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Part of the luxury car experience is having an upscale dealership that takes care of their customers and Acura does a good job of this. Much better than BMW, Mercedes, or Audi IMO.
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After several trips to the dealer to try to repair the "chip" in the radio/combo they got me a new radio. Just like the dealer did in 1987 with my then new Acura Legend.
Service has been great and as usual, I find the dealer does take great care of me. Much better than the Lexus dealer did when I had a rx 330. I changed back to Acura due to problems with the transmission in the rx 300 and my Lexus was an early rx 330.
Got static over on Lexus site when I posted that but I did not want to take the chance of a bad transmission as I approached the 48 k/4 yrs. warranty so I got back into an excellent RL.
Good luck and stay safe.
jensad
It's very hard to define a category by things like how nice the leather feels, or whether the buttons click like an Audi's, or clack like a Chevy's. It's far easier to say that luxury badge + $45-70K price tag + 190-ish inches in length = mid-lux car. Every single car listed on the board qualifies.
Lots of things worth doing aren't "easy" to do. The logical conclusion of your statement is: a car built absolutely identically to a car on this board is automatically disqualified, if it's too affordable or comes from the "wrong" carmaker.
Sorry, I'm not buying it, Lexusguy. Or more accurately, if it starts coming in AWD form, quite possibly I AM buying it. The only thing your "incumbency" argument ("every car listed [so far] qualifies") really proves is that the Genesis is indeed the game changer its boosters say it is.
If you accept that price doesn't matter, badge doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter if maybe some of the materials used are of average quality, then you must open the floodgates. The Genesis can't be given special treatment, because frankly its no different than any of the other cars in the upper-mainstream segment. You have to let in the Chrysler 300, the Ford Taurus, the Buck Lucerne, the Nissan Maxima, and the Pontiac G8.
Once you've done that, you've lost the plot of the board. In any case, I think there's a functional limit as to how many cars can be the "focus" of a board like this, if I remember correctly, so this entire argument is probably moot.
Have other folks had the same experience, or did I simply get a bad vehicle. I read so may great things about comfort and smoothness that I thought the vehicle would glide, but I felt a very shaky bumpy ride. Do I need to go test drive a couple others or is this the way it is?
The GS is one of Lexus' sportier offerings. I would suggest test driving an ES350. If a smooth ride is your top priority, you'll probably like that car a lot better.
I really have never known anyone who did not like the ride of the GS. Maybe not as sporty (rough riding) as some but definitely comfortable. I have not driven one with run flat tires, so yes, definitely find one without those abortions and please let us know how you do.
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There's been a huge discussion about the new RX in the luxury lounge board over the past week or so. Personally I think it's rather ugly. I'll be looking at the new Audi Q5 soon. After one turn with an X3, my wife has no interest in another.
The 2010 RX is a tremendous improvement and I think it also looks great and we all know it is bulletproof as far as reliability is concerned. My wife had a 2000 RX and it served us well. I hope they have improved the turning radius. Reliability would be my concern with the Q5.
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Run flat tires must really be bad if what I have read just a few posts back is true. Conversely, is it possible that the GS was NOT tested against an M, A6, E and 5 series (under identical conditions, on the same highways, with the same tunes playing, and so on?)
Lexus may or may not be your cup of tea, so to speak, but my impressions of them are that they put the ooooooo's in smoooooooth. The Germans, by comparison, no matter how hard they try (and that is assuming they actually do try) just can't seem to make their cars, "less firm" feeling.
Were I looking for the MAX luxury, today, Lexus would have to be at the top of the list.
But who am I to talk, I just off loaded a current gen A6 (C6) for the latest gen A4 (B8) with 19 x 35 x 255 MAX perf tires, sport suspension, sport seats, and ADS -- put this dude in dynamic mode and you are in Princess & the Pea Mode.
In the class of cars in this group, I still maintain the Lexus is the, er, creamy-est of the crop (and I'd imagine that is even WITH those dang run flats.)
Here is my only come back: are you sure the shippling "blocks" had been removed from the springs? Had the thing been PDR'd?
That's the thing my wife liked least about her '01 RX. They fixed that issue back in '04 with the RX330, it's turning circle shrank to 37ft. from over 41. I would assume that the latest RX has a similarly reasonable turning circle.
The Q5 seems good enough to take a chance on the reliability issue. I've had no problems to date with my S6, and we have a decent Audi shop in the area. Since it borrows most of its components from the A4, I think it should hold up well, at least over the lease period.
Jaguar XF Premium Luxury
Infiniti M45
Audi A6 3.0T
All are about the same price when you factor in Technology or Prestige Packages. Any thoughts on hard comparisons between the three? I live in San Jose, so the Quattro of the Audi will not necessarily be a deciding factor.
Jaguar XF Premium Luxury
Infiniti M45
Audi A6 3.0T
You have great taste! All are excellent choices. The Infiniti M is likely to be the most reliable, but it is not as refined as the Jag or Audi, and you'll notice the lack of a sixth gear on the highway. The Jag being the newest design has a few tech features that the Audi lacks and offers the trick interior, but I've heard there have been some significant quality/reliability issues.
Audi's new 3.0T is a superb engine. I would suggest getting the 19" Sport Package as well, as I find that the A6 with the standard suspension is a bit on the dull side. Last year I was down to the XF SC and the Audi S6, and I went with the Audi, in part because I already own a Jag, and in part because I prefer the styling and interior of the Audi.
The 2010 RX is a tremendous improvement and I think it also looks great and we all know it is bulletproof as far as reliability is concerned. My wife had a 2000 RX and it served us well. I hope they have improved the turning radius. Reliability would be my concern with the Q5.
Hello Houndi,
How are things? long time no talk.
I've seen the Q5 in person last night, it's very good looking, but to small for my liking, I think ladies will love the styling as well the size, I do to, but want a bigger car.
It has very nice lines, very simple, yet very good looking. The one I saw was a silver1.
I see that you're already concerned about reliability, now I am use to hear about German reliability troubles in the long run.
I been waiting for a while to test the RX.
I see you still haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet. You are very patient. Did you ever look at or drive the Genesis? How about the new coupe? That sounds like a great car for a young man like you. Keep me posted.
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Also, if I was seriously looking, I would drive the Genesis just to see what all the fuss is about. Good luck.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
I bought one of the very first Acura Vigors to reach America back in 1991, and I had it for 16 years. I loved that car! I am disappointed by the styling direction that the new Acuras have taken, and am not really turned on by either TL or RL.
I currently own a 1999 A4 2.8 Quattro and 1998 Jaguar XK8 Convertible. I did take a look at the new A4 but I felt much more comfortable with the A6. I have not gone to look at Genesis yet, but maybe I will take my Hyundai-loving friend over to see it.
Good luck, and as we all know a good part of the fun of a new car is the chase !!
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Sure. How is your XK holding up? I had a '98 XK8 convertible myself several years back, sold it after it starting developing electrical problems for a '00 XKR, which I kept for quite awhile. I currently have an '07 XK convertible.
I'm generally a fan of Infiniti products, and I'm looking forward to testing the next generation M37 and M50, which will likely correct the issues that the current car has. The 7-speed should take care of the high revs at cruising speed, but the car still lacks that last degree of smoothness that you get with the Audi and Jag, and the interior materials and attention to detail on the inside aren't quite there yet.
The XF's interior tricks are neat, but the "vodka bar" lighting is not as sophisticated or soothing as the Audi's classic red glow. The center stack buttons are also a bit flimsy. The Jag's biggest problem though is the engine, it just doesn't make sense to get the 4.2 when the new 5.0 V8 will soon replace it.
I think you'll be bored by the Genesis, it's more of a cut-price Lexus LS than anything close to a sport sedan.
Thats what you get with Lexus, peace of mind.
Reliability would be my concern with the Q5.
Maybe I've read to many negative reviews about European cars, I am so scared to think that what if my new car will break down in its first week
I see you still haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet. You are very patient. Did you ever look at or drive the Genesis? How about the new coupe? That sounds like a great car for a young man like you. Keep me posted
No, I haven't made my decision yet. I am very patient, especially after reading so many different types of reviews.
No, I never looked at the Genesis or the coupe, I've been looking for an suv, I like the idea of a high driving position for quite a while.
But I do not like the idea of a high driving position in a boxy suv, which most of the majority prefer.
Looked at the infiniti fx, but don't like the nissan engine.
Been looking at the new RX, and I am very well aware that its a ladies car.
The truth is, all this time I've only been interested in the X6, which the majority of posters hate.
Thats the only new car I've tested and liked, but the reviews I've read, and personal experience from my friends which proves that its a very bad choice, especially in the reliability department which is my major concern.
1more thing, 50% value of all European cars disappear within 2 years.
Luxury Japanese cars are not much better as far as depreciation is concerned. That is one reason that I usually buy 2 to 3 year old LS's. You basically get a great luxury car with a great factory warranty. All you miss out on is the big hit on depreciation !!
That said, I don't believe you should ever buy a car based solely on what makes economic sense. First you have to really want the car for what it is, then you work on the economics. Also don't buy what someone else thinks you should buy. You will always know what you want.
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The only electrical problem I have had was the passenger seat controls, there was a wire in the seat getting pinched. Hard to find, but they fixed it. Now if only people would stop kicking the seat control module when they get in!
Overall this has been a good car, and well worth the investment in terms of return on driving pleasure and overall interest. Everyone tells me it looks like a new car (helped obviously by its classic good looks and the longevity of the platform).
Hah! I had the same issue, except with the driver's seat controls. I only found out when my wife attempted to drive the car, and couldn't move the seat forward.
The windblown puddle of mercury known as the Infiniti Essence concept car shown at this year's Geneva show tells volumes about where Nissan's luxury division is headed both stylistically and technically. The twin-turbo 3.7-liter direct injection V-6 in the Essence will debut, sans turbos, in the redesigned M sedan due in early 2010, making about 340–350 hp. The complex direct-injection technology, in which fuel is injected directly into the cylinder rather than in the intake ports as is more common, most likely will also make its way into the G37 coupe and sedan as mid-cycle upgrades before the cars are completely redesigned in about three years. Besides making more power, gasoline direct-injection technology is also needed to meet tightening emissions and fuel-economy regulations around the world
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Now, however, comes the new A6 3.0T.
The previous generation A6 3.2, a great car, was, in this league, more than a little bit of an under-achiever with respect to the "urge" it had to get going. I came to realize, however, that even with the 3.2, I was seldom in fear due to the more relaxed acceleration it offered compared to others in this league.
Now, however, comes the new A6 3.0T.
I thought the A6 4.2 was quick and fast (and thirsty) and with its even heavier front end, a bit of a porker on the twisties. It needed the sport package -- which at that time was really stiff, some said, too stiff.
Now, however. . .
What is the need for the V8 when the supercharged V6 feels and SOUNDS this good? Damn, and I was just to the point where my 2.0T A4 with its 258 pound feet of torque from sub-2,000 rpms was making me forget how much I like the sound of the 3.2 V6 at full cry in my A6.
And, that torque (in the 2.0T) comes without any discernable lag and is, at idle, absolutely vibration free (hello, is this thing on).
Now, however. . .
Listen, I don't know if you have some predisposition AGAINST Audi, but, even if you do -- take one of the new A6 3.0T's out for a long test drive (and, boy wouldn't it be nice if it had at least ONE tire/wheel upgrade offered on your tester?)
As usual you will notice the fit and finish, again at the top of the class. You will also notice the most "intuitive" controls of the class. You will notice the solid feel (handling, that is) both at speed and especially through the most challenging secondary roads you can find -- and, most of all, you will notice effortless and immediate torque without anything that could even make you, for a moment, think this was anything less than a V8.
Audi, finally, has brought its "A" game to the LPS crowd.
Oh, BTW, my 29th Audi (or so) lets me "testify," that Audi has "no" reliability issues. These things just keep getting better and better.
This one, if you are looking in this class, ought to be a contender for "lead dog" status.
And, if you want something a little less costly, a $49,650 fully loaded A4 2.0T prestige will almost make you not miss its sibling, A6.
BTW, I also drove the Q5 -- it is also of very high merit.
Drive it like you live. :shades:
Regards:
OldCEM
Hey Mark, good to hear from you. Just as the old 2.7T made the 4.2 V8 irrelevant in the C5 A6 (especially in 265hp S-line guise), the new 3.0T makes the 4.2 equally as pointless. It's a brilliant engine, in my opinion on equal footing with BMW's twin turbo. I also like that Audi no longer punishes you for opting for the V6. For example, you can now get a proper power tilt/telescope steering wheel on the 3.0T.
What seems strange to me though is Audi's handling of the sport option on the A6 refresh. Pretty much every car in the Audi lineup now offers an S-line package, but they killed the A6 S-line for '09. The 19" sport package is only available on the 3.0T, but you wouldn't know it by using the car builder. It's buried under the "packages" menu under features & specs. It's like they are trying to hide it.
The other negative about the '09 A6 is that they either couldn't or didn't want to upgrade to their latest MMI/NAV system, so it's stuck with the old one presumably until the C7 car debuts. If Infiniti could upgrade the M's NAV system and add a hard drive for the M's mild '08 refresh, why couldn't Audi do the same? It just seems odd that the Q5 has the best electronics in the company's lineup.
To repeat, I would rather have the new MMI -- but the differences, besides the hard drive, are, to my way of thinking mostly cosmetic. Given a choice, I'd take the new one, but would not reject the A6 for lack of it.
The Infiniti M did (and does) have a great navi and voice system -- as does Acura and I assume Lexus.
The Germans seem to be fine with staying one to two iterations back.
My old and now my new navi have been fine and the new one has a much improved map, albeit on an old fashioned DVD.
Love the MMI's new graphics tho, but REALLY love the supercharged motivator.
Woo Woo! :shades:
I agree, the A6 is still one of my favorite cars, and now it finally has the motor it deserves. It's just one of those "would be nice" things. The upside is I don't feel like my pre-refresh S6 is dated. The C7 S6 should really be something special.
You should research that statement a little better. BMW has been at or near the top of the charts for resale value in its class for several years. A three year old BMW is still fun to drive. A 3 year old Lexus is just an aging Toyota.
Well, behind BMW and Audi, at least. Even the US spec 2010 E-class wont have DI, because apparently M-B can't figure out how to get it to work on just 93 octane. Mercedes engines are decidedly less cutting edge than their rivals. Not too long ago they were still using 3-valves.
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Enjoy the RL -- sounds like you got an excellent deal.
The Lexus service was C +. Compared to my Lexus dealer down the road, Acura service has treated me very very well, i.e A +.
I intend to drive my RL for at least to 150k as I did my 95 Accord. Oh, I almost forgot, the rx330 BEST milleage on freeway at 70 mph was 22.7 m/gal, while my RL at 75-80 mph after 20k miles, I average 28-30 m/gal.
Also, I do not work for either company.
Good luck to all and stay safe.
jensad
Potential buyers went across the street to try the Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Mercedes, or even Audi, and never came back.
2013 LX 570 2016 LS 460
Potential buyers went across the street to try the Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Mercedes, or even Audi, and never came back. "
That is exactly what I did - was interested in the RL and went for a test drive. Want to bring wife to look at it before make the decision. Before we can get to that stage, I looked at the M45 and changed my mind and never looked back.
The RL by itself is an OK package, but, when there are better options, the customer goes for it - especially in this luxury car market, the $5-10K cost difference is not substantial.
'21 Dark Blue/Black Audi A7 PHEV (mine); '22 White/Beige BMW X3 (hers); '20 Estoril Blue/Oyster BMW M240xi 'Vert (Ours, read: hers in 'vert weather; mine during Nor'easters...)
Like a lot of others, my solution was to buy a slightly used LS 430.
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