After having two wonderfull Subies rust out before they wore out (though they did last 10 years each), I would like to rustproof my new Impreza (don't have it yet but will soon). What is the best method of doing this, where is it done, how often, and what material is used? Also, my mom would like to rustproof her 1998 Impreza (has no rust yet), but I think it might be too late. This is probably not the place to discuss this topic, but I don't know where to go!
Stay away from Ziebart and all the rest of the wax based rustproofing they do not work period, and can actually make the car rust quicker by blocking up drain holes.
I have had every car I owned rustproofed with either Krown rust proofing rust check is another one, or any of the other ev nironmently friendly oil treatments, I have always owned Hondas before buying Subaru, I have sold all my cars at around 10 years old and all were rust free.
The oil treatment is done yearly, It costs me $100 CDN. per year.I do not know if you have similar places in the your area but I would recommend this as the way to go.
Is it too late for my mom to oil-treat her 5 year old car? Would it cover some small rust spots and let them grow under the oil coat (as I think might happen)?
Its never too late with Krown and rustcheck rustproofing, while they will not cure rust that has started they do slow down the spread, have your moms car done it is well worth it.
The nice thing about having it done on a new car is that it makes mechanics life much simpler as the car ages it prevents nuts and bolts seizing due to rust. B.T.W. what part of Canada are you in? Cheers Pat.
Au Contraire Bob, they still rust, I saw a 4 year old Impreza today with an advanced case of the rusties on the left rear door and signs of rust starting in a couple of other places.
I spoke to the owner and the rust started on the door where the skin is folded over the frame, he did try to address the problem through his dealer but was told that the rust is surface not perforated.he did have it sandblasted and painted once at his expense but because the rust is in the seam it quickly returned.
Technically it is surface but the door will be total junk by the time is considered a perforation, while I agree that cars are better than they were, I still believe they need all the help they can get in this inhospitable climate that is Canada in the winter.
I think the rusting that Joybell was referring to was *huge* problem years ago. I'm sure rust can still be a problem—with any car, under the right circumstances. In fact, I had an F-150 rust away, because it was parked in a damp area, for long periods at a time. I just think current Subies, and other Japanese brands, are far less susceptible today, than in the past.
I've logged on several times since they switched sites a month or so ago. Did they change their URL again? Anyway, thanks. I've bookmarked the new link.
We are in agreement that cars are definitly better than they were, but Joy referred to the fact that she had two subes rust out long before they were mechanically dead.
She wants to keep her new one longer than that if possible.
As an example I had a 1979 and a 1983 Accord both cars were notorious for rusting, I had them both treated with Rustcheck every year and both were rustfree when I sold them, both of them were over eight years old when I did sell them.
Given the copious amounts of salt dumped on the roads here believe me, cars need all the help they can get.
They were older cars Bob no doubt, but I would rather have the peace of mind that any extra protection brings, all of my cars are rust free when I am done with them, I have absolutely no trouble selling them.
I have no doubt whatsoever that having them oiled, vastly contributed to the fact that I never have rust problem.
In addition since I started having my cars oiled underneath years ago I have never had to use heat or brute force of any kind to undo nuts and bolts that have been exposed to Ottawa winters for years. This alone for me is worth the cost of the oiling. B.T.W. the oil in question is environmently friendly.
The DC Auto show sounds just like the setup they have for San Francisco. In fact, the Subaru line-up is identical! They probably drive all the vehicles into trailers and ship them back East! BTW, did the brochures get to you? I mailed them on the last day before our two-week office shutdown. If you haven't gotten them by now, I suspect they might be sitting in our mailroom.
Colin:
Catching up here a bit, but I'd go and meet her. What's the worst thing that can happen?
Yes the brochres did arrive. I sent you an e-mail, thanking you. It sounds like you didn't get it, so I'll post it here, as I have some questions too:
Ken
Perfect timing! The brochures arrived Christmas Eve! What a nice Christmas present! Thanks again! I know I'll be spending some time going through these. I was especially happy to get the Impreza brochures and the Blitzen H-6 brochure.
Interesting to note—and speaking as a graphic designer—there appears to be very little continuity in terms of design from one brochure to another. They almost look like they were all designed by different designers, who never spoke to one another. You rarely see that in brochure design here in the USA. There's always a very strong "family look" to whatever is being marketed, when it involves various product lines. Also, the accessory brochures have a very "commercial" look to them, as opposed to a "consumer" look. And again, the mixing of English and Japanese, to my eyes looks odd, even though I know it's an accepted practice in Japan. Sure wish I could read Japanese...
Question: I know the Japanese cars are RHD, but it looks as if they *drive* on the same side of the road as we do here in America? Is that correct? A few of the photos in some of the brochures suggest that to be the case.
Also, you had mentioned that juice might have some additional brochures? If so, do you remember which models? I'll have to contact him when he gets back from Brazil. I've also got 3 sets of Impreza accessory brochures. I wonder if he's got any in his collection? If not, I can give him a set so that he has a full set of brochures.
Again, thanks a million! Hope you have a very Merry Christmas. You certainly helped make mine merry!
Good morning all, just got back home. Got a call yesterday afternoon that my company's facility was broken into between Friday night and then and that my office was one of several that were specifically hit. They broke the lock to my office and stole my PC (laptop with docking station) and a video projector. Several VPs and sales people were hit as well as our A/V webcasting group. Mostly laptops, projectors and video cameras stolen. We suspect an inside job. Fortunately most if not all critical info not on my machine but on the network which is intact.
I will likely be working from home until I get my office machine replaced. Must resist urge to stay out here and surf all day.
ken-- I did return home to my old church yesterday but Deanna wasn't there. Her friend / former roommate Jo (a female) was there but I didn't talk to her.
still haven't gotten a reply to my email, so we'll see what direction this goes next. I'm not playing a game where I won't call first, but it would be nice to know if I should even bother.
in the meantime, life goes on and in the next few minutes I'll be leaving for lunch with a nice young accountant I met here at work. ;-)
so we've never 'met' ... I have been through a marriage break-up (after 26 years) and subsequent questioning of myself and everything I had ever done, was doing, and would do in my life!! I mean, if I had screwed it up so badly once ... with something so important .. maybe I had, was, or would do it again! What I realized (fairly quickly in my case, luckily) was that if I closed myself off from all 'hurt', that I also closed myself off to the possbility of a beautiful 'love'. I took quite a few 'risks' - some riskier than others! ... some of which WERE hurtful .. but I also came out with someone who feels so RIGHT!! so .. try it ... who knows? .. Brenda
Pat- Your success in the battle against rust is admirable. How much of that success is attributable to the rust proofing you had done and how much is due to your OCD tendencies towards keeping your cars clean is what I'm not sure of. IMHO, today's cars are adequately rust proofed for most driving conditions and combined with regular underbody winter washings, rust shouldn't be a big problem. Of course I don't live in Canada so I will defer to your firsthand experience :-)
Glad you got them. You probably emailed me at work. Since our company is shutdown during the Xmas-New Year's holidays, I haven't logged in to check mail.
Yes, I noticed that each model line gets a completely different "look" as brochures go. Actually, you can see that in their website as well.
In Japan, people drive on the left hand side and the steering wheel is on the right -- they adopted the British system. Some of the photos may have been shot on location in the US or other LHD countries so you might be seeing some inconsistencies.
I don't remember exactly what juice had, but I think there were some more B4 and Legacy catalogs. I hope that these brochures cause the Crew to get together more often! ;-)
Let me know if you have any other Q's.
Colin: One opportunity leads to another... ;-)
Ken (living vicariously through his single friends)
<< In Japan, people drive on the left hand side and the steering wheel is on the right -- they adopted the British system. Some of the photos may have been shot on location in the US or other LHD countries so you might be seeing some inconsistencies. >>
So the driver is positioned curb side, and not by the center line that divides the traffic, or did I misunderstand your reply?? Or, when you say "British system," you mean exactly like the British??
Bob: In Japan, cars are right hand drive. As they drive on the left side of the road, the drivers are positioned closer to the center line of the road. That's the "British system," i.e. the way they drive in Australia, New Zealand and many other countries that are former parts of the British Empire (Canada a notable exception, I'm sure there are others).
I knew the cars were RHD. What confused me, was the (Japanese) brochures Ken sent me, showed the cars being driven on the same side of the road that we do. I just assumed those were photos from Japan.
I know that some of the JDM cars are brought here to the states for testing and photo shoots. I've seen several pics of JDM Subarus bearing California license plates which were taken in geographic locales that could not have been in Japan. Maybe the company wants to impart some sort of cachet from being seen in the US and the good old "wild wide open spaces" imagery that conjures up?
Ed hit it on the head. The brochures probably depict JDM spec models being driven on our roads and hence the driver being closer to curbside. Normally, a driver in Japan on a JDM spec (RHD) vehicle would be closer to the centerline.
Lots of ads in Japan depict Japanese products being used in the US or by US celebrities. Ever see Sly Stalone promoting ham or Tiger Woods chugging canned coffee? It's very bizzare.
as I looked at those photos again, I think they're taken in France, the French Alps to be specific. The license tags are European, and the front tag has an "F" in a small blue field to the left, and is separated by the other numbers. In addition, in one photo, there are off in the distance, some small car-based raised-roof vans, that are very common in Europe. They were taken in a mountainous area, so it's probably the Alps.
Those would be French tags, Bob. The French drive on the same side of the road as we do, and domestic and imported cars for the French market are LHD. I think we had the "no more yellow headlights" discussion here earlier.
I'm with Loosh, I expect the chat to be dominated by people with ScReEnNaMeS L1K3 TH1S, asking questions about how they can get parts like the ones on his WRC car. Maybe I could post by changing my name to...
Just caught a glimpse of it tonight on Speed Vision. Besides the usual race-ready Pajaros (Monteros), and Nissans, (huge) race trucks and bikes, there's at least one BMW X-5, and I believe some VW Touareg-based vehicles.
The Dakar race is one of my favorites, along with the Isle of Man TT. I find these two races even more exciting than the WRC or SSCA rally racing. This year's Dakar has some really interesting vehicles:
• Quad racers! This is the first year, I believe that ATV racers are participating. Picture, if you will an all out quad-racer, with extra body armor, a huge fuel tank and a spare tire, and you pretty much get the idea.
• Mitsubishi SWB Pajaros (Monteros), as usual are very popular. I noticed at least one version with an almost Honda CRX-type body shape. It was a sharp looking racer.
• Nissan had several crew cab Frontier-based racers. One of which had IFS/IRS!
• There is a BMW X-5 racer.
• There is at least one Honda-power car racer.
• There is a Range Rover (chassis) with a Jaguar XJ body attached to it. Imagine a Jag sedan with 37" off-road tires!
• There is a VW Touareg racer. The only thing "Touareg" about it must be under the skin, because the body looks like a full-blown dune buggy. You would never recognize it as a Touareg. It does have the VW logo on it for ID purposes. This Touareg is being raced by Jutta Kleinschmidt who has won the Dakar race outright, in the past.
• There is a wild looking 2WD Ford-engined racer.
• Besides all the above, there are the usual motorcycles and huge trucks too.
It's got to be one of the nuttiest races ever conceived. I love it!!
I would love to see Subaru enter a race-prepared Baja in this event! Why the Baja? I think, for an event like this the Baja makes the most sense. Nissan uses their pickups (rather than SUVs) because the pickup bed makes for very easy access to all the extra spare tires they need to carry. The Subie Baja would have that same advantage.
It will be on again tonight, and probably for ever night thereafter, till it ends. The race started only a few days ago, so what you see on TV is almost current. Again, it's on the Speed Channel.
Minor correction re. the VW. It's not a Touareg, it's a Tarek.
The VW Tarek is a purpose built car for the Paris-Dakar. It's a carbon-kevlar body (designed by Giorgio-Giugiaro), 2.2m wide, 3.06m long and weighs 1,160kg (2,552lbs.).
The car is powered by a VW 1.9 liter 4 cylinder TDI (yup, that's a turbo diesel), which puts out 218PS and 390Nm.
The Tarek has rear wheel drive, and based on its performance so far, no brakes.
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Greg
I have had every car I owned rustproofed with either Krown rust proofing rust check is another one, or any of the other ev nironmently friendly oil treatments, I have always owned Hondas before buying Subaru, I have sold all my cars at around 10 years old and all were rust free.
The oil treatment is done yearly, It costs me $100 CDN. per year.I do not know if you have similar places in the your area but I would recommend this as the way to go.
Cheers Pat.
Bob
Bob
http://www.i-club.com/
The nice thing about having it done on a new car is that it makes mechanics life much simpler as the car ages it prevents nuts and bolts seizing due to rust. B.T.W. what part of Canada are you in?
Cheers Pat.
I spoke to the owner and the rust started on the door where the skin is folded over the frame, he did try to address the problem through his dealer but was told that the rust is surface not perforated.he did have it sandblasted and painted once at his expense but because the rust is in the seam it quickly returned.
Technically it is surface but the door will be total junk by the time is considered a perforation, while I agree that cars are better than they were, I still believe they need all the help they can get in this inhospitable climate that is Canada in the winter.
Cheers Pat.
Bob
I've logged on several times since they switched sites a month or so ago. Did they change their URL again? Anyway, thanks. I've bookmarked the new link.
Bob
She wants to keep her new one longer than that if possible.
As an example I had a 1979 and a 1983 Accord both cars were notorious for rusting, I had them both treated with Rustcheck every year and both were rustfree when I sold them, both of them were over eight years old when I did sell them.
Given the copious amounts of salt dumped on the roads here believe me, cars need all the help they can get.
Cheers Pat.
Bob
I have no doubt whatsoever that having them oiled, vastly contributed to the fact that I never have rust problem.
In addition since I started having my cars oiled underneath years ago I have never had to use heat or brute force of any kind to undo nuts and bolts that have been exposed to Ottawa winters for years. This alone for me is worth the cost of the oiling. B.T.W. the oil in question is environmently friendly.
Cheers Pat.
Interestingly, there's no mention of Subaru...
Bob
-Brian
I also expect some announcement at Chicago, however. Probably the turbo Forester, or turbo Baja, or both!?
Bob
The DC Auto show sounds just like the setup they have for San Francisco. In fact, the Subaru line-up is identical! They probably drive all the vehicles into trailers and ship them back East! BTW, did the brochures get to you? I mailed them on the last day before our two-week office shutdown. If you haven't gotten them by now, I suspect they might be sitting in our mailroom.
Colin:
Catching up here a bit, but I'd go and meet her. What's the worst thing that can happen?
Ken
Ken
Perfect timing! The brochures arrived Christmas Eve! What a nice Christmas present! Thanks again! I know I'll be spending some time going through these. I was especially happy to get the Impreza brochures and the Blitzen H-6 brochure.
Interesting to note—and speaking as a graphic designer—there appears to be very little continuity in terms of design from one brochure to another. They almost look like they were all designed by different designers, who never spoke to one another. You rarely see that in brochure design here in the USA. There's always a very strong "family look" to whatever is being marketed, when it involves various product lines. Also, the accessory brochures have a very "commercial" look to them, as opposed to a "consumer" look. And again, the mixing of English and Japanese, to my eyes looks odd, even though I know it's an accepted practice in Japan. Sure wish I could read Japanese...
Question: I know the Japanese cars are RHD, but it looks as if they *drive* on the same side of the road as we do here in America? Is that correct? A few of the photos in some of the brochures suggest that to be the case.
Also, you had mentioned that juice might have some additional brochures? If so, do you remember which models? I'll have to contact him when he gets back from Brazil. I've also got 3 sets of Impreza accessory brochures. I wonder if he's got any in his collection? If not, I can give him a set so that he has a full set of brochures.
Again, thanks a million! Hope you have a very Merry Christmas. You certainly helped make mine merry!
Bob
I will likely be working from home until I get my office machine replaced. Must resist urge to stay out here and surf all day.
So how was everyone else's holiday?
Ed
Bob
still haven't gotten a reply to my email, so we'll see what direction this goes next. I'm not playing a game where I won't call first, but it would be nice to know if I should even bother.
in the meantime, life goes on and in the next few minutes I'll be leaving for lunch with a nice young accountant I met here at work. ;-)
-Colin
http://www.subaru.co.nz/news/index.html?id=440
Bob
I mean, if I had screwed it up so badly once ... with something so important .. maybe I had, was, or would do it again!
What I realized (fairly quickly in my case, luckily) was that if I closed myself off from all 'hurt', that I also closed myself off to the possbility of a beautiful 'love'. I took quite a few 'risks' - some riskier than others! ... some of which WERE hurtful .. but I also came out with someone who feels so RIGHT!!
so .. try it ... who knows? ..
Brenda
-Frank P.
Glad you got them. You probably emailed me at work. Since our company is shutdown during the Xmas-New Year's holidays, I haven't logged in to check mail.
Yes, I noticed that each model line gets a completely different "look" as brochures go. Actually, you can see that in their website as well.
In Japan, people drive on the left hand side and the steering wheel is on the right -- they adopted the British system. Some of the photos may have been shot on location in the US or other LHD countries so you might be seeing some inconsistencies.
I don't remember exactly what juice had, but I think there were some more B4 and Legacy catalogs. I hope that these brochures cause the Crew to get together more often! ;-)
Let me know if you have any other Q's.
Colin:
One opportunity leads to another... ;-)
Ken
(living vicariously through his single friends)
<< In Japan, people drive on the left hand side and the steering wheel is on the right -- they adopted the British system. Some of the photos may have been shot on location in the US or other LHD countries so you might be seeing some inconsistencies. >>
So the driver is positioned curb side, and not by the center line that divides the traffic, or did I misunderstand your reply?? Or, when you say "British system," you mean exactly like the British??
Bob
Ed
Bob
Greg
Ed
Ed hit it on the head. The brochures probably depict JDM spec models being driven on our roads and hence the driver being closer to curbside. Normally, a driver in Japan on a JDM spec (RHD) vehicle would be closer to the centerline.
Lots of ads in Japan depict Japanese products being used in the US or by US celebrities. Ever see Sly Stalone promoting ham or Tiger Woods chugging canned coffee? It's very bizzare.
Ken
Jim
Bob
Ed
Bob
I really don't expect to be posting, although, depending on how the discussion goes, that may change.
Bob
3d
-Brian
The next stage will be on tomorrow.
Bob
It was simply my enthusiasm overpowering my thinking. It won't happen again, I promise...
Bob
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/announcement.php?s=&forumid=63
Bob
Bob
Hope Edmunds has some new 3Ghz Hyper threads booted up for serving the chat! ;-)
-Brian
had a 4way Dell on my desk last week. it was staggering at 33k with only 2 hard disks (attaches to our SAN).
...errmm anyway, the chatroom was bombed like mad when Ramana Lageman showed up. I'm sure it'll be crushed Monday.
-Colin
• Quad racers! This is the first year, I believe that ATV racers are participating. Picture, if you will an all out quad-racer, with extra body armor, a huge fuel tank and a spare tire, and you pretty much get the idea.
• Mitsubishi SWB Pajaros (Monteros), as usual are very popular. I noticed at least one version with an almost Honda CRX-type body shape. It was a sharp looking racer.
• Nissan had several crew cab Frontier-based racers. One of which had IFS/IRS!
• There is a BMW X-5 racer.
• There is at least one Honda-power car racer.
• There is a Range Rover (chassis) with a Jaguar XJ body attached to it. Imagine a Jag sedan with 37" off-road tires!
• There is a VW Touareg racer. The only thing "Touareg" about it must be under the skin, because the body looks like a full-blown dune buggy. You would never recognize it as a Touareg. It does have the VW logo on it for ID purposes. This Touareg is being raced by Jutta Kleinschmidt who has won the Dakar race outright, in the past.
• There is a wild looking 2WD Ford-engined racer.
• Besides all the above, there are the usual motorcycles and huge trucks too.
It's got to be one of the nuttiest races ever conceived. I love it!!
I would love to see Subaru enter a race-prepared Baja in this event! Why the Baja? I think, for an event like this the Baja makes the most sense. Nissan uses their pickups (rather than SUVs) because the pickup bed makes for very easy access to all the extra spare tires they need to carry. The Subie Baja would have that same advantage.
It will be on again tonight, and probably for ever night thereafter, till it ends. The race started only a few days ago, so what you see on TV is almost current. Again, it's on the Speed Channel.
Bob
is the posessive.......
own3d?
The VW Tarek is a purpose built car for the Paris-Dakar. It's a carbon-kevlar body (designed by Giorgio-Giugiaro), 2.2m wide, 3.06m long and weighs 1,160kg (2,552lbs.).
The car is powered by a VW 1.9 liter 4 cylinder TDI (yup, that's a turbo diesel), which puts out 218PS and 390Nm.
The Tarek has rear wheel drive, and based on its performance so far, no brakes.
Pictures can be seen at:*
http://www.rally-action.com/photo/2002/11/145/gallery.shtml
* = link may not work.
Bob