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Unfortunately, the overpriced dealership is just down the street from the office whereas the reasonable one is on the other side of the Santa Cruz mountains.
Ken
Im assuming youre on the SF peninsula/South Bay.
thanks
Michael
Plus, you can get any of the turbos with a manual, Accord only comes that way in a coupe.
-juice
Just curious.
Plus, it's lighter and more aerodynamic.
Those 3 factors should put it about 1/2 second ahead, is my guesstimate. I say 6.5 seconds for the auto, just under 6 seconds for the MT5.
-juice
Sure, I'm buying from Santa Cruz Subaru. The overpriced dealer that I mentioned is Stevens Creek Subaru. They do price match on occasion, but they're a very old-school dealership in my opinion.
Another good alternative to Santa Cruz is Carlsen. They also do no-haggle up-front pricing but they were asking full MSRP on the GT.
Ken
Ken
Now, if C&D can finally do a test!!!
John
Ken
-juice
Makes you appreciate how good you have it now though if you can look at 7.0 for a mid-size AWD station wagon and have a caniption that it is "too slow".
2020 Acura RDX tech SH-AWD, 2023 Maverick hybrid Lariat luxury package.
When I drove the Forester XT, I felt like I could pass anyone at any time, you just ease into the throttle. Pass at will. Really it has more power than anyone can reasonbly justify. It'll outrun most sports cars!
-juice
What I'd like to know is if the ECU map between the two are any different.
Ken
It's like motorcycles...99% of the time I never even get close to using full power but that 1% or 0.1% when I do I love it and the rest of the time I love just knowing it's there.
Somebody tell me how to reasonably justify a new GT to my wife.
Don
You don't get cursed just for not choosing to be a customer there.
Just remember, Nasioc is the same site where you have guys bragging about chirping the tires in 4th gear (yes 4th) with their heavily modified cars and then complaining that Subaru won't repair their tranny when it's shredded.
I take it with a grain of salt...
Don: not sure you can. Do you live at altitude? Turbos don't wheeze climbing steep hills. Safer passing if you live around lots of two-lanes. Stuff like that. Bigger brakes and better tires are safer. ;-)
-juice
Carlsen and Santa Cruz have both excellent sales and service staff. Actually, for a while, Santa Cruz had the edge, but I believe Carlsen has made an effort to up their service recently.
In any event, you can take you Subaru to any dealer for service.
My GT Ltd. Wagon is due in early July. Can't wait!
Ken
Anyway - if you do have a problem yourself, please let us know. We can always try!
Patti
An easy and free training tool can be having them READ this forum every morning. Then cut Bob and Juice a check for their great insight and research.
;-)
I think the thing is to us it's a hobby, to them it's a job.
-juice
I drove it in a downpour and the thing drove like it was on rails (to quote your girlfriend's favorite movie). No turbo lag, smooth shifting/gearing and a real driver's feel. A few downsides were the steering wheel (tried to tilt it up when it was already all the way up), the cheapy sliding compartment/armrest thing, and the fact that I got about a quart of water in my lap when I opened the door to get out. I can live with all of those.
The disappointing part of the trip was realizing that my dealer is already putting the brakes on discounting the price too much. I guess demand is building.
Mark
Just kidding...
-juice
MSRP of the Outback XT: $44,395
Destination: $995
Documentation fee: $120
Air excise tax: $100
Tire and battery levy: $200
Total cost: $45,810
Total GST/PST taxes paid: $6642.45
Total after tax: $52,452 (Ouch!)
My trade: 2003 Outback H63.0 with leather and sunroofs, $39,400 Kms, new tires, almost mint condigion.
Assessed trade value: $29,000
They said in order to give me a good price on my trade, they would have to charge a higher retail price on the XT.
Now, based on US markups at about 8.5%, I estimate that my dealer is buying this car for about $41,000, making about $3774 on that car. I figure if they sell my trade in for $33,000, they are making about $7700 on my whole transaction.
I plan on financing the balance after my trade, (about $19,000 at 5.5% for 60 months).
So far, I cannot afford their current offer. What suggestions do you have for a successful rebuttal?
Thank you and I patiently await your responses.
Seriously, I think you are right on the money with your invoice calculation. I also wonder who is going to give the dealer 33K in cash without finance deals for a used H6 (outgoing model)...but that is their problem/risk.
Consider selling the H6 privately and offer somewhere around 42, plus the other charges for the XT. May have to wait till they realise that few people other than the really committed will pay mid 40s for an Outback, and prices soften and incentives are introduced. Right now it is a hot car.
Try another dealer and agree a price in cash first before mentioning the trade, dont even acknowledge the existence of the H6 until you have figured out how low they will go for cash. I took my wife's 95 golf to all test drives instead of my forester to help confuse them.
Good luck, JP
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Bob
Just trying to rationalize to myself getting the 1.0 version...
So far...
-Ian
So, this seems like a recurring theme..... wonder where the water is coming from??
Craig
wonder where the water is coming from??
<<<
the sky?
I'm back to 50/50 on a Forester XT versus Legacy GT...
-B
mark
I'm sure people at SOA had a hard choice to make given that the 05 Legacys just started to hit showfloors.
Ken
I looked in the trunk of an 05 Legacy 2.5i sedan. It's speced as 11.4 cu ft, but it looked a LOT bigger than another trunk speced at 10.7. So I did some simple measurements.
Here are the measurements I got. The distance from the front of the trunk (not counting the little extra for the pass-through) to the back came to 40". Side to side between the wheel wells is 43". (That leaves some space off to the side both in front of and behind the wheel wells.) The height from the floor to the heavy wire is 17". Multiplying that out comes to a lot more than 11.4 cu ft.
I realize the rear seats slope back a bit, and there are a few items that stick down from the top of the trunk near the front, but those things aren't going to reduce that size by 5 cu ft. In fact I doubt they would even offset the extra volume available to the front and rear of the wheel wells.
Are there special rules to be followed or can't I measure or ??
wonder where the water is coming from??
the sky? <<<
lol!
Cheers
Bob
You could certainly get the max volume by stuffing the trunk with marbles and then doing a count, but that's probably not a useful measure of volume .... unless you're a bulk marble salesman of course.
Craig
I'm not sure the marble method would give you a true max volume as you would have to make assumptions about contact points between the marbles and there may be small voids not filled. The only valid method would be to fill it with water and measure how much goes in !!
(I'm not sure we are being of much help to the man here though)
Pete
edit: BTW, there is a formula somewhere where you can correct for measuring volume with discrete spheres. If the spheres are small enough relative to the volume, the error is very manageable. (I run numerical simulations, and can think about this stuff for hours on end....)
Craig
It's interesting in a way. The bags meet fed. spec., but the issue was with how they were folded. The speed of deployment is slower than what we want. They are not just re-folding them. We are replacing the whole assembly.
We have the list of purchasers and we'll be working to make it up to them. I am sorry I couldn't talk about it sooner and that the problem happened. I also appreciate how positive you folks are about recognizing why we are taking this path vs. waiting. It probably would have been better for sales if we delayed talking about it until the launch was complete - but it's just not the way we want to do business. And that makes me proud to work for this company.
More info. to come as soon as we've ironed out the details.......Thanks folks.
Patti
Now I see what you meant Thurs. night about "wait and see". I'm happy that SOA is being proactive, instead of reactive on this. And I di notice the press release noted that the quality was not up to Fuji standards. Score one for Subaru!
Mark
Seems silly huh, but the trunck looks huge.
Bob