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Buick LaCrosse



  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Odd..I have seen 4 Allures and all have been CXS models. I have yet to see a base model.
  • If I do not like the style of the TL I will not buy one even if it does represent a good value. I am only saying that value is not the only deciding factor in choosing a new vehicle.


    I really like the TL but would never get one because I do not fit comfortable with the standard sunroof.


    I like the LaCrosse as well - just not for my needs. At this point in my life I require something more sporty and it has to have a manual transmission.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Manual? As time goes by, you are going to have fewer and fewer choices!
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    i thought torque steer was only a noticeable problem with manual transmission with the tl.


    it would be nice if it got the rl's SH-AWD.


    well anyway, it looks like the lacrosse is aimed more at the es300 end of the spectrum with its softer ride.
  • mrrogersmrrogers Posts: 391
    I don't know how to post the link, but Warren Brown has a beautful review in the online version of this morning's Washington Post.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    What did they say in a nutshell?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Well, the headline was, honest to goodness:


    Subtly Sexy, Satisfyingly Solid
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    I'd agree with that. There is definitely some Jag mixed in with this new Buick. It's a nice car, can't imagine buying a Camry over a LaCrosse but I guess Toyota still walks on water for some.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    You cant imagine buying a Camry over a LaCrosse, but I can. Toyota doesnt walk on water, but if you compare the fully loaded sporting models of each line, I can get a Camry SE V6 with NAV for $29,500 (MSRP), whereas a LaCrosse CXS w/o NAV (but with auto climate control) is $33,500 (MSRP excluding the disgusting chrome-esque wheels). For me, Im really turned off by a few aspects of the LaCrosse (in the US anyway). No ABS for $23,500 is a joke. The base powerplant may provide ok power, but for a $30K sticker on a moderately equipped CXL, the 3.6L should be available for its refinement and added muscle. Stabilitrak is only available on the CXS, and no trim line offers any type of side impact protection for the chest. Those are some big debits, IMO.


    With respect to the TL, its an excellent value, but as someone pointed out, theres more to a purchase than value. For me, if it were between any of the cars I've mentioned in this post, itd be the TL HANDS DOWN. FWIW, I havent heard of any torque steer issues with the TL 5speed auto.


  • mrrogersmrrogers Posts: 391
    Thanks for posting the Washington Post article by Warren Brown. You are correct that you must be registered to read the article. Since registration is free, I highly recommend it.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    i'm certainly not a big fan of toyota but i would probably get a camry over a lacrosse.
  • New ones (I assume base) are advertised for $29,995 in Albuquerque. I frankly think that the middle line LaCrosse feels larger (less cramped) and doesn't ride like a 1997 Ranger extended cab. It isn't a "sports sedan" but is a pleasant riding well equipped car. Nothing special but it doesn't have to be to appeal to the people Buick is trying to reach.
  • Other than the better resale value, I'd like to know why? Nothing wrong with the Camry - I agree.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I would go Allure for sure. Resale is the only down side I can see but I keep cars for 8 years so it won't make that much difference.


    Allure CXS MSRP is around $33K CDN. Camry XLE is about the same up here. Equipment varies a little but they are similar. Allure CXS has more hp, style (IMO) and more space I believe. Don't care about NAV systems nor do most people.
  • rkw2rkw2 Posts: 66
    I was at the dealership having my Regal serviced and walked over to the sales showroom. I sat in a LaCrosse with an MSRP over $32,000. Outside was nice looking, however I was very disappointed in the interior. The leather on the seats was very stiff and the seats were uncomfortable. The lumbar support was almost ineffective. The dashboard buttons for heat, radio etc were small and cheap looking/feeling. No steering wheel controls for radio. Rear visibility appeared to have a lot of blind spots. Rear seat was very tight. Cup holders were small. The interior looked to have been designed 15 years ago. It is more aesthetically appealing on my new to me 1999 Regal. Salesman told me that sales are very disappointing. I would expect that at that price point. Without having driven the car, I'd say for that kind of money I'd go for an entry level luxury car ie Acura, infinity, Lexus, Volvo, etc....The special red tag sale knocks off a couple of dollars but not a whole lot. A car parked outside had the same MSRP.
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    Couple of dollars, or couple of thousand dollars?
  • rkw2rkw2 Posts: 66
    Only a couple of thousand $$ tag price was still more than $30,000. I forgot to mention that the wood by the gear shifter was badly scratched.....
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Don't you mean the fake stuff that is supposed to look like wood was badly scratched?
  • yurakmyurakm Posts: 1,345
    I thought at first this fake wood is just a Buick nonsense. However, it looks as this is a current fad. Saw the woody plastic on many pictures, even a picture of a new Jeep. By the way, what about your new Ford 500: do I remember it right that it also have a plenty of fake wood on dashboard and/or console?
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Tons of it. I would have preferred honest black plastic! :)


    The 00 Impala LS I traded in for it also had fake wood.


    The worst I ever saw was on the early Altimas, where it was ORANGE!
  • dan165dan165 Posts: 653
    Cheap? I have sat in the Allure and I don't find the interior cheap at all. It's very comparable to a Camry. No it's not a Mercedes but it's also a car that starts at around U$22K / C$25K.
  • The Camry while a nice car, the interior pales in comparison to the CXS. Let's compare.


    Camry - Speedo set does not match the radio which does not match the A/C controls. Only Toyota is this cheap to use LCD instruments. Even a cheap Ford can match all the controls. No backseat reading lamps in the Camry. Door switches are not light & smaller, less supportive seats in the Camry.


    The Camry and the LaCrosse are priced the way they are equipped.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    if the lacrosse is going to be a break through car it needs to attract buyers who would normally not be caught dead in a buick. you know, like what cadillac is doing. i don't see the lacrosse expanding beyond the market the regal had developed.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    Frasierdog: It's not about a feature by feature comparison. It IS about the overall feeling given the driver and passengers by the entire interior. It is about perception. And the fact of the matter is, if GM wants to attract non-GM customers, they will have to far exceed Toyota in interior quality, at least for a while. . . And they can do it. The new Cadillacs are proof that they can.


    The better question is can they do so at a competitive price point? The jury remains out.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I disagree.


    Allure/LaCrosse is better than the Camry inside and out in terms of style and quality. Buick already has a stellar quality reputation and record (go look at the JD Power site), they just need to hammer the message and get the word out better. All you see in Toyota ads is quality claims, they have done a great job instilling that in peoples minds.


    Advertising has not really started on the this car so it will be interesting to see how they position it.
  • venus537venus537 Posts: 1,443
    styling depends on your point of view. i don't see where the quality of the lacrosse is superior to the camry.


    buick has a stellar quality reputation in terms of reliability. if you work with the same designs long enough you're bound to eventually get the bugs worked out.


    what kind of message does GM instil in people's mind with their ads? red tag sales, 0% interest for what ever, rebates....
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Looking over the car, the fit and finish is as good if not better than Camry. Base power is a V6 (vs a 4) and the 3.6L upgrade is more powerful than Camry. The LaCrosse is not an all new car so it's very likely to be as reliable as previous Buicks as much as the Camry was likely to be as reliable as any previous model.


    Key here is marketing the quality and the value hard. Incentives will be added but they have a car that is worthy of much fewer of them.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    That will all depend on sales. Consumers collectively will decide if the car is worthy of selling at full retail...or less, perhaps much less...
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