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2009 Nissan Skyline GT-R
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So the new GTR has a hand built trans. Good luck when it comes time to repair that baby....
-mike
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You know as well as I do that there are cars costing 4 times that (and more) that can only be had with a so-called "automatic" transmission.
Do those trannies cost more than that in the GTR? Sure. Are they still automatics by some definitions? Yes.
'11 GMC Sierra 1500; '08 Charger R/T Daytona; '67 Coronet R/T; '13 Fiat 500c; '20 S90 T6; '22 MB Sprinter 2500 4x4 diesel; '97 Suzuki R Wagon; '96 Opel Astra; '08 Maser QP; '11 Mini Cooper S
Do those trannies cost more than that in the GTR? Sure. Are they still automatics by some definitions? Yes.
It doesn't make it right though!
That's the beauty of the internet, we can have crazy whacked out opinions!
-mike
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Swift Engineering sold hand-built limited production Formula Atlantic gearboxes for around $20k. Most of the parts required to build it were supplied by Hewland, Quaife, etc. You're right about the possiblity of not being able to go down to Kragen or Autozone to get GT-R transmission parts. How much Infinity will charge for labor I assume would be the same hourly rate they would charge on any other Infinity. Maybe the GT-R will have a lifetime warranty on their transmissions?
I don't know very much about the transmission going into the GT-R, but I think they also might have chose it for it's ability to handle the powerband in an AWD configuration. It's also a 7 speed so it has more options to choose different gear ratios for race circuit applications.
-mike
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http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-nissan-gt-r-live-reveal/454772/
Although the Nissan GT-R will sticker for about $69,000 when it goes on sale in the U.S. later this year, prospective buyers will be hard pressed to find any Nissan dealers to offer the supercar at that price. The combination of the GT-R's limited availability and Nissan's lack of dealer pricing control could see some of the turbocharged coupes going for as high as $129,000 — nearly double the car's MSRP.
Exhaustnote.com called on 15 Nissan dealers through the United States and found that the GT-R will command at least $20,000 over its window sticker. Several dealers even said they were going to handle GT-R sales like an auction, pitting prospective buyers against one another.
One dealership in Carson, California said they would markup the GT-R by about $50,000 — joking the markup would be about the same as a new Nissan 350Z and Sentra.
The highest markup found was $60,000, bringing the GT-R's out-the-door price to a staggering $129,000.
The huge markups are due to extremely limited availability of Nissan's latest supercar — only 1,500 GT-Rs will be available in the U.S. this year. Most dealerships will only get 2 or 3 cars, but most have waiting lists at least 40 people deep.
While Nissan has counseled its dealers on markups — one of the GT-R's greatest assets was supposed to be amazing performance at a value price — the Japanese automaker has no control over how much dealers will actually charge.
and if you can believe what you read in these car mags, many drivers have stated that they feel comfortable and confident pushing the GT-R to its limits, far more so than the 911 or any other exotic sportscar they've driven before...
something to be said for that i think....
-thene :-)
Looks like the long arm of the law came sweeping through here.
Also looks like you've got that all correct, thene. Based on what I've read as well, all you said is accurate. The point has been brought up a number of times, but people are voicing concern over the difference in weight between the Turbo and GT-R. I believe that the GT-R is 300lbs heavier. Thought pattern is that will make the vehicle seem less manageable.
/shrug
-moo
i can only base what i know on what i read, and there seems to be a large majority that indicate that the weight does not affect the handling as much as some people would think...
who knows! im just bored at work and feel that the GT-R is far more interesting than anything going on here :P
-thene
-moo
i may have to save my pennies for a used one in a couple of years...it would be perfect as a sports car in the wonderfully snowy northeast!
if you get a chance to drive it moo - please let us know what you think!
im excited because im going to NYIAS in march and i'll just get to see it in person, which i can't wait for! that and the new maxima, and the cube...
cars are great!
-thene
who knows, maybe in a few years i'll have enough to buy one new ;-)
don't go killing my dreams 240ka! :-P
-thene
-mike
GP
I called tonight and they reported having two left (allocated 5, 3 sold). But wait, during our 30 second phone conversation, they just found out an additional one had sold, so now they only have one left!
Other dealerships appear more patient and are just stacking their wait lists, likely to see just how far they push the mark-up.
I guess car salesmanship has really progressed since our folks were buying cars.
-mike
That's why I actually like GM's marketing strategy for the Corvette better. Its a budget supercar. Its the performance and the name that sells it, not exclusivity. And because of that, they'll build about as many as are ordered. And it hasn't watered down the allure of the Z06.
Nissan has the performance and the name 'GT-R' behind it as well. If a select few are willing to pay 5-figures over sticker for it, even more people would be willing to pay sticker. I honestly think everyone would benefit from it, especially Nissan.
On the other hand, they might not want to throw them all out there the first year. Give us a taste and test the waters before ramping up production. Hard to tell before they have even started selling here.
If there are say 40,000 people that want one in 2009, that's probably the limit to their market. Maybe another 20,000 people will become legitimately ready to purchase this car in the next decade? Not everyone in America is going to have one in their driveway, no matter how good of a performer it is.
So why build 60,000 in year one and basically sell yourself out of the market instead of average 6000 a year for 10 years?
And since our economy is based on growth, they have to 'ramp up' production to look like they are doing 'the same' year after year.
Though I agree, they should have started with more than 1000-1500. The markups will be significant for that reason.
And you already know its not GM that makes it.
On a side note, I was in an R8 over the weekend at Pocono Raceway at our NASA Northeast HPDE and the car is fairly amazing, and I'm not an Audi fan at all.
-mike
ajgarcia
Rotors should be replaced in pairs on all cars.
I'm not sure the rotors will cost $5000 but they might cost $1000 for rotors and pads on the GTR, not uncommon for a near super-car.
-mike
So you are calculating labor into the equation as well, which I kind of suspected. I know we are going off topic a bit here, hopefully the moderators won't mind too much. BMW rotors are thinner (compared to other makers) to save unsprung weight, which is why BMW recommends replacing at every pad change to be on the safe side. However, as long as the rotor hasn't worn beyond halfway to minimum thickness at the first pad change, I don't see why it needs to be changed. This is not just my opinion, but many owners I come across on M5board.com or Yahoo 5-series group.
I just tend to not follow BMW recommendation and change when necessary, which is why I also change engine oil every 7500 miles and trans/diff oil every 30,000 against BMW recommendation.
http://driveitfirst.blogspot.com/2008/08/2009-nissan-gt-r.html
-mike
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-mike
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-mike
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I agree, however they aren't going to be producing a large enough number where these cars would sell for "cheap" ever. At best you might get one for MSRP, and in my book anyone buying a car for $70K+ has plenty of disposable income.
The old addage "gotta pay to play" comes to mind. Same reason why although I have recently looked at a 2005 Maserati Coupe for $36k which I could afford easily, after reviewing the maintenance schedule and costs, I can't afford that portion of it
-mike
Motorsports and Modifications Host
A quad charged GT-R. Twin Rotrex superchargers and stock twin turbos on this Power Enterprise demo GT-R.
The setup includes two Rotrex C30-94 superchargers, 650 cc injectors, an ECU, strengthened wastegate actuators , air intake, intercooler pipes, and an exhaust
Any plans to go to Japan to test the first of the customer-owned SpecV's?
xwayzz
2 Ford "Exploders". 'Nuff said.
1 Dodge pickup. Wish I'd dodged that bullet.
2 Cadillacs. No jokes on this one, those were absolute nightmares . Seats, lights, mirrors, horns. Anything breakable on those cars, broke. :sick:
I've given American vehicles plenty of opportunities. So far they've let me down spectacularly.
Here is mine on the dyno during a custom tuning session. Each transmission fluid change is at least $600 + labor, at a dealer about $1k total not including oil or diff fluids, add another $1k to that and warranty states fluid changes if you track it or heat levels pass 230 degrees every 1800 miles. Not cheap by any means.
http://www.apexkings.com/entry.php/18-Budez-GTR-Dyno-Tuned-at-HB-Speed