let's hope its all in good fun, b/c if it's not, I don't need to be here. This is like my stress relief with car talk mixed in (even though technically, shouldn't it be the other way around?). I'm headed to the beach today; be back sunday. Y'all have a good weekend, and
GO SEAHAWKS! (I'm from Alabama...got to support Shaun Alexander!!!)
Back to the vans, shall we?
Apparently all the hype about the re-designed 2005 Ody had not reached all dealerships. :sick:
The current Blue Book Value of the 2005 Ody EX with 100 miles on it is $31,095. Seems like the "Blue Book" knows the Odyssey is a hot commodity...even used, SRP is higher than NEW MSRP.
I'll just have to take your word for it!
The Ody is a very nice van but I would like to meet the sucker who pays $31,095 for a used 2005 Ody EX that had a $ 28,510 MSRP when some NEW Ody EX sold for just over $ 25K. :sick: Maybe I could sell him a lot on Brokeback Mountain.
Don't believe everything you read. Off hand, I'd say that number was at least $7k out of whack. My wife and I bought our '05 EX-L (Jan. '05) for $28.6k without a trade-in.