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If that's "most wanted", then I say it's condign punishment for anyone so foolish.
The CR-V will still be a willing performer years after the Fords are recycled.
Honda's motor is absolutely fluid right up to redline, a true rarity in the land of SUVs, where ancient pushrod engine designs still seem to hold sway.
Notes the V-6 Ford is about as quick as the advanced 4 in the CR-V.
You left out the early steering wheels that could fall off, which is why I could not test drive one during the Edmunds Live event. I saw that as divine intervention. ;-)
You read enough threads here, though, and you won't likely buy anything. Odyssey owners complain about problems with the trannies, brakes, and sliding doors, but that still doesn't mean the underlying product isn't good.
What I'm saying is that reliability is something, it's just not everything. The Odyssey is still the best van out there. I just wish it came with a longer warranty, because the price is already a bit of a stretch for me.
The CR-V with a 5 speed manual may be as quick as an Escape (depends on which source you quote), but I doubt it would be with an automatic.
I prefer the Tribute's styling over the Escape, but I still don't like the column shifter and the interior layout much. I'm glad they exist as competitors, though, because it's likely others will get more power.
-juice
It's really funny many new words you learn while reading these forums. Teo uses "recalcitrant" so many times it's now an integral part of my vocabulary.
(And then I had to go back and edit my message after I saw it posted with typos).
BTW, does anyone know what "parenthetic" means?
http://www.autoweb.com.au/id_HON/showall_/news.html
Honda has also let slip that they manufacture a CR-V hybrid if the hybrid Civic sells well.
So my wishful thought is that Honda may use the IMA hybrid system in the CR-V as a new AWD. Dunno if it would work any differently, but it sounds cool.
Only lease with Honda Finance for the following reasons
1. $15000 damage waiver
2. no sec dep
3. rates around 3 or 4 percent
4. no disposition fee
Wishful thinking- that the Acura RDX never makes it to production...it's hideous!
I'm going to see my brother over Xmas and he has a new Outback with 6 cylinder engine so we can do our own real life comparison.
Dave
RD-X looks like a Toyota RSC with a louvered moonroof from a Mercedes ML. I agree with diploid, it is hideous. Though I'm sure Acura is really just demonstrating some new ideas, which is fine in a concept.
I agree that a CR-V hybrid makes total sense. Just use the FWD drivetrain, and add IMA on the rear wheels when needed, for a through-the-road AWD system. It wouldn't have to weigh much more than a RT4WD CR-V, becuase you would not need the RBC or the driveshaft.
-juice
Honda is betting on hybrid technology for the next 30 years (rather than alternative fuels). So I do expect to see more hybrid powertrains. I just find it interesting that they've had two concepts using it for AWD purposes. Sounds like they're serious about it. I wonder if the electric motor(s) require a dedicated transmission?
The AWD would really only have to kick in at low speeds and when the fronts slip (to replace RT4WD), so I don't think you would need different gears.
The Insight uses a 1.0l engine + IMA, while I think the Civic will use a 1.3l + IMA. So the CR-V could use a 1.7l or 2.0l engine in that application, making it a real fuel miser, with the IMA kicking in to get you rolling and in slippery conditions.
35mpg, anyone?
A hybrid Escape is on the way, and a Durango is under consideration, so we'll see these sooner or later.
-juice
Ford was also trying to develop a hybrid Explorer. That project has been scrapped. As far as I know, The Escape project is still alive.
The Dualnote was supposed to offer AWD at all speeds. It used two IMA motors to give it extra kick. I can't recall the exact output. It was either 100 hp or 100 lb-ft. Obviously, a CR-V model wouldn't get that same kick. The new Civic hybrid is supposed to get about 36 lb-ft from the IMA (again, I'm working from memory).
I expect that a CR-V hybrid would get about 24-33 mpg and still be as driveable as the first gen.
Chrysler is funny because their vans try to be all things to all people. You can find a stripped $18k minivan next to a luxo $35k AWD T&C Ltd, it's crazy. The 7/100 warranty is a big plus, but I still think they need to re-focus on the basics.
For a hybrid CR-V, I imagine sending even just 50 lb-ft to the rear axle would be OK.
-juice
That makes me think that if Honda does plan to launch a hybrid CRV, it will likely use it in the form of AWD hybrid drivetrain, replacing the current AWD system.
Dual Note uses a 3.5 liter DOHC iVTEC V6 that delivers 300 HP. The two electric motors combine to provide 100 HP (at peak), making the Dual Note a 400 HP car, with over 325 lb.-ft (my guess) available for most of the engine speed. It also uses a highly advanced recharging system, although I'm not sure if it also uses the cylinder shutoff technology (during deceleration) that will be seen in Civic hybrid. AWD is almost like VTM-4 system in that it supplies power to all wheels during acceleration. During aggressive cornering, the ATTS works like it did in Prelude, i.e. transfer power from inner wheel to outer wheel. However, during normal (non-accelerative) cornering, the ATTS does not transfer power from inner wheel, instead uses it for recharging the batteries. The car is also equipped with VSA (stability system). It is an interesting concept, the way it has been designed to work. BTW, the IMA is mounted with the gasoline engine and synchronizes all three power plants in the prototype.
I don't expect any low priced Honda to get this hi-tech stuff yet, but CRV might be the best bet to see something on these lines. Instead of two electric motors, it could use just one, even if that meant the size that Civic hybrid uses. The 2.0 liter I-4 (European/JDM CRV) could be mated to the 13 HP @ 4000 rpm, 36 lb.-ft @ 1000 rpm electric motor, and perform better than the current 2.4/I-4 with fuel economy in excess of 30 mpg, besides supplying the peak torque for most of the 1000-4000 rpm bracket.
I believe that the RD-X is a front engine design. Just look at the cargo opening in the back. Where the (electric) motor is positioned is anybody's guess. The ugly-as-an-Aztek Unibox had it's powerplant in the door!
I don't expect to see a techno wonder CR-V, but the hybrid based AWD looks possible... if not practical. It may help explain why Honda didn't make any changes to RT4WD for this year.
Anyway... I don't expect that we'll even see the hybrid CR-V as anything but a concept car. In order for Honda to start manufacturing it, North Americans will have to start buying lots of hybrid Civics. Even though I'm sure it'll wallup the Prius in terms of sales, I suspect it'll be too expensive to produce and have a low profit margin.
What do you all think about rustproofing? Now remember that I live in a very hilly, frigid town in which salt on the road is used liberally.
How about the offer of extended warranties. The dealer offers both the Honda 7yr/75K mi, and a comparable aftermarket warranty.
Thanks for your input!
Normally I would also say no to the rustproofing, but if where you live they salt the roads liberally and frequently, then maybe you should consider it, although, mind you, Honda does have the corrosion/perforation warranty.
(when you said dealer enticement, it almosts sounded like they were free. Then of course, yeah, I would take them!)
www.autoinvoice.com and ask for
John Page at 1-800-375-less. You will be pleasently surprised. I just got my new Odyssey there (MSRP of course on that one). Only add on fee is $49.50 doc fee.
Does that beige color interior bother anyone else?
INKY
I've had an 88 Civic, 94 Civic, 99 Civic and now an 02 CRV. I've never had any rust proofing done of any kind and have never had any rust problems. My mother still has her 93 Civic and it's just starting to show some rust.
I bought an extended warranty for my 99 Civic because that's when they changed from a 5 year to a 3 year warranty. Since I just traded that in I never found out if I needed it but I didn't bother buying it on my new V.
It's a Honda - what's going to go wrong?
-Rob
The Subie H6 is geared very tall, more for relaxed low rpm cruising than for 0-60 launches. The fuel mileage is almost as good as the H4, but it's not significantly faster off the line (especially since it's auto only). We've been asking SoA for a 5 speed auto, or better yet, manual.
Instead of rust proofing, consider washing the undercarriage after the snow melts away from each storm. Just get that salt off. Most of the steel nowadays is galvanized, so make sure to touch-up paint any nicks or scratches. That's where rust would occur.
-juice
i never got to use my extended warranty on the 99 civic, after i traded her in, i got most of my money back though.
i don;t know about rustproofing, honda puts some sort of coating on the underside of their products.
For those of you in warmer climates, one of the problems in severely cold regions is that it is difficult to wash your car in the winter to get rid of the salt. We often get weeks of severe cold and snow. If you don't have a heated garage and you wash your car, then your doors may freeze shut. Or your locks will freeze.
If the rust didn't make a hole, it works.
-juice
Juice - Navel jelly? Sounds kinky.
I have a pressure washer for the undercarriage, works like a charm. You could just wash that area, and not around the doors, but your neighbors would think you are nuts. ;-)
That's very crafty. I've heard of people using peanut butter to remove bugs, tar, and glue from paint. Stick with Creamy. I prefer Jiff myself.
-juice
I think these are reasonable prices, but I just don't think I will need either.
2002 V's are going for MRSP up here (the only dealer within 160 miles).
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INKY