I had my tranny shift program reflashed and it solve 99% of my hard shifting problem.
Reflashing is really just a computer software update - some would call it a patch -
If you replace a computer and reload the same defective software program you will still have the same problem - but change the software and the problem is solved.
The stalling sounds like a classic software problem - it only happens once in a while - and at other times the car runs fine.
It could be the result of two programs telling the engine to do different things at the same time. The patch solves the conflict and eliminates the problem.
Has anyone here noticed, the sometimes subtle intermittent rough idle in their 3? I'm not talking about any rough idle when you have the defrost or A/C on, just a very slight rough idle? Grounding of the throttle body is suppose to improve things.
I have read about grounding the throttle body before -
I have not looked at the Mazda3 specifically - but it seems like most cars have metal to metal contact between the throttle body and the frame of the car anyway - I never really understood why an additional grounding point would do anything. But some swear it makes a difference.
I never really understood why an additional grounding point would do anything. But some swear it makes a difference.
My son and I did this to his 06 GT about 3 weeks ago...no noticable difference.... as I expected....but no harm either, that we can tell. He wasn't experiencing any issues, just had read it is a positive improvement.
I tried the grounding of the throttle body and found no difference. I still have it on. I think more feel no difference. Try the Toronto Mazda 3 forum it was talked about a lot. I get a very slight rough idle most times and other times the car feels like its not running but not very often. The slight rough idle was right from the beginning. I tried a 2005 Altima 4 banger and the rough idle on that car was bad, could feel it in the seats and steering wheel. I tried an other 4 cylinder and it was the same, so I stayed away from the Altima. The 6 cylinder Altima had a much smoother idle but didn't want a 4 banger in a large car. I think most 4 cylinder cars have a slight rough idle, its just the nature of the beast. I have a 1988 GMC V8 pick up, 282,000KM and it idles sooooooo smooth and only do plug, cap changes every 3 years or so and wires about 5 years ago (second set) and of course regular dino oil changes, has never stalled or refused to start, never. I think maybe there is too much technology in cars these days, computer, sensors etc. Go to the Toyota Camry forum and read the problems the owners are having with the 6 speed automatics in the V6. Just too much technology in the tranny that causes more problems than good. Trying to make the car tell you how to drive it instead of you telling it how you want to drive it. Looks like Toyota is off my buy list for the moment. The Impala looks good so far.
Gauging fuiel on an incline is a tricky thing. The ford I'm getting rid of thinks it's a 1/4 tank lower when the left side of the car is tilted down.
Could you provide more details on the direction of the incline for us so that we know what to look out for? Is it usually the front, back, left, or right of the car that is lower?
I recently got a new MAZDA 3i . I got this vehicle from used car dealer shop while driving the car i didnt checked for AC and i found that the car is not having a AC . I was stuck i already signed the deal thought i can get an AC install from MAZDA . But i couldnt find any Dealers say that if the car has not come with an AC then they can not install an AC in that. I checked with many dealers none of them had it i was like surprised how this thing can happen a 2004 car cant get an AC . I checked for after market dealers some say it will cost 3000$ bucks which is like impossible or me to pay . Can some body suggest me some thing so that i can get an AC in my car without that its tough to drive in CA ..... Car is gr8 but i am kind of sad coz it doesnt have an AC
so mine starts shaking engine light on, goes into the dealership they reflash it, I try to open the doors with the remotes, notta, they say its dead batteries coinccidence don't you think, new batteries nothing, find out they blew the whole fuse box
A few months ago my engine started as soon as I turned the key - today while starting my engine for the first time I counted - one one thousand - two one thousand bla bla bla and got to five one thousand before the engine finally started. Per Mazda standard as long as your car starts in LESS THAN 10 SECONDS it is within spec.
10 seconds may not sound like a long time for some things - but to start an engine it is a very long time.
This is from a Mazda TSB "some vehicles may experience an engine with hard starting (cranks but takes 10 seconds or longer to start). The condition is more likely after vehicle sits overnight or for an extended time. Rough idle may occur just after the engine is started."
I hope my dealer doesn't think 10 seconds to start a car is normal - I do not - even if it is only on the first start up each day. This is just another example of Mazda setting the bar so low that even the cars with defects still pass the test. Just like the 52 degree AC vent temp standard.
Hello: I am new to this forum. After doing some research regarding automobiles it seems Edmonds.com is the most comprehensive of web sites.
I have not purchased a new car in 14 years. I currently on a 92 Honda Accord and have been quite satisfied with it. However Honda has become quite independent in our city and wants to put potential customers on a waiting list and charges full MSRP! At this point in time I am thinking about a Toyota Camry,Toyota Corolla, and a Mazda3.
However, I have become quite concerned about the Mazda3 after reading this thread. I live in Oklahoma and it gets quite hot in the summertime. Common temperatures in July and August can reach into the 100+ degree Fahrenheit range. So all of the comments about the Mazda3 air-conditioning problems concerns me greatly, as well as the other difficulties that this automobile seems to be having.
Does anyone know if these problems have been resolved for the new 2006 Mazda3?
I asked this question less than a week ago, after reading many pages of comments here. No answer has yet arrived.
I did, however, focus on this during a test drive this past week, and this is what i found out: The Grand Touring's AC has fancier (automatic temperature) controls, but under the hood it is the same unit. The Touring took a long time to /warm up/ the car, which was of course the first thing i needed to do to test the ac. The AC then came on relatively quick but the fan was weak even at full speed. The car did indeed cool down, and living in NY I probably would find it sufficient. However, it certainly wasn't the arctic blast i can get out of my Ford, and it's very clear that everyone's impression of the mazda AC differs.
I also drove a civic the same night and found it's AC to be only nominally better. Heck, it may even be that some of the MPG guarantees are kept in place by an underpowered AC. I do wish a few other folks would weigh in on this with 2006 M3 specifics.
I am disappointed also sidruid that more people are not responding to these questions about the Mazda3. They are very important questions that certainly gives a potential new customer pause.
I am not going to spend my money for a new automobile that has these kinds of difficulties. It's interesting to note that I went to the MazdaUSA web site and tried to send them an e-mail asking them if this air-conditioning problem had been fixed on their newest automobiles. I was not able to send it because of the way the web site was set up. It wanted my VIN number even though there was a place just above this question that ask me whether or not I was a Mazda owner. I said "No" but the web site still wanted a VIN number. I gave up in disgust and came back to Edmonds.com and registered so I could post my question here.
It just seems that Mazda has some problems that it is failing to address. I noticed one poster had previously suggested that he had trepidations when Ford bought into Mazda. When I was looking at the Mazda3 I mentioned to the salesman that I had heard Ford bought Mazda. He very quickly corrected me and said that they had only purchased one-third of the company. Evidently this was enough to screw them up.
In any event it doesn't look like I will be buying a Mazda.
Try testing the cars A/C when the temp is over 80F or higher. Make sure it is a sunny day,try and drive it facing the sun so you get the sun hitting the dash. The jury is still out on the A/C issue. I have a 05 and in stop and go traffic on a very hot sunny day the A/C truely sucks. On the highway at high speed it is OK. So if a lot of your driving to and back from work etc is stop and go than you may not be happy...so when you do your test drive sit in the car, idling with the A/C on in the sun for a few minutes, drive a few minutes and stop for a few minutes and see how the A/C works.
My fiance' and I recently purchased an 06 3s sedan. Having read these forums and others, A/C was one of the top things on my list to really check out. I did all the test drives on hot, humid, sunny days (90+ degrees).
After driving two 3i's, both seemed to have adequate A/C. That said, the 3s we ended up buying seems not only completely satisfactory, but slightly better than the 3i's. This slight, yet appreciable difference may be attributable to the dark tint the dealer installed on our car. Actually, I think it cools as well as the A/C in my 02 Chevy Avalanche.
My fiance' uses the 3 as her commute car, driving roughly 80 miles/daily in the hot Florida sun. It does get rather warm and steamy in this neck of the woods, and she's completely satisfied with the A/C in this car.
Today, I needed to move the car. Given that it's not quite broken in yet, I don't just start it and move it. I actually drive it far enough to let the engine fully warm up. So, I started the car...rolled down the front windows and gave it a minute or so to come down to idle speed. Then, I turned the fan speed to 3 also turning on the A/C compressor. Backed the car out of the driveway and headed down our street. Rolled up the windows about 100 feet from our house, immediately feeling the air chill down coming out of the vents. By the end of our street (about half a mile), I turned the fan speed down to 2 and was quite comfortable. Oh, today was about 94 degrees and extremely humid...though not very sunny.
Bottom line is definitely drive the car on a hot day to ensure the one you buy is working well. If you end up buying a car other than the one you test drive, insist on driving the car you plan to actually buy before closing the deal. I know some folks have had problems with their A/C, but just wanted to let those considering a 3 know that not ALL 3's have A/C problems. We're absolutely thrilled with this car :shades:
Thank you mryum for responding about the AC problem. I am glad your 3 has good air. But it's it sad a potential buyer should have to go through the drill you suggests to make sure they're going to get an auto with good air-conditioning? Especially since this is the year 2006, and air-conditioning in automobiles has been a standard feature for at least the last 30 years.
I just cannot feel comfortable with an automobile manufacturing company who has had these kinds of problems for as long as the posters on this forum indicate. With this kind of approach to manufacturing one has to wonder what other factors are going to rear their ugly head after you have put down your cash money on the table and signed a deal.
I was quite impressed with the 3 that I drove. I think Mazda has done a commendable job of combining drivability, comfort, and economy in a very nice package. But dependability, reliability, and longevity are also extremely important to me. At my stage of life, I am in my late '60s,I have had all the problems I want to face. I am not looking for any new challenges. Certainly not when I'm going to have to lay out this kind of money.
I notice in reading the Honda forum that some officials from the Honda motor Co. seem to be posting in response to some of the Edmunds.com members. You would think by now that someone from Mazda would have read these derogatory posts about their air-conditioning problem and would have responded in this form.
It is quite sad at this point in automobile evolution that companies as large as Mazda and Ford are not paying attention to real live everyday people who are using their products!
Just my point of view.
Again, thank you for responding. Enjoy your new Mazda.
Completely understand your concerns and your point of view Eagle. It was reading these forums that prompted me to really thoroughly check out the potential candidates. And again, ALL the 3's I drove had fully adequate A/C here in hot sticky Florida.
That said, any car company can have some bad cars. I've owned 40+ cars over the years, with about half of those being purchased new. And yes, I've had more than my share of problems with new cars...it's always a risk. So, all one can do is really do their homework before purchasing. And if problems do arise, work reasonably with the dealer/manufacturer to rectify those problems.
For example, I had one new Jeep where the dealer gave me his own demo to replace my problem car. And another Jeep that Chrysler kicked in a $3k voucher so that I could get a new car without anything out of pocket. Both those Jeeps were a major pain, but I did reach resolution in the end by working with the dealer/reps.
And sometimes it comes down to pure numbers. From the research I did, there were vastly more people absolutely thrilled with these cars than there were people complaining about a/c problems. I sincerely mean no dis-respect to anyone on these forums. But, some people also have un-realistic expectations and are therefore virtually impossible to please.
Just some food for thought. All the best to you in your quest for new wheels.
I think you're missing an important point of what has been discussed to death: Mazda3 GT's with auto climate control's ARE FINE but those without auto climate control are not. If you are not driving or road testing other 3 models than you will find that the A/C is ok with the GT.
Actually, the two 3i sedans that I drove were both touring models.
The car I purchased is a base 3s sedan, which comes so well equipped, the only added options I needed were the 5 speed auto and side air bags/curtains.
None of these cars had the auto climate control and the A/C performed fine in our wonderful Florida heat. I don't doubt that there were and possibly still are some cars out there with A/C problems. I'm simply providing a counterpoint that not ALL 3's have inadequate A/C.
Frankly, I'm so pleased with this car...I just think it would be a shame if someone eliminates this fine automobile from their list based solely on 'possible' A/C issues. Like any other new car purchase, one needs to do their research. Then, thoroughly test drive and check out the actual car they will be taking home. As we all know, ANY new car has the potential to be problematic.
I had one particular German car several years ago that spent the last year and a half of its lease sitting in my garage. It was out of warranty and it seemed as though every time I drove it, something else would break. The car was obscenely expensive to work on and was so upside down in the lease, I was unable to sell it. Believe me, I can relate to purchasing a problem car.
Out of curiousity, has anyone deduced if this A/C issue is specific to the hatch? Just wondering if perhaps interior volume could be playing a role.
The auto climate control does nothing to increase AC capacity - this is just not reality.
Some cars with auto climate control have good AC - some cars without auto climate control also have good AC.
BUT some cars with auto climate control have weak AC as do some without auto climate control.
If auto climate control solved the problem why do some cars with it HAVE the defect?
The capacity of an AC system is determined by the compressor, condenser and evaperator not by the way the thing is turned on and off.
These major components are the same in both systems (auto or manual).
If you are lucky and get a Mazda3 with a good AC system thats great - but if you get stuck with a weak AC then Mazda will do nothing to solve the problem.
It does not depend on who your dealer is - because NO dealership has ever fixed a Mazda3 that has the weak AC system. If they have then someone please post what they did to fix the problem.
After all this talk about the problem with the Mazda3 A/C, I would have thought that Mazda would have had someone respond on these forums about this A/C issue.
If you want to see how a company does it right, when they have a manufacturing defect, go to this Edmunds.com forum post and get a taste of real customer relations from Toyota.
Have to agree with you. I also been in the Toyota Camry forum. Apparently the v6, 6 speed tranny is having it share of problems. And yes a rep from Toyota has frequently posted. That is how you do business with your customers. Are you listening Mazda-Ford..
In reading that thread, it would appear that they're discussing a significant safety issue. And one that is in fact leaving owners of their flagship model stranded. Completely different than underperforming A/C in some cars.
But hey, I really didn't come here to revive or debate the A/C issue. My sole purpose was to provide a counterpoint for those considering purchasing this awesome little machine. I drove 3 cars, the A/C in all threee performed acceptably.
Frankly, I'm thrilled that Mazda has brought this much car to the market in this price range
I think most on this thread would agree that the Mazda3 has many positive features - after all majority of the posts are either from people who have purchased one - or are at least thinking about buying one. But -
I would rather have my tranny go out (VS having a weak AC) - 100% complete tranny failure would be better - at least then I would have a pretty good chance that Mazda would fix the car. It would be hard for anyone - even Mazda to say that a car that will not move because of a failed tranny is operating within spec.
If you don't think the AC is a real problem they try this test - next time its over 90 degrees outside turn your AC off (you can still use the fan) and see how much fun it is to sweat while you drive - for added impact you should keep the windows up - having 3 or 4 other people in the car with you is also a good idea. Let me know how that works out.
I would have thought that Mazda would have had someone respond on these forums about this A/C issue. If you want to see how a company does it right, when they have a manufacturing defect, go to this Edmunds.com forum post and get a taste of real customer relations from Toyota.
Interesting. It appears that Toyota Motor Sales USA is providing a new avenue of support via services like Edmunds. The purpose appears to be a communication exercise to ensure information to current and potential clients is distributed broadly. I believe TMSUSA does not do this across the board but for this special case only. From what I've read here, Mazda is treating complaints the way most manufacturers (including Toyota) have done in the past: report your problem to an authorized dealer and, if not resolved, escalate to corporate headquarters. The fact that some consumers are not satisfied with the results is problematic but not completely surprising; that said, it is important that the manufacturer provide reasonable support for their products.
You take your car into the dealer and tell them the AC is weak. They check it out - tell you its operating within the Mazda spec.
So you call Mazda customer service - they tell you that the dealership is responsible for deciding if a problem exists.
So you go back to the dealership - they tell you that repairs to the AC system are not being approved by Mazda (corporate) - so their is nothing they can do. If I want to complain it should be directed at Mazda customer service.
After going through this - what I consider a run around - I sent Mazda customer service an E-mail and ask the what I should do next - the answer I got (per an E-mail) was GO SEE YOUR STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL!
When I tried to send a response my E-mail came back undelivered - my E-mail address had been blocked by Mazda customer service.
I was not being nasty or even rude with them. I just detailed out everything I had done to solve the problem - detailed out the dates I had made trips to the dealership - the dates I had talked with Mazda customer service and the previous E-mails I had sent.
And Bill, the loyal Mazda followers could/would easily post a rebuttal saying none of this actually happened.
Mazda's attitude does suck and even now when the dealer tells me that they *may* have some kind of a fix for the A/C issue we all are having, Mazda headoffice including the senior customer service managers/reps are going on record saying that "they never heard of any A/C problem" with the Mazda3 except of the diffuser plate issue.
Mazda's philosphy is NEVER admit any liability if there is something wrong with your car unless they have a fix already in place to correct it.
To some, driving a Mazda is more important than the vehicle's reliability and the company standing by their product; afterall, it's the *fun* factor that outweighs all the problems or liklihood of problems with the car....how juvenile an attitude is that?
No one complains about a product that is not problematic; neither do we complain about the "likelihood" of a problem that we have not experienced. So, talking about the "fun" you're having with your problem-free car seems perfectly reasonable and not "juvenile".
We all realize that everything from any company is not perfect. Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda, etc. have all had issues. That does not mean all their products are problematic. In fact, all of these have scored well in Consumer Reports extensive polling of vehicle reliability. The Mazda3 has been rated by CR for several years as a reliable vehicle not a perfect vehicle.
On the other hand, service is an issue if the company does not respond when a problem is identified. We all want companies to do the right thing, if not, they will lose our trust and therefore our business.
I don't buy what Consumer Reports writes and neither do those who have the problems with the Mazda3's. It seems that only some folk here on Edmunds are weighing heavily on the ratings of CR while many in other forums are in disagreement with CR.
And as far as ratings go, the ones done by JD Powers has in ALL of my experiences been completely accurate. FYI, JD Powers ratings are less favorable in rating the Mazda3.
If people want to believe Mazda is a fun and reliable car to drive, and the fun factor takes precedence then that's their right. However, I know better and so do many others. I also know there is no such thing as Santa Clause despite what I have been told.
JD Powers, btw, is based exclusively on buyer's perception, per their definition of their Power Circles.
Furthermore, since people only rate one car, the cross-model indicators aren't accurate. Also, you'll find interesting results on many cars. Try comparing the Toyota Corolla ES, Honda Civic 06 LX, Mazda 3 S and Subaru Impreza wagon. You'll be amazed at people's perception of "performance," in particular.
JDP is the textbook example of "Your mileage may vary."
The Car Wasn't any good? Ha, these websites get the most posting from those that have problems. I posted here about the air conditioner in my particular Mazda 3 being below standards. Since R134 started being used those standards are slightly lower in most new cars. Sure I would like it to work better, but the rest of the Car? In my opinion the Mazda 3 outhandles almost any other car in its class. More for your money than Honda or Toyota. I made an informed decision when I bought it, I only expected a high performing A/C and didn't find out till later it wasn't. No other complaints here.
Yes, Toyota Mazda Honda Nissan all are having issues. As has been stated you are put through the grinder each time you complain about a problem. The standard of all of them is 1st: Denial, 2. " We can't replicate your complaint",3. It's normal and etc.. There are NNNNOOOOO perfect vehicles out there, There probably aren't even any really Good ones either. They don"t make them like they use to. I've been hunting for 5+ years and all I hear about is very poorly made cars. They fall apart sometimes within weeks of purchase. More plastic than ever before. Getting a good one is like playing russian roulette with a gun!!! :P
There are NO perfect cars in a budget price range but some are worse or problematic than others, Mazda being one of them . Toyota and Honda are not perfect but they are leaders in reliability, dependability, and customer service. Something that Mazda fails in all of the categories. However, if you believe in CR (and in Santa Clause), Mazda excels in these categories.
Bill, your freezer isn't surrounded by windows and crusing down the blacktop in bright sunshine and 100+ degree temps. And I'd venture it a safe bet it's better insulated than a car too. Talk about comparing apples to oranges...sheesh.
Butterfly, you might wanna re-check your research. The cars being built these days are far more efficient, reliable and safe than they've ever been. I've been buying new cars for the past 30 years, and I'd stack this Mazda up against any of em.
Ex tdier, again...check your research instead of just blowing off steam man. I know you're not happy with your car. Yep, it happens...it's always a risk when buying a new vehicle. As mentioned in another thread, I've had more than my share of turkeys. One of which was a $50k German sportscar...it happens to the best of em. If you're that unhappy...SELL the car and try again.
This ain't rocket science guys. Why the heck someone would continue to be miserable and complain for YEARS about a car they HATE is simply stunning. These cars are holding their value quite well...JUMP SHIP!
Oh, on a brighter note...just got 31.2 mpg on my 2nd full tank. I'm lovin my new Mazda...and just for you perpetual complainers...Zoom Zoom :shades:
"On a brighter note you got 31.2 mpg".. What size engine do you have? auto or manual? city or highway driving? A/C on or off? Imperial or U.S. gallons? need more info you perpetual Zoom Zoomer. If you are going to post be a little clearer than mud. If you would have done your research you would have not bought that $50k German car (all of them :lemon: ) because they are noted for their lack of reliabilty over the years. The Mazda3 :sick: has only been on the market a short time and in the end it's reliablity, or lack of, will catch up to that German, or any German car, you bought. With a handle like "mryum" it appears you are full of yourself. Maybe you should go with "mrmazda" instead :P Thanks to Bill, Butterfly and Ex_tdier for your input. I didn't think for one moment you were all whinning.
Ya know...upon further review...you're right Nifty.
Was having some computer problems last night and was more than a bit cranky. That's no excuse though, my post was over the top and unnecessary. My sincere apologies to the recipients of my little tirade
I didn't clarify the model specifics on mileage because I was simply being a smartass. However, for your edification...
06 3S 2.3 5 spd Auto 70/30 Hwy/Cty A/C on most of the time US Gals 298.8 Miles/9.5 Gals to fill
Absolutely true, that particular model of the German car ended up having horrible reliability. It was a first year model and no long term data was available to research at the time. Only time will tell how the Mazda 3 holds up, but there are already many folks racking up pretty good miles and their cars are strong.
The handle has to do with my business...nothing more.
And with that, as much as I appreciate the edmunds site...it was an invaluable tool as I was researching which car to buy...I think it's time for me to bid you fine folks of the forums farewell. Fact is...there are other forums that contain vastly more useful information on the 3. And I really don't have the time to get overly involved in another site anyway.
Again, my sincere apologies...it's certainly not my place to chastise other posters here...and I do regret having done so in such a condescending manner
In my 2002 Jetta it was fine, not stellar, but fine. For stellar A/C, I would expect that in a NA make like a 6 or 8 cylender GM. In fact, I drove a low end BMW, I think it was one of the 320's back in 2002 on a hot day and I was very disappointed with theh A/C. It all depends on which manufacturer, model, and design you have, not the refridgerant.
There was a time when Honda automobiles and their customer service was reliable and dependable but not any more. Just cruise over to the forums on the "Car of the Year" and see what these nice folks are saying about their problems and how they are being treated. The car of the year is heading for a new title as the unpredictable car of the year!!! I could of said something worse but the car and its problems speak for itself. :confuse: :sick:
Being both a current Honda and Mazda owner I do not completely agree with the statement that "Honda automobiles and their customer service are no longer reliable or dependable". That simply has not been my experience.
Look, the Honda Civic is a completely new model with significant changes. I am not surprised that there are problems. Every car has problems if you look hard enough. I will never buy a brand new model year vehicle again (look at the 07 Camry, it has its share of issues). I'll bet you the 07 Civic will have all the kinks worked out and be just as reliable as past Civics...
That said, I think the Mazda 3 is a reliable vehicle. I have driven in both a 2006 i Touting and a 2006 S and neither seem to have A/C issues to the degree that some folks are posting (20+ minutes to get cold air circulating through the vehicle). I also do not expect a Mazda 3 to blow the volume of cold air that my Honda Odyssey does when it is 90+ degrees. I would take weak A/C issues any day over the multitude of issues I had with my VR6 VW Jetta
dc-driver...what makes you "think" the Mazda 3 is a reliable car? Facts or just a gut feeling? Why not drive a 04 and tell us what you think. As for the Camry, they have had tranny problems-hesitation, for many years. Owners have complained about acceleration onto highways from on ramps only to find it did not respond as it should. I know I tested one a few years back, 4cyl, and found the concerns true, so it was a no buy. I felt unsure and unsafe driving the car. I thought by now it would have been corrected. So has Toyota fixed it? I know it is a new tranny but come on. Toyota demands top dollar for a mid range car. I believe the same problem for the Lexus, Highlander. Just spend some time at those and other Japanese forums here and judge for yourself. Go to the Impala forum here and see the posts "a few question" and the replies.
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Reflashing is really just a computer software update - some would call it a patch -
If you replace a computer and reload the same defective software program you will still have the same problem - but change the software and the problem is solved.
The stalling sounds like a classic software problem - it only happens once in a while - and at other times the car runs fine.
It could be the result of two programs telling the engine to do different things at the same time. The patch solves the conflict and eliminates the problem.
I have not looked at the Mazda3 specifically - but it seems like most cars have metal to metal contact between the throttle body and the frame of the car anyway - I never really understood why an additional grounding point would do anything. But some swear it makes a difference.
My son and I did this to his 06 GT about 3 weeks ago...no noticable difference.... as I expected....but no harm either, that we can tell. He wasn't experiencing any issues, just had read it is a positive improvement.
Could you provide more details on the direction of the incline for us so that we know what to look out for? Is it usually the front, back, left, or right of the car that is lower?
A few months ago my engine started as soon as I turned the key - today while starting my engine for the first time I counted - one one thousand - two one thousand bla bla bla and got to five one thousand before the engine finally started. Per Mazda standard as long as your car starts in LESS THAN 10 SECONDS it is within spec.
10 seconds may not sound like a long time for some things - but to start an engine it is a very long time.
This is from a Mazda TSB "some vehicles may experience an engine with hard starting (cranks but takes 10 seconds or longer to start). The condition is more likely after vehicle sits overnight or for an extended time. Rough idle may occur just after the engine is started."
I hope my dealer doesn't think 10 seconds to start a car is normal - I do not - even if it is only on the first start up each day. This is just another example of Mazda setting the bar so low that even the cars with defects still pass the test. Just like the 52 degree AC vent temp standard.
I have not purchased a new car in 14 years. I currently on a 92 Honda Accord and have been quite satisfied with it. However Honda has become quite independent in our city and wants to put potential customers on a waiting list and charges full MSRP! At this point in time I am thinking about a Toyota Camry,Toyota Corolla, and a Mazda3.
However, I have become quite concerned about the Mazda3 after reading this thread. I live in Oklahoma and it gets quite hot in the summertime. Common temperatures in July and August can reach into the 100+ degree Fahrenheit range. So all of the comments about the Mazda3 air-conditioning problems concerns me greatly, as well as the other difficulties that this automobile seems to be having.
Does anyone know if these problems have been resolved for the new 2006 Mazda3?
Thank you for your response.
eagle2a
I did, however, focus on this during a test drive this past week, and this is what i found out:
The Grand Touring's AC has fancier (automatic temperature) controls, but under the hood it is the same unit.
The Touring took a long time to /warm up/ the car, which was of course the first thing i needed to do to test the ac. The AC then came on relatively quick but the fan was weak even at full speed. The car did indeed cool down, and living in NY I probably would find it sufficient. However, it certainly wasn't the arctic blast i can get out of my Ford, and it's very clear that everyone's impression of the mazda AC differs.
I also drove a civic the same night and found it's AC to be only nominally better. Heck, it may even be that some of the MPG guarantees are kept in place by an underpowered AC. I do wish a few other folks would weigh in on this with 2006 M3 specifics.
I am not going to spend my money for a new automobile that has these kinds of difficulties. It's interesting to note that I went to the MazdaUSA web site and tried to send them an e-mail asking them if this air-conditioning problem had been fixed on their newest automobiles. I was not able to send it because of the way the web site was set up. It wanted my VIN number even though there was a place just above this question that ask me whether or not I was a Mazda owner. I said "No" but the web site still wanted a VIN number. I gave up in disgust and came back to Edmonds.com and registered so I could post my question here.
It just seems that Mazda has some problems that it is failing to address. I noticed one poster had previously suggested that he had trepidations when Ford bought into Mazda. When I was looking at the Mazda3 I mentioned to the salesman that I had heard Ford bought Mazda. He very quickly corrected me and said that they had only purchased one-third of the company. Evidently this was enough to screw them up.
In any event it doesn't look like I will be buying a Mazda.
My CD player will spit CD's out over the smallest bumps, it will spit out a CD out when parked if the interior gets hot and now won't eject a CD.
Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem.
My fiance' and I recently purchased an 06 3s sedan. Having read these forums and others, A/C was one of the top things on my list to really check out. I did all the test drives on hot, humid, sunny days (90+ degrees).
After driving two 3i's, both seemed to have adequate A/C. That said, the 3s we ended up buying seems not only completely satisfactory, but slightly better than the 3i's. This slight, yet appreciable difference may be attributable to the dark tint the dealer installed on our car. Actually, I think it cools as well as the A/C in my 02 Chevy Avalanche.
My fiance' uses the 3 as her commute car, driving roughly 80 miles/daily in the hot Florida sun. It does get rather warm and steamy in this neck of the woods, and she's completely satisfied with the A/C in this car.
Today, I needed to move the car. Given that it's not quite broken in yet, I don't just start it and move it. I actually drive it far enough to let the engine fully warm up. So, I started the car...rolled down the front windows and gave it a minute or so to come down to idle speed. Then, I turned the fan speed to 3 also turning on the A/C compressor. Backed the car out of the driveway and headed down our street. Rolled up the windows about 100 feet from our house, immediately feeling the air chill down coming out of the vents. By the end of our street (about half a mile), I turned the fan speed down to 2 and was quite comfortable. Oh, today was about 94 degrees and extremely humid...though not very sunny.
Bottom line is definitely drive the car on a hot day to ensure the one you buy is working well. If you end up buying a car other than the one you test drive, insist on driving the car you plan to actually buy before closing the deal. I know some folks have had problems with their A/C, but just wanted to let those considering a 3 know that not ALL 3's have A/C problems. We're absolutely thrilled with this car :shades:
I just cannot feel comfortable with an automobile manufacturing company who has had these kinds of problems for as long as the posters on this forum indicate. With this kind of approach to manufacturing one has to wonder what other factors are going to rear their ugly head after you have put down your cash money on the table and signed a deal.
I was quite impressed with the 3 that I drove. I think Mazda has done a commendable job of combining drivability, comfort, and economy in a very nice package. But dependability, reliability, and longevity are also extremely important to me. At my stage of life, I am in my late '60s,I have had all the problems I want to face. I am not looking for any new challenges. Certainly not when I'm going to have to lay out this kind of money.
I notice in reading the Honda forum that some officials from the Honda motor Co. seem to be posting in response to some of the Edmunds.com members. You would think by now that someone from Mazda would have read these derogatory posts about their air-conditioning problem and would have responded in this form.
It is quite sad at this point in automobile evolution that companies as large as Mazda and Ford are not paying attention to real live everyday people who are using their products!
Just my point of view.
Again, thank you for responding. Enjoy your new Mazda.
That said, any car company can have some bad cars. I've owned 40+ cars over the years, with about half of those being purchased new. And yes, I've had more than my share of problems with new cars...it's always a risk. So, all one can do is really do their homework before purchasing. And if problems do arise, work reasonably with the dealer/manufacturer to rectify those problems.
For example, I had one new Jeep where the dealer gave me his own demo to replace my problem car. And another Jeep that Chrysler kicked in a $3k voucher so that I could get a new car without anything out of pocket. Both those Jeeps were a major pain, but I did reach resolution in the end by working with the dealer/reps.
And sometimes it comes down to pure numbers. From the research I did, there were vastly more people absolutely thrilled with these cars than there were people complaining about a/c problems. I sincerely mean no dis-respect to anyone on these forums. But, some people also have un-realistic expectations and are therefore virtually impossible to please.
Just some food for thought. All the best to you in your quest for new wheels.
The car I purchased is a base 3s sedan, which comes so well equipped, the only added options I needed were the 5 speed auto and side air bags/curtains.
None of these cars had the auto climate control and the A/C performed fine in our wonderful Florida heat. I don't doubt that there were and possibly still are some cars out there with A/C problems. I'm simply providing a counterpoint that not ALL 3's have inadequate A/C.
Frankly, I'm so pleased with this car...I just think it would be a shame if someone eliminates this fine automobile from their list based solely on 'possible' A/C issues. Like any other new car purchase, one needs to do their research. Then, thoroughly test drive and check out the actual car they will be taking home. As we all know, ANY new car has the potential to be problematic.
I had one particular German car several years ago that spent the last year and a half of its lease sitting in my garage. It was out of warranty and it seemed as though every time I drove it, something else would break. The car was obscenely expensive to work on and was so upside down in the lease, I was unable to sell it. Believe me, I can relate to purchasing a problem car.
Out of curiousity, has anyone deduced if this A/C issue is specific to the hatch? Just wondering if perhaps interior volume could be playing a role.
Some cars with auto climate control have good AC - some cars without auto climate control also have good AC.
BUT some cars with auto climate control have weak AC as do some without auto climate control.
If auto climate control solved the problem why do some cars with it HAVE the defect?
The capacity of an AC system is determined by the compressor, condenser and evaperator not by the way the thing is turned on and off.
These major components are the same in both systems (auto or manual).
If you are lucky and get a Mazda3 with a good AC system thats great - but if you get stuck with a weak AC then Mazda will do nothing to solve the problem.
It does not depend on who your dealer is - because NO dealership has ever fixed a Mazda3 that has the weak AC system. If they have then someone please post what they did to fix the problem.
I love these forums, but if you read too many of these posts you'll end up buying a cart w/donkey to get around - plenty of fresh, aromatic air!
If you want to see how a company does it right, when they have a manufacturing defect, go to this Edmunds.com forum post and get a taste of real customer relations from Toyota.
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0c20c4/74
But hey, I really didn't come here to revive or debate the A/C issue. My sole purpose was to provide a counterpoint for those considering purchasing this awesome little machine. I drove 3 cars, the A/C in all threee performed acceptably.
Frankly, I'm thrilled that Mazda has brought this much car to the market in this price range
I would rather have my tranny go out (VS having a weak AC) - 100% complete tranny failure would be better - at least then I would have a pretty good chance that Mazda would fix the car. It would be hard for anyone - even Mazda to say that a car that will not move because of a failed tranny is operating within spec.
If you don't think the AC is a real problem they try this test - next time its over 90 degrees outside turn your AC off (you can still use the fan) and see how much fun it is to sweat while you drive - for added impact you should keep the windows up - having 3 or 4 other people in the car with you is also a good idea. Let me know how that works out.
Interesting. It appears that Toyota Motor Sales USA is providing a new avenue of support via services like Edmunds. The purpose appears to be a communication exercise to ensure information to current and potential clients is distributed broadly. I believe TMSUSA does not do this across the board but for this special case only. From what I've read here, Mazda is treating complaints the way most manufacturers (including Toyota) have done in the past: report your problem to an authorized dealer and, if not resolved, escalate to corporate headquarters. The fact that some consumers are not satisfied with the results is problematic but not completely surprising; that said, it is important that the manufacturer provide reasonable support for their products.
You take your car into the dealer and tell them the AC is weak. They check it out - tell you its operating within the Mazda spec.
So you call Mazda customer service - they tell you that the dealership is responsible for deciding if a problem exists.
So you go back to the dealership - they tell you that repairs to the AC system are not being approved by Mazda (corporate) - so their is nothing they can do. If I want to complain it should be directed at Mazda customer service.
After going through this - what I consider a run around - I sent Mazda customer service an E-mail and ask the what I should do next - the answer I got (per an E-mail) was GO SEE YOUR STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL!
When I tried to send a response my E-mail came back undelivered - my E-mail address had been blocked by Mazda customer service.
I was not being nasty or even rude with them. I just detailed out everything I had done to solve the problem - detailed out the dates I had made trips to the dealership - the dates I had talked with Mazda customer service and the previous E-mails I had sent.
Mazda's attitude does suck and even now when the dealer tells me that they *may* have some kind of a fix for the A/C issue we all are having, Mazda headoffice including the senior customer service managers/reps are going on record saying that "they never heard of any A/C problem" with the Mazda3 except of the diffuser plate issue.
Mazda's philosphy is NEVER admit any liability if there is something wrong with your car unless they have a fix already in place to correct it.
To some, driving a Mazda is more important than the vehicle's reliability and the company standing by their product; afterall, it's the *fun* factor that outweighs all the problems or liklihood of problems with the car....how juvenile an attitude is that?
We all realize that everything from any company is not perfect. Toyota, Honda, Subaru, Mazda, etc. have all had issues. That does not mean all their products are problematic. In fact, all of these have scored well in Consumer Reports extensive polling of vehicle reliability. The Mazda3 has been rated by CR for several years as a reliable vehicle not a perfect vehicle.
On the other hand, service is an issue if the company does not respond when a problem is identified. We all want companies to do the right thing, if not, they will lose our trust and therefore our business.
And as far as ratings go, the ones done by JD Powers has in ALL of my experiences been completely accurate. FYI, JD Powers ratings are less favorable in rating the Mazda3.
If people want to believe Mazda is a fun and reliable car to drive, and the fun factor takes precedence then that's their right. However, I know better and so do many others. I also know there is no such thing as Santa Clause despite what I have been told.
Nuff said on the subject.
Furthermore, since people only rate one car, the cross-model indicators aren't accurate. Also, you'll find interesting results on many cars. Try comparing the Toyota Corolla ES, Honda Civic 06 LX, Mazda 3 S and Subaru Impreza wagon. You'll be amazed at people's perception of "performance," in particular.
JDP is the textbook example of "Your mileage may vary."
yeah, they make it all up to sell magazines. They really knew the car wasnt any good but mazda must have paid them to write good things about the car.
... and the only people who fill out Consumer Reports polls belong to Mazda dealerships and they vote with hanging chads ... :P
Bill, your freezer isn't surrounded by windows and crusing down the blacktop in bright sunshine and 100+ degree temps. And I'd venture it a safe bet it's better insulated than a car too. Talk about comparing apples to oranges...sheesh.
Butterfly, you might wanna re-check your research. The cars being built these days are far more efficient, reliable and safe than they've ever been. I've been buying new cars for the past 30 years, and I'd stack this Mazda up against any of em.
Ex tdier, again...check your research instead of just blowing off steam man. I know you're not happy with your car. Yep, it happens...it's always a risk when buying a new vehicle. As mentioned in another thread, I've had more than my share of turkeys. One of which was a $50k German sportscar...it happens to the best of em. If you're that unhappy...SELL the car and try again.
This ain't rocket science guys. Why the heck someone would continue to be miserable and complain for YEARS about a car they HATE is simply stunning. These cars are holding their value quite well...JUMP SHIP!
Oh, on a brighter note...just got 31.2 mpg on my 2nd full tank. I'm lovin my new Mazda...and just for you perpetual complainers...Zoom Zoom :shades:
If you would have done your research you would have not bought that $50k German car (all of them :lemon: ) because they are noted for their lack of reliabilty over the years. The Mazda3 :sick: has only been on the market a short time and in the end it's reliablity, or lack of, will catch up to that German, or any German car, you bought.
With a handle like "mryum" it appears you are full of yourself. Maybe you should go with "mrmazda" instead :P
Thanks to Bill, Butterfly and Ex_tdier for your input. I didn't think for one moment you were all whinning.
Was having some computer problems last night and was more than a bit cranky. That's no excuse though, my post was over the top and unnecessary. My sincere apologies to the recipients of my little tirade
I didn't clarify the model specifics on mileage because I was simply being a smartass. However, for your edification...
06 3S 2.3 5 spd Auto
70/30 Hwy/Cty
A/C on most of the time
US Gals
298.8 Miles/9.5 Gals to fill
Absolutely true, that particular model of the German car ended up having horrible reliability. It was a first year model and no long term data was available to research at the time. Only time will tell how the Mazda 3 holds up, but there are already many folks racking up pretty good miles and their cars are strong.
The handle has to do with my business...nothing more.
And with that, as much as I appreciate the edmunds site...it was an invaluable tool as I was researching which car to buy...I think it's time for me to bid you fine folks of the forums farewell. Fact is...there are other forums that contain vastly more useful information on the 3. And I really don't have the time to get overly involved in another site anyway.
Again, my sincere apologies...it's certainly not my place to chastise other posters here...and I do regret having done so in such a condescending manner
Best of luck to you all...
But R-134A is capable of producing the same temperature air as R-12. Go do some research and see for yourself.
The excuse "its the R-134" that is the problem is just plain wrong.
Need proof - go back and READ SOME OF YOUR OWN POSTS - where you claim that the AC in your Mazda3 works good.
How can you say that R-134a is no good - but that the AC in your own car (that uses R-134a) is good?
You can't have it both ways.
Look, the Honda Civic is a completely new model with significant changes. I am not surprised that there are problems. Every car has problems if you look hard enough. I will never buy a brand new model year vehicle again (look at the 07 Camry, it has its share of issues). I'll bet you the 07 Civic will have all the kinks worked out and be just as reliable as past Civics...
That said, I think the Mazda 3 is a reliable vehicle. I have driven in both a 2006 i Touting and a 2006 S and neither seem to have A/C issues to the degree that some folks are posting (20+ minutes to get cold air circulating through the vehicle). I also do not expect a Mazda 3 to blow the volume of cold air that my Honda Odyssey does when it is 90+ degrees. I would take weak A/C issues any day over the multitude of issues I had with my VR6 VW Jetta
As for the Camry, they have had tranny problems-hesitation, for many years. Owners have complained about acceleration onto highways from on ramps only to find it did not respond as it should. I know I tested one a few years back, 4cyl, and found the concerns true, so it was a no buy. I felt unsure and unsafe driving the car. I thought by now it would have been corrected. So has Toyota fixed it? I know it is a new tranny but come on. Toyota demands top dollar for a mid range car. I believe the same problem for the Lexus, Highlander. Just spend some time at those and other Japanese forums here and judge for yourself. Go to the Impala forum here and see the posts "a few question" and the replies.