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Yeah, all I want is that 166hp I4 monster motor! :P
I guess time will tell. As far as I'm concerned (for now, anyway)the drawbacks would exceed the benefits.
Maybe if I had to pass trucks on two lane highways I would feel differently.
I don't have any trouble doing that in my '02...
More power is always nice, but the GEN II isn't lacking power... something that couldn't be said for the Gen I, especially pre-'99.. I had a '98 5-speed, and that car was slooooowwwww (but, fun to row the gears.. no complaints).
Diesel? Not sure I'd buy one, but I would definitely consider it, if in the market for another CR-V..
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Yeah, all I want is that 166hp I4 monster motor!"
For the record, I think that the I4 is sufficient for the CR-V, and preferrable. Keep in mind that the proposed diesel is also an I4, and that (if Honda wanted) the current I4 could be bumped up to 200 HP.
The Gen 1 was slooooowwwww (I had a '97), Gen II was merely slooww!
No doubt. At least for probably 75% of the typical buyer. But I never felt that manufacturer should just aim for "sufficient". Seems to imply mediocrity. To look at it another way, the I4 is "sufficient" for the Accord, as is the I4 for the RAV4, and for the Camry, and the Sonata....and so on, and so on. But lo and behold, there are V6 options for them all!
15.3 gallons is a pretty small tank if you're getting, say, 22 mpg or so. You have to fill up before you can drive 336.6 miles.
40 mpg for a diesel is optimistic, but let's say it can only manage 32 mpg. That's still a range of 489.6 miles. Plus, that gives you more time to price-shop and offset the 10 cents or so extra you pay around here as well.
You can go a lot farther on the same tank, basically. Fill up a lot less often.
-juice
Of course when you work five miles from home like I do, range isn't a big deal. Using Diesel, range is important because diesel can be hard to find.
The oil companies REALLY rape us on diesel! It should sell for half the price of gasoline and so that's another reason I'm knind anti diesel.
The extra cost per gallon is an issue, but like I said, you can travel 50% farther looking for cheap diesel. Just fill up if you're under half a tank and you go by a cheap diesel station, odds are you'll average more than the range of a gas engine anyway!
-juice
Diesel is available at 95% of the stations in my area... Just the other day, $2.23 for diesel, $2.14 for unleaded regular...
I'd say there is enough power for 95% of people.... If you live in the mountains, and you carry four adults, then maybe you'd need more... but, otherwise? No problems...
Now, if your preferred cruising speed is 90 mph... then you might have a case.. :surprise:
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Guilty, your Honor!
Here in the Seattle area stations are few and far between and diesel is more expensive than gasoline by quite a margin.
Any how, I'm sure the break-even point for the extra amount the diesel would cost is just a couple of years, far sooner than any hybrids. And you enjoy 50% more range.
-juice
I don't know how much more the diesels will cost so it's hard to predict the breakeven point.
And, it's pretty unclear when if ever we will see any.
I have done that many times in my 2003. No problems, though you have to floor the accelerator to get the vehicle to downshift. :shades:
The engine does put out some noise at speed, I agree with you there. But it's a sweet sound to me...
I have gotten 31 in my 2003 @ 65 MPH (high altitudes - I still think the CR-V is better above 4000 feet in elevation). So I don't really think 40 MPG is out of range at the same speeds. Perhaps 36 at 80 MPH. Remember they can gear the diesel into lower RPMs, because of the torque range coming on strong at low RPMs, and the engine being proposed being 2.2 rather than 2.4 liters.
Can you say - 600 mile range? :surprise:
Unfortunately, it wouldn't matter to me, my 7 year old has about a 30 mile range between bathroom breaks... or should I say "bathroom brakes"... :mad:
The doors were unlocked, so I opened it up and sat in it.
First impression:
This vehicle has almost nothing in common with the CRV I own.
The rounded back and side windows remind me of the Taurus/Sable station wagon.There are HUGE blind spots.
Although I know (from this board) the interior is not smaller than the previous model, it "felt" much smaller.
The front bumper does not look as bad in person as it did in
the pictures; however, the rear looks worse. I can't imagine carrying the same items in this vehicle as I do in my own. Couldn't... because the rear window doesn't open.
There were three of us in the lot. Two of us drove there in CRV's. We talked. Both of us like our vehicles. Neither of us or the third guy were in any danger of buying this vehicle.
This is NOT an entry level car. There were no LX's on the lot. Including taxes, the vehicle is closer to 30K than 25K.I know I should have written it down, but I did not. Nonetheless,I think many may take the small $$ step up and buy the Pilot.
It's just not a CRV but some morphed object that is neither a SUV or a station wagon...or a sedan.
Also I do not see this vehicle as a "chick" car
It looks like a smaller version of a Lexus.
I WANTED to like this CRV. It is a different vehicle now. Many will like it....it is a HONDA...but it won't be mine.
" Oh, it's SO much better!"
" Why did Honda take a good thing and screw it up?"
Funny, sales always seem to increase.
I hope this isn't an exception!
Sufficient. What's the matter with you? You must not be an American. No true, blue American is ever satisfied with merely sufficient. We what excess, and plenty of it. Dependence on foreign oil, war, Middle East, who cares? Give me power, more power.
Sheesh! Americans grow more wimpy day by day. . . . . . .-g-
They are even targeting this SUV at women. Don't women like to drive cute cars? ie: the RAV4 maybe?
It is just hideous.
I don't think I will ever like this new redesign.
For a lot of shoppers, the way a car looks is far less important than the whole picture.
I am one of those people.
I saw another truckload today on the north bound 5 frwy in LA area.
So on the way home I stopped at Norm Reeves in West Covina and asked them if they had any and he said they can't show them until the 28th. (I asked to go see them in the back)
He said every dealer will probably have at least two in stock or more.
Take it for what its worth as this was a salesman telling me this.
2WD LX $21,195
4WD LX $22,395
2WD EX $23,445
4WD EX $24,645
2WD EX-L $25,395
4WD EX-L $26,595
4WD EX-L w/NAVI $28,595
All prices include destination charge.
Accord pricing (w/Auto and w/o destination charges) are quite similar;
LX - $20,925 ($200 less)
EX - $23,350 ($95 more)
EX-L - 25,050 ($345 more)
This is just comparing the 2WD models of the CR-V to the Accord. Is it worth it to get a CR-V for the same money as an Accord? We'll see with more test drives.
They cost more new, yet they have a lower resale than similarly equipped gas versions. This comes from my son that has been selling cars for 15+ years.
Routine oil changes are more expensive. Fuel is more expensive.
If properly maintained, a diesel will outlive a gas engine by twice or more. However I have personally not worn out a gas engine that was properly broken in and maintained. Well... Not in the past 35 years.
Diesels have been at their best when heavy work is the norm. Other than Mercedes, diesel cars have simply not shown any real added benefit for the daily driver. This is especially true if the car is traded every few years. Maybe Honda will have a serious break thru.
Kip
'02 4WD EX.. including destination.. $22,740..
$1905 increase over 5 years... well under 2% per year..
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If you live in a hilly area and park perpendicular to a hill it's hard to maneuver the rear door on the RAV.
There will always be detractors no matter how good a product is.
Time will tell, I suppose.
Based on what I've seen thus far, the CR-V has in its favor... a nicer interior, a lower MSRP, a less noisy cabin, and better handling.
But the RAV4 definitely has better overall styling. In an image-oriented market that one factor can make all the difference.
You were trying to be funny, right?
The biggest disappointment for me was the interior, in the color, quality, and texture of the materials. There are a lot of hard plastic surfaces in the interior (in fact I can't remember any soft plastic surfaces now that I think about it -- it was either hard plastic or cloth). The front of the dash is hard, the tops of the door panels are hard, etc... and it looks kind of cheap. In addition, there are a lot of different colors/textures thrown together, and the whole mix looks a bit like what I have seen in low budget cars (which I encounter as airport rentals). The interior is definitely a step below what I am used to in the Accord. I haven't looked at a Civic recently, but perhaps it's more inline with that model.
I'll still take a test drive at some point, but the interior really dings the CR-V in my opinion, and will probably keep me from buying the vehicle -- it would be a huge downgrade from our current cars in terms of look/feel/comfort. It just looks really cheap for what could be a $26-28K vehicle. I am really disappointed in that aspect of the car -- what was Honda thinking !?!?
Every time a new model is introduced....
Too bad. The interior of the RDX is quite attractive, as it should be. And based on the growing inventory on the lot at our local dealer, the out-the-door RDX price might be considerably lower than MSRP.
Two months ago my wife purchased an Accord EX. And I have to say that I am in love with that vehicle. Why? because I wasn't even looking to buy a sedan. My plan was to replace her 2002 Subaru Forester with another SUV. The Toyota RAV4 V6 was at the top of my list. The Forester was #2. I'm a manual man who has never owned an automatic transmission, but I was considering the RAV4 V6 because it is extremely fast.
But before I made my final decision I wanted to test drive all the vehicles. The RAV4 was fast but it still drove like an SUV. The 2007 Forester did not impress me at all. In fact, I must say that my 2002 is a better handling vehicle IMO. So being in a quandary because I had an intense desire to buy a new car I dropped by the Honda dealer to check-out the Accord because I had read so many outstanding reviews about it. Needless to say I loved that vehicle so much I decided to buy it for my wife.
Back to the CRV. I had driven the 2006 model a few times and was not impressed with its handling in comparison to the Subie. And I hated that rear tire sticking out of the back! The new 2007 CRV solves all these problems. It handles like an Accord. I did not feel like I was driving a truck. Taking sharp turns felt almost as nice as the Accord. The acceleration, while not awe inspiring like the RAV4, was pretty good. I think Honda has a huge hit on it's hand. I thinks it's the best CUV on the market.
However have you heard about the new Ford Edge coming out soon. It has a six speed V6. If it is as nice as the preliminary reviews I have read, I'm going to be hard pressed choosing the CRV over it. But, at this point in time the CRV is at the top of my list. Especially since they say a "Bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush.
That 3.5L V-6 will come at a cost, though. In the Lincoln MKZ sedan, that engine gets 18/26 MPG for AWD(19/27 for 2WD), and that is in a much more aerodynamic, likely much lighter vehicle.
I would expect the Edge to have lower EPA numbers than that, perhaps something like 17/25 MPG, maybe a little lower. Compare that with the CR-V's 24/30 MPG, and you see where the vehicles start targeting different audiences. Add to that the CR-V will be in the low $20ks to start, where the Edge already starts out on the expensive end of $25k+.
I stopped by today and they had just received 8 CRV's, 1 Silver, 2 light blue, 2 dark blue, one black, and 2 beige. 2 already had SOLD tags on them, straight off the truck, so these are going to be a big hit, regardless of styling or the materials. The models ranged from the LX to EX-L (no nav). Prices went from 21/22 up to 26,595. I have to say, I sat in it, it was comfortable. What truly bothered me, no power driver seat, that is SO Honda! Why can't they give the driver that at least! I am not sure I like the plastic outlining the car, bumper to tail, the last version had colored bumper for SE models, and that seemed more asthetic to the eye. Just my opinion. Maybe they will look better with Fog lights, which are accessories, as well as the roof rack, splash guards and running boards (per the salesman). going back on Sat. for a test drive once they get them prepped!
One of our guys who attended the Ride and Drive didn't like the changes until he drove it.