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2013 and earlier-Subaru Forester Prices Paid and Buying Experience

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I recommend you visit a no-haggle dealer next time. Usually the car salesman are salaried and earn bonuses based on your satisfaction.

    That way you get people truly focused on finding you the exact car you want, and working hard to make you happy, not to make a buck.

    Since I switched to that type of buying, the buying experience has improved tremendously. And frankly that is more important to me vs. getting $100 more off the bottom line.

    The sales man I go to is someone I consider a friend, when I go test drive cars there he just tosses me the keys and says "have fun". It's nice to have a friendly relationship like that with a dealer.
  • No, it's not insensitive at all. I want the dealer to profit. I just down know if I am paying 1000 too much or not, that's the whole point. How do we know other then to pay the average price everyone else has paid. I got my Foreter at Mark Miller Subaru. Basic 2.5x with alloy wheels, roof rails and the automatic. My wife does not like the 5 speed in stop and go city driving and she will be driving this car. The price out the door was 22985.00. Is that a good price,,,,,, I have no idea. I was not willing to spend more then 23000.

    I live in Utah. My home is it 8000 feet. We get 25 or more feet of snow each winter from Sept to June. The salt is what takes the cars out. I am very easy on cars and engines. I use Mobile 1 oil since it flows better when it's cold. I only run manual transmissions in my cars because they are simple and just don't give out. I have also never replaced a clutch. Never over rev an engine. Our 2007 Impreza is not even close to the toughness of my 1984 and 1994s of which we had a pair. My 1994 was the best car I have ever owned. Every Subaru I have owen out performs everything in snow. I have a hill side home with a 23 percent grade driveway and the Subarus go up the driveway covered with snow just like it's July. With snow on the driveway my Toyota truck in 4WD low only makes it half way and slides back down with all 4 wheels spinning. Going up the hills to my home I pass jeeps which can't pull the snow covered grades (mostly because they have the wrong tires). I will say the 2007 engine runs very well and has more power. One reason to not get new ones is that the salt on our roads for 7 months a years just eats them.
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 7,111
    Subaru should pay you to do some marketing for them & film their cars driving around your neck of the woods.

    2001 Honda Prelude Type SH/ 2011 BMW 328xi / 2011 Honda Pilot EX-L w/ Navigation

  • There is no credability in the car market today. After purchasing two 3 year old off lease cars i vowed never to buy new again, but i did. New 2011 forester touring before they arrived at dealers. 1300 under invoice. The automakers over the years have already built into the price the game of invoice pricing. Cars are mass produced on assembly lines. Give or take a few thousand dollars it costs basically the same to build a $18,000 car or a $40,000 car. Its all about marketing. We the consumer and i accept this game by buying these new cars for way to much money. This is not about profit, remember mass produced on a assembly line. Just my opinion
  • mountaindogmountaindog Posts: 23
    edited February 2011
    Well, Saturday I picked up a new Forester.

    2011
    Automatic trans
    alloy wheels
    roof rails

    The total price was 22985.00. Did I get a good deal? I have no idea. I still have no clue what the profit was on this car.

    22985 -(1200 sales tax + 80 DMV + 5 tire disposal)
    22985 - 1285 = 21700

    So 21700 went to the dealer. Now here it the question.

    What profit did the dealer earn? On the way out door the Salesman insulted me one more time. "We only made 90 dollars on this car." Right, and I'm Teddy Roosevelt.

    So, was the profit:
    5 dollars
    50 dollars
    500 dollars
    5000 dollars
    ???????
    I would like to know because if it was only 90 dollars they won't be around when I need parts.

    What ever the price, profit is fine with me. But,,,,,,,,,,, why the BS "we only made 90 dollars". Was that comment really necessary? If any dealers are here you should know that if you have used lines like that we don't think much of you.
  • Profit is whats left after all expenses ,taxes and salaries are paid.The Salesman has no clue what profit the owners are making.The ownership can pay themselves and management whatever they want. This is real business. With the investment the have an owner has a right to make money. But again the insults from salesmen saying there making $90.00 on a car or loosing money on this deal is a complete joke.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Maybe they have some formula where they figure their total monthly expenses to operate the dealership and divide by the number of cars they sell.

    Any how, don't worry, enjoy your car and congrats!

    My brother is actively shopping for a Forester manual with the Premium package, with or without AWP. Lemme know if anyone finds one in the DC area.
  • I have been driving Subarus since 1977.

    As for first impressions of the 2011 Forester. The most important, high tech items on the car is:

    The oil filter on top of the engine where a human can get to it. Whoever the engineer was who came up with that idea, many thanks. Hundreds of millions of cars world wide and you got it right.

    I didn't check as I usually do but, with the new motor and longer piston stroke is it now and interference engine? Wonder how long the chain will last?

    Thanks.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I like the oil filter location, too. 7500 mile intervals are longer now, and that's almost a shame! LOL

    The EJ25 was also interference, so that didn't change.

    I'd feel *MUCH* safer with a timing chain vs. an older timing belt, say >6 years old.
  • I know everyone is going to jump all over me but, here goes.

    I only change oil every 15000 miles. I change the filter every 5000. I run Mobil 1 10W 30. I have done this on my last 3 cars and 1 truck.

    1994 Impreza 280,000 miles. Dead due to rust
    1995 Impreza 148,000 miles. Sold while running just fine and it's still fine
    1994 Toyota T100 truck 155,000 still going strong
    2007 Impreza 90,000 miles still running just fine.

    None of these 3 cars and 1 truck consume any oil.

    I started doing this 15 years ago when I was commuting 120 miles each day. I was doing a lot of oil changes at 5000 miles. So I switched to synthetic oil and a change interval of 15,000 miles with 3 filters.

    As for the new forester, it will be my wife's car. It has way too much automatic junk on it for me.

    auto trans
    push button door locks
    push button to disable the computer transaction system
    auto windows

    I remember when we actually had to learn how a car worked. I smile when I think of the choke and throttle cables. I still double clutch a manual transmission, habit from those years driving a dump truck at a quarry. One of these days I will try to double clutch on a down shift forgetting I am in a new auto trans forester and slam on the brakes twice. Those were the good old days, 5 speed manual with a 2 speed electric rear differential.

    Winding a rope around the top of the motor to pull start the lawn mower.

    Soon all will need to do is sit in a chair and eat all day.

    Not sure where we are going with all this stuff. My first 1977 front driver Subaru got over 40 MPG. Now we are down to 27.

    I still want to know how much the dealer paid Subaru of America to put my car on the lot.
  • Not quite the same as the car prices but still a question on what you paid. I am leery of dealership doing my maintenance but until my warranty is up I want to use them, I don't want any hassles in case of a problem.

    I just brought my car in for the 7500 mile check up and oil change. I have a 2010 premium forester no turbo or anything fancy, except AWP. I did request to put in synthetic oil since I found that when my VW mechanic changed to synthetic my car ran 90% better than before (and had he done it 6 months earlier I might have postponed buying the forrester until now instead of last year- though the AWD did come in handy this year in NY).

    I paid $167 + tax. The inspection which they say cost $10 was free since I bought the car from them.

    What have others paid?

    Thanks, Silvia
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm not gonna jump all over you ... it's your car. LOL

    I think most people change their oil too often, actually. I've drained oil I could see through before.

    One reason I think the intervals aren't often long is that the manufacturers want a chance to spot any early signs of problems. Not to mention dealers make more money on service than they do on new car sales.
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,218
    Yeah, I also won't jump someone's case for how they choose to maintain their car. My only suggestion is to make sure that the manual is followed for maintenance during the warranty period. Even if using synthetic oil, should there be an engine failure the automaker can refuse warranty coverage and legitimately cite failure to maintain the vehicle as a reason.

    It's because of that sort of thing that I use normal oil & follow the scheduled maintenance pretty religiously during warranty. After warranty I'll switch to synthetic & extend the intervals to what seems to make sense for me & the car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yep, at least go with the "schedule B" as it's often called.
  • I changed my own oi lon 2011 touring myself. Anyone can do work on your car,but the dealers use scare tactics. They even give you info on how to change oil in your car manuel. Im bringing my 2011 to dealer to check warrenty item and having synthetic oil changed and tires rotated. The cost is $79.00 This is fair. I would not pay much more than this. My local mechanic charges me 59.00 for synthetic oil change if i use him. I did purchase subaru oil filters on line. About $4.50 each.
  • I paid about $66 at a dealer in the Chicago area. Includes Synthetic oil/filter
    plug gasket and so called inspection.
    I think $167 is a little high.
  • fushigifushigi Posts: 1,218
    The first time I had a place supply the synthetic oil they charged something like $10 a quart; overall the oil change was about $80. I later found Mobil1 at Sam's Club and it was $30 for 6 quarts. I just checked and depending on weight it's $32-33.

    Check with your shop; you may be able to save some money by bringing in your own oil. Even if they charge the automotive equivalent of a corking fee it's probably still cheaper to bring your own than to use theirs. And since the 6 quart pack is likely less than what a single oil change calls for, you're actually buying enough oil that every 4th or 5th change you won't have to buy any at all.
  • Hi thanks, $169 wasn't just the oil change - it included the other "stuff" that gets done during a 7500 mile check up or is that only an oil change. I noticed he did remove a tire to check on the brakes, or so it said on the inspection paper.

    He said add $25 for the synthetic oil vs normal oil, I knew that was a rip off but since I wanted synthetic I paid and my next oil change should be free at this place I hope it includes the same type of oil they charged me for. It supposed to be every other oil change is free, granted if they charge you double for the one you pay you are not getting anything free.

    I can't change the oil, I will change a cabin filter, air filter maybe even a battery depending on the car but oil changes are not something I think I would do, not something for a girl to do. But I can buy the oil and have them use that next time, though it's supposed to be free.

    Thanks. Silvia
  • joybell1joybell1 Posts: 1
    I've had a lot of problems with my Forester 2003 purchased new -many, many trips to the dealer which is now in Montreal (local dealership closed). They even had to change the engine (rebore the block). So when it came to finding a car for my kids to go to drive to college, I searched for an earlier, used model. The only problem the earlier Foresters had were head gaskets, right? That seems a minor problem to me now, after my Forester 2003 experience. I found a 2002 Forester Premium, fully loaded, just south of border in upper NY state, with 131,000 miles on it. Paid US$ 7500. Right now we are waiting for the paperwork to finish in order to bring it back across the border to Canada. Then it needs to be federally and provincially inspected before we can license it.

    Anything I should know about this model as far as what are the usual problems? Hopefully it was made in "one of the good years"!!
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