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Mercedes-Benz M-class (ML320, ML350, ML500 and ML55) 2005 and earlier



  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    I did a paper on bi-xenons recently. I did confirm with my dealer that the CL had bi-xenons. My phone call did get tossed here and there. And someone at the dealer did confirm...but still, I'm not entirely confident that they do.

    The other car in the US that should have them is the Porsche 911 turbo. Again, it was a teleconverstaion reference I obtained, and again, still not 100 % if they have bi-xenons either hehe..

    I also read somewhere that the new Passat's bi-xenon option will not reach the US.

    Robert, when you dad had the CL, yer pretty sure you didn't have bi-xenons huh?

  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    The 2001 CL catolog says the CL has xenon hid LOW BEAM and halogens for high beam and fogs.

  • gss5gss5 Posts: 1
    Here's a link that talks about the 2002 ML. Basically it's the same stuff already mentioned here on the forum but there is a pic.>

  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    The door handles will be similar to our current day ML's There is perhaps a bit more chrome on the handle of the ML55 but I can't see it (Drew might expand on this). But not color coordinated door handles.

    The Bi-xenon lamp has basically a single xenon bulb but one that has a "reflector beam defector" (nice term : )) that moves inside the housing and thus gives the bulb a different beam pattern depending on its position. There is still a high beam halogen bulb but the Xenon beam adjusts to give better high beam pattern when high beam is activated. So, the xenon bulb fills two beam patterns; one for high and one for low beam disbursement, thus the term Bi-xenon.

    I know someone can do better justice on the above explanation than I just did...
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    If I'm not wrong, the current ML55s uses a HID reflection system as opposed to a projector system for low beams. Halogens are reserved for high beams.

    In a bi-xenon or bifunction xenon HID REFLECTION system, the xenon bulb is moved between two distinct positions within the reflector. This will yield two different light distributions for low and high beam. For high beam illumination, the xenon bulb will move and the light pattern moves upward and concentrates to form a central maximum region.

    For a PROJECTION system, that's a different story. This system will utilize a shutter to switch between low and high beam functions. The bulb remains in a fixed position but a shutter moves between a defined position for low beam and another for high beam. While in low beam position, the edge of the shutter is positioned on the optical axis. To achieve high beam illumination, the shutter is moved along a radial curve downward - this enables the entire reflector surface to be utilized.

    To my knowledge, if a car is equipped with bi-xenons or bi-function xenons, there will only be one light source on each side of the car for both low and high beam illumination. So I don't think there will be a halogen bulb for high beam.

  • rexconde1rexconde1 Posts: 278
    Our CL did not have Bi-Xenons on it. I called the dealer and asked them about it and they too were confused!!

    I think that it is be cause we had an early production number and the lights were not yet approved for the US market (or so MBUSA says), yet the sticker says it does. But our</> CL definatly did not have Bi-Xenons on it.

  • cavman2xcavman2x Posts: 26
    With summer approaching i am considering buying a cargo carrier for my ml320. I know i have to first get the MB crossbars. Has anyone got the either of the MB cargo carriers? Pricey? Would a Thule fit and if so how do they rate compared to the MB. I also have seen a grey sears X-Cargo. (Looks better than the white)I have never bought a cargo carrier but need one for trips to the beach for chairs and kid things. TIA
  • swelshswelsh Posts: 1
    Hi Drew et al! It's been ages since I read or posted and Wow! so many changes! Hope I'm in the right place. At least I see some familar names.

    I have a 2000 ML320 and I'm due for my A service now. Any particular things I should be aware of or wary of? I had them change the oil to Mobil 1 about halfway to this service without resetting the FSS.

    I have a bad dashboard clock that gains a minute a week. Last year they suggested I live with it because it would require replacing the entire instrument cluster including odometer, etc., which I guess is a pain. They said it might make resale harder because odometer was changed. I know others had the clock problem. Any experiences on getting it fixed?

    Twice recently I've had a problem with the car not starting until I turned the wheel VERY hard. Once it took me 10 minutes of literally hanging on the wheel. Is this a known problem? I've had it on other cars but never to this degree.

    I want to replace my rearview mirror with a compass mirror. Has anyone replaced their mirror (on a 2000) with the Donnelly or Gentex mirrors?

    I need brighter headlights and back-up lights but I don't want to pay a fortune. What recommendations?

    Whew! Sorry for so many questions at one time.

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,915
    A seriously old-looking SUV?

    Link to NY Auto Show article and video clip.

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  • dleungnycdleungnyc Posts: 41
    I saw one 2 months ago parked outside of where I work. Even though the design might be old, it really stands out and grab you and you will have no trouble finding it in a mall parking lot either, I would think.

    I was surprise at the somewhat compact size also, as I thought it would be more akin to the Landcruiser in size.
  • drew_drew_ Posts: 3,382
    Yeah, we had some technical problems when Town Hall went offline for about 20 minutes at around 5:45pm, and a bunch of posts (starting from this morning) are missing from various Town Hall topics. We're aware of the problem and WebX is working on it.

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  • thor3thor3 Posts: 120
    Sorry to hear your story ended the way it did... we have a 1999 Ml430 and it has been great with only minor annoyances with 31K on it now. Extremely reliable and has taken us 3 times to Colorado from Virginia and 5 times to Ft. Lauderdale at speeds ranging from 0-105...never felt an SUV with this much power and stability... we've been in two blizzards can't say enough positive.

    Had the fuel sender replaced twice because I knew there were newer parts... same for changing all the door and rear latches... rattles were the worst of it but now it is very solid and quiet.

    I hope your X5 is reliable...I was reading the X5 forums for a while and there were lots of unhappy campers with some fairly serious problems.. steering linkage and such... I'm sure they've made changes to the newer production so hopefully your good to go.

    The best thing is that the X5 is more car like with a lower center of gravity and should be awesome for dry and wet roads... you might miss the ML in the winter and or for the extra cargo capacity.. but the X5 wins hands down for detail and amenities.

    Stop in and keep us posted on your BMW experience.. if they come out with a stretch version (long wheel base model rumored) we would be interested.

    Take care - Frank
  • dt77dt77 Posts: 232
    wow. i guess there's systems like that which use an additional H7 bulb for low beam illumination. I wonder why they would choose to do that because wouldn't the light output for high beam would far exceed SAE requirements for high beam illumination.

    My ML uses H7 for lows, H1 for high beam and H3 for fogs.

  • rockypaulrockypaul Posts: 104
    DO NOT change clock if odometer is part of project.
    In New york State you can not sell or turn in this vehicle without certifying mileage.
    At auction these vehicles go for one third less than wholesale.
    Obviously you won't care if you are leasing unless you have a large security or other deposit.
    This is a huge issue here in this state but I do not know of other states' laws.

    Good luck.
  • mlevinedcmlevinedc Posts: 45
    What would having a large security deposit on a leased ML have to do with a warranty repair and wholesale value? The MSD is against damage and unusual wear ...or am I missing something? I am not in NY but I'd like to understand the point.

  • melvintmmelvintm Posts: 1
    hi! i am try to get this deal for the 2000 ML320, with pretty much everything, except the bose system, i want to know is the stock system sound good? and what do you think about the price $34900 with starmark certified? how's everyone like their's ML???
  • gpvsgpvs Posts: 214
    What's the mileage on this ML?
  • biker5biker5 Posts: 199
    Robert, If the sticker of your Dad CL show you should have a bixenon you should complaind to the dealer as well as to MB product customer service, telling them that you were not happy with it, why the sticker show bixenon but it wasn't there. It happened to me when I purchased my daugther a HOnda, sticker show 4 wheel disc brake but it didn't the rear is drum, then I complain for false advertisement, they refunded my two mos. pay to make me happy and a key ring too. BTW what year is your Dad CL? Nothing loose to try.
  • mark156mark156 Posts: 1,992
    Rockypaul, I just had my clock changed on my 2000 E430. I was loosing about 3 minutes a month. I like everything to work perfectly on my car. I had the instrument cluster changed yesterday. The dealer can re-program your exact mileage so I don't understand why you say it's a problem. I have more of a problem with a clock not working correctly.

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