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'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
It's free, and you get to run the new car on a track. Should be interesting... I wonder if they will have the T5 available?
Yikes! Will this new S40 be good enough to win customers away from the S60, especially when it is now very easy to buy an S60 2.5T with Premium, Touring, and Sports packages for $29K?
I'm thrilled to see all this competition. Can anyone remember a category as uniformly impressive as the "entry luxury sports sedan" class as become? S40, 3-series, A4, TL/TSX, IS300, 9-3, CTS, X-Type, C-Class, et al. It's pretty amazing. The worst of the class, commonly felt to be the X-Type, still, by all measures, is a quite good car!
What are the initial T5 prices pegged to be?
- Bret
I can't make definitive judgements until at least driving it, but I can say that it would be REAL tough to justify me dropping well over $30K on a loaded T5 when an Acura TL is about the same. And, frankly, only from the point of resale. Volvos used to have great resale and its why I bought one. Now the resale has completely tanked and I couldn't even buy an S40 or TL if I wanted to because I am so buried in my S70. BUT, as you can imagine, if I was going to trade, I'd be downright gunshy of another Volvo. So, for the same price, I can get a TL that accelerates faster (according to TL tests versus Volvo estimates at this point), has a great rep for reliability, and holds its value like gold. Its just my opinion.
I agree, however, that if you compare it to BMW, MB, and the like, it will most likely seem like a great bargain.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Besides, where did those numbers come from anyway ($36K and $38K)? Did I miss something? Are we talking about the S40? Because even if you get it fully loaded, its $34,500.
Breta - go to www.volvocars.com to check out and price the S40
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Plus, the lack of AWD(at this moment) means the stick model has horrible torque steer plus the tugging from the LSD. Acura's future solution is like Highlander's -- hybrid rear electric motor.
Isn't it horrible to live like that in a reliable long lasting TL? Fortunately the resales is good enough to get rid off it. ;-)
If you want a stick Acura sedan w/o torque steer, then you have to get the TSX, but still w/ numb steering plus a very taut ride.
I've driven the 6-speed TL and was VERY impressed.
And regarding "numb steering", I'm not sure where this comes from (I assume you've driven both the TL and TSX?) or what it really even means. I guess my modified '79 CJ7 with 32"x10.5" meats had what might be called numb steering. That would be my definition anyway. My Alfa, on the other hand, feels like a squirrely go-cart. So it all depends on your frame of reference, I guess. But neither of those ever presented a problem while drifting around corners and tearing up the tires, so how much I feel through the steering wheel just doesn't affect what car I drive.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
I didn't check, but I assume a base engine S40 is about 3K +/- less, and the AWD will add about 2K, but probably have more stand features (cold pack?).
Stability control, Xenons, etc. (whatever isn't standard) will certainly drive up the price, but it's nice that you have a choice on this car what's important.
For my money, if the Mazda3 offered power 8 way heated seats for less than 21K, it would be a no brainer. The Volvo has just enough extra goodies to make it a tough comparison.
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
To me, it does, whether it's gripping or slipping due to road slickness, etc. To average drivers like the one family member of mine, he got scared just by not slowing down in our high-limit 17"-wheel TSX when the fwy became a high speed ramp. His previous car was just a low-limit C220, & he was able to steer confidently on that same ramp at high speed.
No, I haven't driven the new TL. It was C&D who complained about both the new TL & TSX in their preliminary reports that the steerings lack communication about the tire adhesion.
My personal experience is that the TSX's steering has zero "grip info", & only strong self centering & feeling of bumps from the road. The '01 Audi A4 quattro I drove seems far from this numb, & rides supple, too, so it must not have the optional sport suspension.
but it really is all about personal experience and preference then. I feel alot of things that, for instance, my wife doesn't. Even when I'm the passenger in her car. So different strokes for different folks. But your explanation helped me understand why different people need a different "feel" to their car.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
E-mailed volvocars.com new car contacts and was told these rims were not available for "U.S. market" and then they gave me a list of four names that were.
Too bad, I really think the wheels pictures look the best on the car and Why do they keep picturing the car (US being the primary market) with them if we can't get them?
And TL vs Volvo - I think you are getting to the level of personal opinion between these two cars. I was looking hard at the TL but the rear deck was too high for my wife to see out while backing up (She's 5'3") and she would back over everything in sight including our children. Hope the S40 has a better sight line. Still the TL is a great car. Maybe the s40 can put more comp. and better prices in the market for all.
LOL. hey, look at it this way, then you could get a 2-door sportscar instead.
yeah, yeah, it was tasteless. sue me.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Hurry, the '03 Mazda Protege sedan has a low rear deck, but the car has a firm Japanese ride & un-Japanese-like noise level. Handles great, though. I guess the tasteless Sentra & Lancer also got low rear deck.
Hopefully I'll have an answer next week.
Somebody here mentioned they priced an S40 turbo with Premium and Cold packages for $31.3K, while somebody else priced a base S40 2.4i (non-turbo) at about $29K with Premium and a couple other options.
With a $3500 factory incentive, our area Volvo dealers are pricing the S60 2.5T at least $5000 off of MSRP. An S60 2.5T with Premium, Touring, and Sport packages can be purchased at about $29K. Check out all the features included! It seems like an awesome deal.
With that in mind, what are the arguments for spending more money on the S40 (at least until good discounts are available)? The 6-sp tranny sounds like one good reason. Another reason may be the styling of the S40, but that is perhaps more of a subjective versus objective reason. Are there other significant reasons that I am missing?
Anyway, EVO found the steering over assisted & numb.
The use of electro-hydraulic steering assist is creating such problem, even the Focus C-max is suffering from this compare to the Focus I, although the steering communication is still there & way better than say, the new Golf Touran.
Also, as both CAR & Car&Driver kept complaining about the Mazda3's bottom heaviness, there's no doubt that EVO also found the new S40 T-5 not as agile as the BMW 3-series.
Premium Pkg ($2,295)
Leather Seats (included in premium pkg)
Convienience Pkg ($490)
DSC ($695)
Metallic Paint (Silver): ($450)
Power Glass Moonroof (included in premium pkg)
Destination Fee ($685)
Grand Total: $28,805, minus tax, title, and tags.
Yes. Before I heard about the new S40, I was considering a S60 but was disappointed with the limited rear leg room. I have not seen the 2004.5 S40 in person, but these are the figures according to Edmunds:
2004.5 S40
Rear Leg Room: 34.4 in.
Rear Head Room: 37.2 in.
Rear Shoulder Room: N/A
2004 S60 2.5T FWD
Rear Leg Room: 33.3 in.
Rear Head Room: N/A
Rear Shoulder Room: 55.5 in.
Does 1.1 in. make a difference? For me it does. The 34.4 in. is more in line with the amount of rear leg room in a Acura TSX (34.2 in.) and Audi A4 (34.3 in.), which are two other cars that I am considering.
Tony
Regarding to my post #392, that EVO is a car magazine from Europe, where the lowered sport suspension is standard for the Beemer 3-series. Since EVO did praise the new S40 T5's ride & quietness, it's only fair to compare it to the N.A.-spec Beemer 325i sedan w/ the standard non-sport suspension.
Besides, those 34-ish figures are probably just the KNEE ROOM!
"The 34.4 in. is more in line with the amount of rear leg room in a Acura TSX (34.2 in.) and Audi A4 (34.3 in.), which are two other cars that I am considering."
Both the TSX & A4 got pathetic amount of stretch-our rear leg room, worse than the Mazda3. & since the new S40 shares the same platform & wheelbase as the Mazda3, expect to stretch your feet further in the new S40 than in the TSX & A4.
Try the new Accord sedan, you'll think you're in heaven! ;-)
& don't be misled by the super cool optional "dentist chair" in the RWD Infiniti G35 for COMFORT, as I don't think its shallow-riding Japanese suspension's gonna cut it.
The S60 2.4 will probably be dropped for 2005.
The S60 2.5T will have to be moved upmarket some.
The S40 will be quicker than the S60, as well as having better handling and a more interesting interior.
The S60 will be cheaper, at least for now.
The S60's likely to be an inferior car than the new S40 anyway, from the rear-seating room, acceleration/fuel economy, steering feel...& probably having no better ride comfort, either. Maybe only the quietness.
i took apart a late-model volvo engine in my night school class, and the design for the cylinder valve was unnecessarily complicated, and in my opinion, extremely prone to sticking. volvo must have forgotten the mantra K.I.S.S.
This will compete well against cars in its class.
i've done some research on this vehicle, and i like everything about it except for this. also, does anyone in canada know how much the T5 V50 wagon will cost up here (no AWD)?
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/ae_news_story.php?id=44126
Pretty soon, you will likely to see a gussied up Mini Cooper costing twice as a base Mini Cooper.
& according to CR, the Focus SVT costs less than the base Mini Cooper but beats it hands down from ride, handling/steering to room & comfort.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
The volvos that I know of that started the "unreliable" reputation were the S70s. In particular, the '98s (the year that I own). 84K miles now and no more problematic than my Toyota 4Runner I owned for 4 years and even less problematic than the Subaru Forester we had for 2 years.
Going back prior to the S70s, volvos had a great reputation and great resale value.
The 5-cylinder configuration is nothing new, either. The way it came about was by chopping a cylinder off of their straight-6. Car companies add and subtract cylinders from their engines all the time. I remember Chevy cut 2 off their 5.7 V8 to make the 4.3 V6. VW does it now with their W8/W12 engines. Its common cost-saving practice.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Volvo has charge of the platform for that car.
Meaning that there probably won't be as much sharing in this car as you might think.
6th beatle, WHAT?????
The 5 cyl has been around for over 10 yrs w/ hundreds of thousands of engines built.
Name me one new car that is cheap to fix.
Even your precious honda and scooby-do's can be expensive to repair.
cornell, I guess all those thousands of people who pay for gussied up camrys and accords must be doing something wrong. As has been exhaustively demonstrated here the S40 is alot more than just a swedish focus.