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87path2 - you just went through this scenario buying a Seq here in the US that was a Canada vehicle. Did you have to do anything extra to get it registered in the US (emissions standards, glass requirements and so on). If so, did the dealer pay for it or did you and how much. Anything else you can add. I live in NY so I guess should call Dept of Transportation to find out about specifics.
714cut - you're from Canada and just purchased an '02 model and you suggested I go with the '02. Now with this '01 Canada car at almost 4.5k less than an '02, seems like a great deal, don't you think. Also, yes my poor "habs" are reeling but I have hope they will get it together. Originally from Montreal so a diahard fan.
Thanks to all as usual for your responses. Can't wait to finally say I'M AN OWNER...
By the way mine was 11 months old, only 10400 kms (about 6000 miles or so)and I got enough for my truck to actually lower my payment on the new one. Mine was pristine and someone got a great truck.
Basically it was a straight across trade and the '02 came with fog lamps and a sunroof that my 01 didn't have. I think selling to the U.S. is pretty lucrative with the currency exchange.
P.S. Try doing that with a Yukon-good luck!
(sorry heatwave I couldn't resist)
In general, I just also happen to be more fond of data than opinions (unless of course its my own:)
Right now it would appear that the GM Marketing Managers must be feeling they put the right design mix and pricing into their Subs, Tahoes and Yukons as at least here in the NE they are the f/s SUV of choice. It is rare to see a Sequoia although they are an attractive vehicle on the road when you do see them.
Ford would appear to have a serious problem on their hands that would seem to provide a great opportunity for Toyota to pickup former Ford suv owners, but I guess time will only tell.
Now, for a comparison from my viewpoint (and my husband's) of the GMC Yukon versus the Sequoia. Let me start by saying that we are very big Toyota fans. I drove an '82 Corolla and a '78 Celica in highschool and college and we've had three Camrys since 1992.
We test-drove a Yukon SLT with leather and a SR5 Sequoia with cloth seating. I liked both vehicles pretty equally. I did feel that the Sequoia did not seem quite as big to drive which was a plus. Also, I really liked how the Seq. third row seats rolled forward and gave more cargo room in the back. I also liked the Yukon...was surprised at the lack of legroom in the back but it was okay for me at 5'5" and my kids are 4 and 7 so it is fine for them and their friends. If I had to decide between the two vehicles, it would really come down to which one could we get the best lease deal on. I do think the Yukon felt bigger inside...it is definitely wider. My hubby liked the Yukon better but he thinks this may be mainly because of the leather seating in the Yukon being more luxurious. We didn't have the chance to drive a Sequoia with leather. Well, I guess we could have drove a Limited but we're not considering the Limited. It just seems like Toyota salespeople are not willing to deal, especially on a popular model. I emailed several in my area for price quotes and not one wrote me back. At least 3 of 5 GMC dealers did email me back. I do find it irritating that you have to add so many packages and options on to the Sequoia to get running boards, keyless entry, side and head airbags.....keyless entry is an option on a $35,00 vehicle?!! Also, I thought the dashboard and center console were not as nice as the Yukon's. Anyway, that is my 2 cents. We still have 3 months to decide......maybe dealers will be even more willing to deal on these models in Feb...
of course, I am still smarting from your innocent post regarding the comparison of the MDX to the Seq which led to the unceasing posts on TOWING. It's all your fault
heatwave3: on f/s suv sales. In 2000, Toyota announced that they would only be making 60,000 Sequoia for North America. Seems like they sold every one of them, from the numbers. How many f/s suv's did GM and Ford produce in the same period versus how many were actually sold ? Let us not forget the 0% rates on these vehicles, which Toyota did not offer on the Sequoia.
and finally, imo, one notable difference between the Sequoia owners and GM owners is that we Sequoia owners DO NOT bother to correct erroneous posts on the GM board, posted by GM owners, about their GM vehicles, whereas you and a few other GM owners make it a crusade to correct our "sometimes inflated views" on our vehicle, posted on this forum. I am still at a loss why you and other GM owners bother to post here, really. Although, truthfully, some of your posts have been brilliant and quite helpful. Methinks that if you can resist the temptation to respond to every "contradictory view" to yours, we would be les inclined to antagonise you, cos too many posts on a single topic tends to dilute your message and makes it sound shrill. Please see this as a suggestion, not a condemnation...
Wishing you and everyone Happy Thanksgiving !
The strong opinions and facts shared in this forum make for a better than average debate about the merits of different vehicles. The passion here makes the dialogue that much more interesting:)
FYI, the GM 0% rates didn't go into effect until well into October which has had little impact on the sales numbers I shared earlier on GM's growth (although it should continue the growth trend while going into a strong economic headwind).
Toyota was probably wise in setting the Sequoia limit to 60,000 units in order to better sense an entirely new market. Next year will certainly provide a solid view of whether the sales strength for this new model continues to build momentum. In the interim, the GM models appear to have hit their mark while the Ford models will have to await the new Expedition to find a new recipe for growth.
"Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important."
- George Eliot
There were a few times where I know I was going too fast on some turns. Not fast enough to loose control but as fast as I wanted to go. At this time the vehicle took over, bells went off, engine would not accelerate, and brake applied gently. Interesting. The weather on the way home was terrible, 60MPH winds and driving rain. The Seq had no trouble staying on the road and keeping things under control.
In that cold coast weather it was nice to have those seat warmers, they work great. My biggest problem was getting the defroster to work right. I can get the front to work good but the back does not seem to work as good as I think it should.
All things considered I am very happy with the vehicle on this trip. This was the first long trip with the trailer.
Since it was just broken in I got to play a little more agressively. Love the engine-shifts at redline and is quiet at high RPMs just like my X5. I got to try out the traction control in 2WD mode by punching the gas in the corner. I even managed to bring the tail out a little bit in a wet corner. No complaints of the traction control. I've read some people with '01 Seqs having a too aggressive traction control when accelerating resulting with what seems like a 2 sec. delay and a feeling that the engine suddenly lost power. I tried duplicating it and could not. Maybe the '02 had been reprogrammed?
Nitpicks: The front dome light should go on when the doors open. The seats should have a memory system. I don't like power antennas. They should move the middle seat forward an inch to give the third row more legroom(you already get way too much in the middle)-I haul people more than cargo. The stereo seems to get more bass when you turn on the engine. The third seat area should have speakers for the stereo. All in all I love it.
Your point on Expedition sales is interesting. I believe that the Sequoia was designed to target the Expedition more than the Yukon and Burban and it looks like that's the vehicle that's suffering the most since Sequoia entered the large SUV market. My guess is that if Ford is smart (questionable) there will be a lot of Sequoia like improvements to the new Expy.
If it's a Canadian vehicle, don't worry about it. I'm going through that now and will be a proud owner on Thurs of a 01 Black Limited with 5k miles for 36k. Try getting that price anywhere else, you won't. Here's what I did to get my piece of mind on purchasing a Canadian vehicle.
1. Get the VIN number and call US Toyota, then Canada Toyota. They will confirm the vehicle has not been stolen and/or scrapped. Also they will confirm that the warranty period is valid. They can also let you know what dealer in Canada owned the vehicle.
2. With this information, I called the dealer in Quebec and confirmed that it was a demo, got the maintenance records and also the mileage.
3. As for emissions standards and safety requirements, no sweat. The US dealer could not of brought the car to the US without having these requirements met. Just ck under the hood, it should say "50 State Emissions" or "Meets CA Standards". Also, Toyota Canada can send you a letter confirming it meets all requirements. Besides, the dealer will have paper work from customs. Also the dealer will register the car for you and make sure the title is a US title. They also get the mileage set to miles as opposed to kilometers.
4. You can also call your state DMV office to confirm #3.
5. Take it for a long test drive and go through every single option of the vehicle. Note on the door jam when the car was built and where. You'll notice it will say Indiana just like the US Sequoias. The one I'm buying is "identical" to a US version and I mean "identical". Even the manual. The top gauge is in mph with the secondary in km.
6. Absolutely no reason why you should not go for the Canadian Seq. Warranty is good at any US dealer and there really is no other difference, except for price. This US dealers go overthere and get these demo's at auction and with the exchange rate, they can offer incredible deals when they get the vehicle back to the US so GO FOR IT.
I live in Albany, NY and there's a local Toyota dealer here who was selling an 01 Seq Lmt with 400 miles for 40k, another 01 Seq Lmt with 5k miles for 40k (yeah, right). Another dealer offered me an 02 Seq Lmt for $500 over invoice which came out to $41,200. After taxes, it was still 5.5k more than the Canadian 01 which as I stated sold for 36k. I figured once you buy the 02 and drive it off the lot, it will of depreciated by about 2k right from the get go.
Hope this helps and if you need more specifics or want the contact info for the dealers above selling the other 01's or 02's, feel free to contact me on Ricky_san@yahoo.com. Hey, I just went through this entire scenario and hope this information helps some of you.
ps, good to get this forum back on track. I'm sure you all noticed there were 3 days of silence due to all of us being sick and tired of irrelevant posts by our good GM friend. Yeah, some of it is relevant but boy, does it ever drag the discussions along and turns people away...
P.S. Were you also looking at a Yukon? What made you decide to go with Toyota?
1. What do you think of the resale value? Personally, I don't think that the buyer might care if he/she cannot tell any difference between a US Vs Canadian vehicle, as long as the Seq looks and runs good by the time you sell it.
2. Why do the US dealers buy the Canadian Demos? Do they have to call them demo because they are not US Seq?
I'm sorry if these questions were answered. I didn't read the forum for a while because I was so upset that the forum was dominated by the Wave Hijacker.
My buying experience gave me a Toyota feeling, but it was all negative. I did stick with it, and now have an SR5 w/leather and moonroof. After a week I like the car, but it's not perfect. It's hard for the person in the third seat to tumble the second seat forward to get out. An upper, more easily reachable handle could have easily changed that. With three kids, our third row seat is used daily and was one of the reasons for wanting the car. I also had to compromise on a black instead of white exterior.
Back to finding the car. At my local Toyota dealer, which has a reputation for "old school" selling style, the sales rep told me to get leather I had to buy a Limited. I suggested that they could order me one if they didn't stock them. He replied in a very sarcastic tone, "what do you think, you just CALL Toyota and order a car?" Well, since it's in the brochure, sure. They also have a $10,000 "buyers premium" tacked onto the bottom line MSRP. Never mind.
I put out an Internet search and found a dealership not too far away. Told him exactly what I wanted, we agreed on a reasonable price (I knew and agreed to his profit margin). They found one in the "build stage," due to arrive at another dealership in two weeks. The dealers agreed on a trade and I sent a deposit. I sold my minivan with the delivery date in mind. Then that car was "inadvertantly" sold at the trading dealer(not my dealer)after arrival. My dealer found two more trades to make, but they were "inadvertenly" sold, too. Talked several times to Toyota Custmer Service at all kinds of levels. They were polite when reached, but not responsive (eg. saying they'll look into it and will call back within 2 hours. Still no call back in 24 hours.) Basically, they said "We sell to dealers and we don't care what they do." The District Director's only suggestion was for me to order a car, which if all goes well, should arrive in 90 days. (But, of couse, I sold my current car 4 weeks ago based on their other delivery date.)
In the end, the dealer made a trade for a black one which went through and, being deperate to call pool again, I took. I have never heard back from the District Customer Service Director. He seems to have no authority, just a title, so he may be he is as frustrated as I am.
Hope others have a better experience.
PS For all the Marketing people, remember the 3 to 11 rule? The one that says that if someone has a good experience statically they will tell 3 people, and with a bad experience, they statically tell 11 people? Well, I feel a little better.
luvsuv: resale value will not suffer at all for the reason you state. This vehicle is identical to the US. As a matter of fact, it comes off the exact assembly line as the US vehicle but can have different specs for Canada (nothing major though). Reason for US dealers buying Canadian demos is they usually get the best deals on these and the only reason they call them demo's is because that's exactly what they were at the Canadian dealer. My advice is get the VIN, call Toyota Canada, get the Canadian delear's number and call them directly for specifics.
The other thing to remember is that you MIGHT have an issue if you ever sell it. The Canadian vehicles are built with kilometer based odometers and they must be changed at the border. The selling dealer will always tell you that the true mileage is known. I'm not sure I agree with this policy, but that is what is done. When you sell it, you will have to do a "gut check" before you certify the miles to be exactly correct. It is a felony to falsify an odometer statement so you better be certain you can legally state the miles are correct.
The final thing to consider is that the cars are titled when they cross the border. They are technically used cars. No big deal really since most banks consider current model year vehicles to be "new" even if they are titles. In no circumstance will Toyota Motor Credit finance these though. Toyota tries to discourage these gray market sales and forbids TMCC from financing them.
Yes, they can be a good deal. Just be aware of the above facts.
I'd like to have the 4WD but the cost just pushes it up too much for my budget. If I go to 4WD I'd have to go with a Tacoma. It looks like with the Sequoia 2WD I'll be able to move up to more space.
One other thing you may want to look at is a 4WD 4Runner. Price should be pretty much the same as a 2WD Sequoia but you obviously would not have the size nor power. It would keep you in an SUV rather than a pick-up though. The 4Runner has the same 4WD system as the Sequoia.
minuteman26: Unfortunately the other half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people that believe any fact or opinion that doesn't support their view of the world must be bogus and twisted.
-heatwave3
"Half of the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important."
- George Eliot
Picture this – a fine restaurant, one of those where you go in town to get a really great steak with cost not really the object. The patrons are at their tables, either looking at the menus or enjoying their New York Strips, or Filets, or whatever. Here comes a guy who walks from one table to the other, looking at the people eating, and says, “You really don’t know what you’re doing. You can easily get more calories per dollar with hamburger”. Eyebrows start to rise. A few of the diners start talking back, politely at first. After all, this is a nice restaurant. Guy puts his hand on one of the tables, leans over, and says, “You really need a lot of steak sauce on that”. Nervous sarcasm erupts. Maitre’d looks on, makes a comment about trolling, does nothing. After all, the guy has done nothing really wrong, just weird. After a little bit, people all stop eating and start staring. Guy goes around the corner. Relieved, the people start eating again. Conversation resumes. And then – he’s baaaack! [gentle reader can furnish his or her own ending].
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If it's two tone it is not a Limited. Could be someone messing around with badging i.e. really an sr5 with limited on the sides? Scary thought.
Sorry heatwave, couldn't resist elaborating further.
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Several restaraunt patrons enjoyed a NY Strip or Filet dinner, finished their delightful dinner, have paid the bill and are enjoying a leisurerly walk home on the public streets. While enjoying their walk, they loudly tell each other and everyone walking by how they just had the most incredible dinner.
It included a 6oz steak that was the best they ever had and it only cost $100. They congratulated each other for selecting the restaraunt because there couldn't possibly be a better restaraunt in town. How could there be a better restaraunt in town because they're so sophisticated that they would have only spent their hard-earned money on the best tasting, most valued dinner in town.
Another patron from a different restaraunt is also walking on the same public street having just completed his own wonderful dinner and after hearing the first patrons boast, responded that he also just completed a wonderful dinner at a different restaraunt in town.
He had a 12oz midwestern beef Porterhouse, that was the best he ever had. The dinner was $50, included dessert and the first drink on the house. In fact, the restaraunt had been offering the best steak in town for many years and that's why 10x as many folks went to the second restaraunt as the first.
The first patrons continued on their way screaming at the top of their lungs that the dinner at the second restaraunt couldn't possibly taste better or cost less and that the second patron must be a liar and a cheat for sharing his view of the wonderful dinner that cost less because it was eaten at a different restaraunt:)
Go figure!
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