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I mean, c'mon, they make 155hp from their N/A 2.0l now.
-juice
Did anyone have the HP&Torque graphs of the Phase I and Phase II engines?
Ken
The AVCS 2.5L is probably a fantastic engine for the Forester. It would be a waste in an Impreza, or even a Legacy GT though. It would be much better to tune for high RPM power (still keeping the broad torque band, of course).
-Colin
hey what do u guys think about the ner SE-R spec V? How does it compare to our little RS?
If it isn't AWD or RWD, I won't drive. ;-)
'Nuff said.
-Colin
I haven't really researched it but my guess would be that variable valve timing works best on twin cams because that way they can choose whether to do the intake or exhaust valves or both. I can think of a trick or two to make it work with one cam but it doesn't look very pretty in my mind's eye.
Cheers,
-wdb
There you go Colin. Just gotta dump our 626 and we'll be all set. Where's the Legacy turbo to replace it?
-juice
bah colin, on dry roads, AWD cars's performance edge is not alot over 2WD when both cars are equipped with good rubber. It all comes down to chassis tuning.
Anyways I too am pampered with the Beauty of All Wheel Drive....
However FWD most certainly has some disadvantages-- poor weight distribution, poor traction (one set of wheels turning and putting power down).
-Colin
I drove my wife's 626 to work yesterday, because the trailer is still locked on to the Forester and she wanted the Miata, and boy, you can keep FWD. The thing plows so bad you have to enter turns so slowly and don't feel comfortable applying full power coming out.
-juice
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My point is FWD is just plain happier at a slower pace. If you push it in a sharp turn, it feels like you're going to understeer right off the road. The 626's power just exacerbates (good word, eh, Mike?) this tendency.
It's this uphill left-right turn I have on my way home each day. Rock walls on both sides, so no guts no glory. Slow too much and you lose major speed, and you're merging with traffic going 65 or so. You enter shifting from 5th to 3rd, then 2nd for the hairpin, then 3rd pulling up and out.
In the same turns the Miata wants to pull out of the turn with the throttle like a rubber band.
The Forester can just about slide right through with no fear of losing it. I almost feel like it's the opposite of the 626 - it bites down harder when accelerating.
-juice
please don't tkae offence about me poking on your 626' performance oriented characteristic or lack thereof. I'm sure it has ample leg room and a quite ride compared to our lil Subes except the Legacy and Outback.
The 626 is not softly sprung. You'd be surprised. It's the exact same drive train as was in the MX-6 LS.
It is nose-heavy, though, and there is a decent amount of torque steer.
-juice
Hmm... my mom's '96 mx-6 is a v6 too. Quite powerful. But it's an old car now. Doesn't the Ford Probe GT use that engine as well?
-juice
Bob
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/e/2001/0115/e30nsh_yk0115_01.html
http://auto.ascii24.com/auto24/e/2001/0115/e36nsh_yk0115_04.html
Bob
http://www.vtec.net/news/items/681.html
Also, they'll still have part time only AWD, and if it gets bigger I doubt it'll handle any better.
Still, it or the Escape is going to lead in terms of sales volume.
-juice
-mike
If the CRV is going larger, I can't help but believe those Outback-based Forester rumors. Look what happened when Honda enlarged their mini-van to match the Detroit mini-vans, it became a huge hit.
Bob
Plus it would steal sales from the Honda MDX, when that is ready (2003 IIRC).
-juice
-mike
-juice
If the CRV gets larger, as predicted, I doubt if it will be much bigger. It already sits on a 103" wheelbase. Perhaps it might go to 104," maybe even 105." I can't see it going any more than that. Not unless the Honda MDX variant is larger than the Acura MDX, that is. Note that the Highlander is larger than the RX300, which it's based off.
Bob
I think the CR-V could use a slightly bigger cargo area (longer), a hatch that opens curb side, and a better seating position for the driver, besides the bigger engine it's supposed to get.
I'd want improved handling as well, but it's selling well and most people won't care.
-juice
PS Bob - you hear someone hit Sandy? Hop over to Repairs to hear more about it. It was on my way home from your place.
Bob
I also liked new Savannah green. On the picture, it looks less attractive than previously used Acadia Green, but in person it's a very nice deep metallic green, a slightly different hue from Acadia but also very nice.
I also liked new Greystone cladding on S models. It's less golden than Titanium but not completely grey either. It's hard to describe but it has that sophisticate rich color to it...
I was right about Winestone for Outback 2002. It's gone :-(. But new Regatta Red is pretty nice too: a deep dark red. Well, I'm partial to red color overall.
I think, Outbacks with H4 and H6 will have differently colored cladding for 2002. One will get Greystone and another Titanium...
Black Foresters will be available only in S+ trim, for some reasons.
Your prediction of two different color cladding for the Outbacks is interesting. However, the difference between the two colors is so subtle, I wonder if it's worth the effort.
Bob
Acadia is the best color ever, and now it's collectible! :-)
-juice
Stephen
On a different topic: Today at lunch I saw an "American Outback" in the Wawa parking lot. It looked like your usual Outback Limited, but had "American Outback" badges on the front quarters (in the same positions as the LLBean badges, but no H6) and two-toned leather seating with the same "American Outback" logos sewn into the front headrests. Color was Winestone with the typical lower cladding; interior was beige leather with brown leather inserts.
Never having seen one of these advertised I can only assume it is a regional special. It did have NJ tags and we are within shouting distance of SoA HQ. Does anyone know the story behind this model?
Ed
-mike
At the Covered Bridge Tour we say a regular Outback (2.5l) with LL Bean badges and GT wheels, remember paisan?
Check out the blue surrounding the WRX badge, which looks particularly good with the silver. Nifty.
-juice
-mike
Toyota wins the ugliest name contest with its Kluger V.
-juice
Ed
-mike
The Quantum sedan was called the Santana, the station wagon just Quantum.
Their small car is called the "Gol", as in a soccer goal. But that's the hatch; the coupe is the Voyage and the wagon is the Parati. Funny thing is here the coupe and wagon were called the Fox, remember?
So they don't have the Lupo. The Polo is basically a rebadged Seat Ibiza, from Spain.
Confused? Me too. Now I see why Mercedes uses letter and numbers!
I took off the "AWD" badges from the windows, but the rest are OK.
-juice
Ed
-mike
-juice
Ken
-mike
If we're only getting 8 of the changes we asked for, that wouldn't make *my* list.
-juice
-mike