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I HAVE MY TRIBUTE ABOUT 2 WEEKS NOW AND SO FAR IM VERY PLEASED(A LITTLE OVER 1000 MILES) SO FAR NO SMELL OF GAS,NO RATTLES OR VIBRATIONS,NO STALLING. ITS QUICK AND LITHE.. GAS MILAGE ISNT GREAT.. BUT I HAVE A MERCEDES C240 THAT GETS THE SAME MILAGE BUT ON PREMIUM GAS... GUESS WHICH CAR COSTS LESS TO OPERATE?
Thanks,
Don
I tried to trade the car in at the dealer where I purchased it for another Ford vehicle - he offered me a price that amounted to 40% depreciation on the Escape in less than a year. Doesn't say much for the Ford Escape holding its value - although I believe the real issue was the dealer didn't want the car due to the number of stalling problems.
FYI - A friend of mine just purchased a Mercury model. While going over the lemon law disclosures, he told the salesperson a friend of his had problems with a Ford model. Completely unprompted, the salesperson said "it must be an Escape - there are issues with that car."
Odie
I would say he/she probably is paid by Ford as another of their dirty tactics to try and protect themselves from lawsuits. Has anyone seen the Ford Focus records - more recalls than any other car, ever, anywhere. Name a Ford product and it will have a dangerous condition.
I would imagine Scape2 is really more than one person - Ford probably has minions out there to try and to damage control.
Murphy (the owner of a stalling Escape and soon to be owner of anything but a Ford)
Incidentally, a lurker is one who looks but does not participate. Obviously, someone posting messages here does not qualify as a lurker.
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The BMW X5 has had more recalls, and it costs about 4X what the Focus does. The X5 has had at least 14-15 (10 of them were issued last year), and the Focus has had 12 that I could find.
I'm betting that there have been other's too.
I certainly wish I had read this Town Hall Board before I purchased the Escape - had no idea about the stalling problems until it happened to me for the first time around 4 months after I bought the car.
Audia8Q (Post 1648) - would appreciate if you would provide the list of vehicles with more stalling problems than the Escape - I do not want to make the same mistake twice.
Certainly, if he were on Ford's payroll, he would be much more subtle and less abrasive. By the way, IMHO Scape is the one person most responsible for maintaining a lively disscussion on many of the small SUV boards.
-james
I'm getting 17 to 21 mpg in mixed traffic. 2002 4x4 ES model. It has 13K miles on it. I've heard someone was getting much more than this.
Can you tell me what is yours please.
Thanks!
Firstov: I'm getting about 26-27 mpg around town, and about 27-28 highway.(2001 Escape XLT 4x4 w/ V-6) But I also added a Tornado ($74 after pa sales tax)(which steve or tidester will probally post their link to) but IMO the device works.
Odie
A lot of us have been able to get about 24-25 on the highway (even with the A/C on) without any tricks. 17-21 sounds about right for mixed driving.
What is your motivation?
Everyone here is an enthusiast. There are degrees of enthusiasm. Just realize some may be more enthusiastic than you.
Personally, I've enjoyed the give and take on this board but I do not enjoy seeing the discussion focus exclusively on any particular member. Let's discuss the vehicles and leave it at that.
Thanks.
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If I have a problem with my vehicle and someone who hasn't seen my vehicle insists from a distant location that I do not have a problem with it then those preposterous claims simply don't deserve my time and attention.
tidester
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pl post a url for that device that you got. Did it affect the car horse power?
Does it make sense to put better gas (or better brand) ??
Steve
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But I bought mine at a local Napa that sells them (didn't have to pay the hefty $10 shipping)
Odie
If I have NO problems with my vehicle and someone who hasn't seen my vehicle insists from a distant location that I (and all Escapes) DO have a problem then those preposterous claims also don't deserve my time and attention.
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Granted, there are going to be lemons in EVERY car make/model. I hope those of you in this room that have real problems will get them fixed in a timely manner by Ford.
Yes, I do visit this forum and will continue to peek in once in a while. Just as the Ford bashers do, as the rumor spreaders do, just as the people who spread misinformation do.
mazda serv bulletin #01-014/02R
Hope this helps anyone with this problem.
Our 2001 Escape was in the shop far to frequently -- including 3 times for stalling, and having the power steering pump replaced twice. Our dealer finally shrugged said there was nothing more they could do and gave us forms for contacting our state's Attny General, Vehicle Dispute board and the address for Ford's Legal Dept for a lawyer to write to!
If your dealer can't give you satisfaction -- do what we did ---
And -- I am not a Ford Basher!!! I have always driven a Ford and this is my first bad experience with one of their vehicles. Our Family has owned Ford Products since the 1940's
shift it into reverse sometimes. It also wouldn't
accelerate right and I thought that it could have
been bad gas. I didn't have a lemon but I think
that the 2001 models had a lot of problems with them and they didn't fix them upright. I also traded mine in for a New Ford Explorer and I did
like my Madza Tribute. But they have stalling problems and others etc. with this car. I met 3 other people the same day in the shop with the
stalling problems and I do resent it when someone
tells me I should have no problem with the car.
You would have been welcome to drive my car. I
didn't have a lot of faith in it after the warrenty would have expired. I also didn't find this site until my car stalled... Just my 2 cents worth.....
In 1988, I purchased a car (brand new - not a Ford or Mazda) that had an intermittent problem with stalling and engine idle oscillation. The problem usually occured under cool/damp weather conditions prior to the engine warming up completely. I brought this car back to the dealership several times, and was consistantly told that they could not duplicate the problem, everything checks out okay, they haven't seen this problem before, etc. Each time I would drive home from the dealership, my frustration level would be cranked up yet another notch because I knew there was a problem. Being told that everything checked out okay or that they haven't seen this problem before did not make me feel any better.
I can understand why someone with an Escape/Tribute that has stalled might feel that they are now being "bashed" in this forum. Each time they are told that the stalling problem has been overblown, or that it only affects a small per-centage of vehicles, or that they are anti-Ford, cranks up their frustration level another notch to the point where they now feel as if they are being attacked. It really doesn't matter to those with vehicles that have stalled whether 1% or 100% of the Escape/Tributes out there have the stalling problem. All they care is that their vehicles have stalled and they have come to this forum to hopefully find solutions.
As for visiting other sites, I have done that and found that the Consumer Complaint section of the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration is a good source of information. The 2001 and 2002 Escape/Tribute has amassed quite a record there.
Please note that I am not a "Ford Basher". I've owned one Ford product over the years (1976 Capri II) which was a great car, but that was 20 years ago, so I consider myself "Ford neutral". I am, however, the original owner of a 1990 Mazda MPV, which has close to 128K miles and is still running great, which is another reason we considered the Tribute.
Hope this helps.
I got jumped on by Isuzu loyalists who declared me to be an Isuzu basher! Of course, that's ludicrous.
The point is that brand loyalties can easily cause people to see innocent comments or sincere discussion as something else entirely. Let's try to take the medium into account and be a bit more tolerant of differing expressions of opinion.
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I wish that stalling was the only problem my wife had with her vehicle. Granted, our was one of the early 2001's (Oct 2000) but besides the recalls that affected the vehicle, it was in the shop twice for having the Power Steering Pump replaced along with other sundry problems.
We just had a baby earlier this year, and when the Escape stalls, it does it while moving and causes the loss of power steering and power brakes-- needless to say, they almost got CREAMED from behind when they stalled.
This made the 3rd time, qualifying for LEMON LAW -- we went tonite and picked out a new 2003 EXPLORER (we only have to pay the difference between MSRP's ---- My wife refused to get another Escape due to her past problems!
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Thanks!
A couple of other points. First, I believe I stated twice in my post that I used the internet to research the Tribute and continue to look in at this site. So, I don't understand your comment on visiting websites. Second, you state how Bess has several times posted a TSB for stalling, but Bess contradicts you with post #1690. Seems to me that your statement is very much like the misinformation you complain of in post #1680.
Well tomorrow will be a total of thirty days in the shop. So that qualifies my car as lemon in my state. I am sending my letter to Mazda requesting a refund which is a shame because I really like the Tribute.
I did not miss you point paride. I will say this again. I never said the Escape/Tribute were perfect. Its known from here to eternity that there were some initial recalls. What I am saying is people need to actually read the recalls. Some Ford bashers love to make it look like every single Escape/Trib made in 01 had these recalls, not true if people would actually read the recalls. I have never put anyone down for their problems. Where are you getting this from? What I am saying is there are Ford bashers out in these forums, you can login under multiple names and make it look like the Escape/Trib are very problematic. I have run into 11 people now that own both Tribs and Escapes. 1 person had minor issues, all the others were fine. I am making it a point to actually talk to people I see that own these vehicles and approach them, if they look approachable that is.
My wifes 00 Accord has been back to the dealer 3x! everytime I bring this up in the Accord or pro-Honda group I get slammed.
As I have said, I hope these folks that actually do have problems get them fixed.
It seems that you missed the point again. I give up. Maybe someone else in this forum can explain to you that the reliability of the Escape/Tribute had absolutely nothing to do with my comments. Rather, the interpretation of the same posted comments and perception of their meaning(s) may be different for anyone going through a bad situation vs. someone in a good situation.
The stalling occurs during engine deceleration (when the rpms are diving after letting off of the gas). It does not matter whether you are going up a hill, down a hill, or along a level grade.
If you own an 01 there's a good chance that the PCM (computer software) needs to be replaced and re-programmed. If they just re-programmed, which is impossible with the older PCM's, nothing will be different. The latest TSB's are very clear on this. Also, I've read elsewhere (might have been here) that Mazda has just released a new TSB that mirrors the one Ford released back in June for the Escape. I have absolutely no doubts that the June TSB fixed our Escape so you may want to check into that if you so desire. Of course, all of this hinges upon your service dept. being competent enough to do it right.
scape,
It was me that posted the TSB, not bess. It actually came from a website run by a bunch of Ford techs from around the country (if not the world).
Steve
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