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Honda Civic Si Sedan

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  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    You sure about that?? Remember, the '08s are out now, and if any '07s are still laying around, the dealers are trying to GIVE them away.
  • 84vert84vert Member Posts: 1
    $19600 OTD is a excellent price !! whats the before ttl price , and where do you live?
    Thanks
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    That's where I bought mine. They had two white ones back in March, as did the dealer in Jasper and Tuscaloosa. They still had the one I didn't buy in mid-May.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    Are 2008 Si sedans on dealer lots yet? Besides TPMS, what are the differences between 2007 and 2008 Si Sedans?
  • patpat Member Posts: 10,421
    Here's the link: blitzebill, "Volkswagen R32 current and upcoming" #14, 10 Nov 2007 5:41 am.
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    The shift boot is the same crappy black vinyl, but with red stitching. I've heard that they made some changes to the HVAC control unit and some other stuff under the hood, but nothing substantive.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    Thanks cz.

    So the 2008 Si sedans are on the lots?
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    I believe they are, but I haven't been to a dealer since May and won't be except for warranty work on the front strut popping noise whenever they nail it down or before I get 36,000.
  • nowakj66nowakj66 Member Posts: 709
    Any tips on infant proofing the back seat of a Civic Si? I have 2 kids in car seats so there are spills and the occasional ill moment in the back seat.

    Whatever car I get, I will get sturdy rubber mats in back from weathertech or the like.

    The other cars I am considering have leather seats which are easier to clean. Short of an aftermarket leather job, is there a good way to cover the rear seats or should I just steer clear till the kids are a bit older?
  • chigirlintexaschigirlintexas Member Posts: 73
    A couple of weeks ago, we were at David McDavid Honda in Frisco, TX (Dallas area), and they let us drive whatever we wanted, including the one 08 Si Sedan they had, which we ended up leasing. No nav, but hubby has Nuvi 660 and loves it, so he didn't want Nav anyway. Love the six-speed manual--it's a "gas" to drive (sorry, I couldn't resist!) It's a great car. They didn't have any other Civic Sedans w/manual....and only this one Si. Guess we were just in the right place at the right time!
  • tiff_ctiff_c Member Posts: 531
    My wife fell in love with driving this car and she just loves it. We were car shopping for me but nothing really appealed to me on an emotional level. But she is super happy with the car. I just hope she likes to shift a lot thankfully the shifter is awesome!
    I was very impressed. i thought it would be weak in the low end but it's got plenty of power and thankfully my wife will rarely find it up at 6000+ rpms
    Great sounding engine as well. I hated the color but it's a kind of beige metallic (gold?) The color is growing on me but it's a lot nicer than a black car for the summer and cleaning black is a pain.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    The Si sedan is a hoot to drive! And you're right, it does have adequate around-town power; which is surprising considering how low its torque output is. I don't own one, however, I'm speaking from a single test drive experience.
  • beanctrbeanctr Member Posts: 99
    Tiff_c, How's the ride of the car -firm, harsh, or just right? Also, do you feel the car is overly noisey on the highway? I use to own a Acura GSR which was a blast to drive; however, the ride was very firm and the noise on the highway got tiring at times. The Civic Si looks like a great car.
  • joem5joem5 Member Posts: 201
    Well, if they do it someone is crazy,or has a death wish. My Type S would be all over the place. :sick:
  • spikeparkspikepark Member Posts: 9
    I own a 2006 Honda Civic and my brother just purchased a 2008 Nissan Sentra Se-R with an automatic transmission.
    The pick-up of the 177 hp Se-R is great, especially compared to my 140 hp Civic. My brother loves my Civic, but said that it does not have enough power, so he test drove the Se-R and loved it. Now he owns it. :mad:
    Neither my brother nor myself drive a stick shift nor do we want to learn how. But the Se-R does have to option of Paddle Shifters for a manual-like drive.
    I know that the Se-R and regular Civic should not be compared, but why does Honda not make a Automatic version of the Si to compete with the Automatic Se-R?
    In comparison the manual Spec-V Se-R has 200 hp, so why does Honda not make a similar less powered automatic option of the 197 hp Si.
    My Civic lease will be up in 2009 and I do love the look- both exterior and especially interior of the Civic compared to the Se-R, but it will be hard to pass up on the extra power. I would love an automatic 175 hp Honda Civic Si and even convince my brother to trade in his Se-R, as we all know the Si blows away the Se-R.

    Honda please consider an automatic version of the Civic Si to compete with the Sentra Se-R and maybe even the Mazda 3- which I test drove with my brother and had much more power than my Civic as well. Give us non-race inspired drivers some extra power in an automatic version!

    Thanks,

    Michael

    P.S.- the seats, rims and spoiler on the Si are awesome and not something that can be bought for the regular Civic, but maybe some automatic only drivers want that race inspired feel.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    ...why does Honda not make a Automatic version of the Si...

    Because it's not made for

    ...non-race inspired drivers...

    You can't have your cake and eat it, too!

    ...the seats, rims and spoiler on the Si are awesome and not something that can be bought for the regular Civic...

    Why not? :confuse: Honda dealers have an accessory department.
  • will26will26 Member Posts: 62
    I agree. I would have also bought the Si if it came in an automatic. I've heard the same complaint from 2 other people as well.

    I went with the EX in the end but changed it up a little by getting rid of the chrome grille and putting a spoiler on. I also put fog lights on. Makes it look a little sportier.
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    I don't know about that. The Civic SI si a special vehicle pretty much designed for amateur motorsports, like the Integra Type-R, every Civic SI before it, and cars like the SRT-4 and Subaru WRX STI. It has a limited slip differential like the manual transmission version of the Sentra SE-R and other high performance FWD cars.

    If all the posers need is a wing, a body kit, and seats, I think that could all be effectively taken care of at the dealer and not necessitate a new model, especially given the number of sales gained, the premium fuel requirements, higher purchase cost, etc.

    I don't know, I kind of feel that if someone wants a specialized piece of equipment, they should know how to properly operate it.
  • kork13kork13 Member Posts: 90
    "if someone wants a specialized piece of equipment, they should know how to properly operate it."

    very well-said, i agree completely. No more needs to be said (though much more could be said...)
  • spikeparkspikepark Member Posts: 9
    Well, thanks for the positive feedback everyone!

    All I have to say is that I am having a lot of fun driving the Sentra Se-R AUTOMATIC! The paddle shifters are a good addition as well, once you learn how to use them. It is much easier than having to use your right hand to shift with an outdated manual car.
    Continuously variable transmissions are the wave of the future. Race inspired cars engineered automatic with the paddle shifters to add a genuine touch. Check out this article:
    http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/automoblog/- entries/2006/11/30/post.html

    All that I am asking is for Honda to consider an automatic version of the Si- with downgraded horsepower as in the Se-R. If it is working for Nissan why not try it with Honda?

    Maybe some positive feedback from someone?

    FYI- I do currently lease a Honda Civic EX and do not want to switch to Nissan when my lease is up!
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    Outdated??? You gotta be kidding. Until automatic transmissions are neurally wired into your brain and can read your thoughts, there will be no replacement for a true manual transmission. Why? Simple, with a true three pedal manual, not only can I select the gear I want, when I want it, and for as long as I want to hold it, but I can instantaneously adjust the speed of the gear change as well as the intensity of the clutch engagement as the surrounding traffic dynamics dictate.

    To this date, no automatic, not even Audi's highly regarded DSG can match a true manual for versatility and control of a vehicle.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Its not an issue. You should buy what you like and what you like driving. I personally never found it difficult to use my right hand to shift. Nor have I found anything outdated about getting more power and more efficiency than a slushbox Sentra. Perhaps if you took the time to master something, you would enjoy it.

    Continuously variable transmissions are the wave of the future.

    I haven't heard that since oh about 1989 (yikes is that 20 years ago) when the Subaru Justy came out. I think it will be true for hybrids and very low power/low demand situations.

    Race inspired cars engineered automatic with the paddle shifters to add a genuine touch

    A sequential manual transmission is different than a slushbox. It is more like a motorcycle transmission than a torque converter.

    All that I am asking is for Honda to consider an automatic version of the Si- with downgraded horsepower as in the Se-R. If it is working for Nissan why not try it with Honda?

    Given the discounts I see on the automatic SE-Rs, I would argue it is not working so well for Nissan.

    You have to buy what makes you happy. I guess I don't understand why you would want to take a specialized vehicle, designed for a specific task, and dumb it down, slow it down, and make it less fun to drive as opposed to just learning how to drive it properly.
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    ... I guess I don't understand why you would want to take a specialized vehicle, designed for a specific task, and dumb it down, slow it down, and make it less fun to drive as opposed to just learning how to drive it properly.

    Agreed 100%! I'd love to have a sport bike, but I've never been taught how to shift a motorcycle. I don't go around whining, "Why can't motorcycle manufacturers make sport bikes with automatic transmissions?" That would be ridiculous! It'd take all the "sport" out of a "sport bike." Now this will ruffle some feathers, but I feel the same about convertible sports cars/sport coupes. Why take a great car and ruin it by chopping the top off?? :( And an automatic, convertible sports car/sport coupe has got to be the most poseriffic thing in the world! :cry: (Mustang V6s excepted since they aren't about performance, anyway; but the GT and above, yes.)
  • lilengineerboylilengineerboy Member Posts: 4,116
    Agreed 100%! I'd love to have a sport bike, but I've never been taught how to shift a motorcycle.

    Don't be afraid of that. Its not hard to learn. The hand operated clutch on a motorcycle is super easy to get used to and modulate. You just roll on power as you let out the clutch.

    I feel the same about convertible sports cars/sport coupes. Why take a great car and ruin it by chopping the top off?? And an automatic, convertible sports car/sport coupe has got to be the most poseriffic thing in the world! (Mustang V6s excepted since they aren't about performance, anyway; but the GT and above, yes.)

    Sometimes, the car is about being a convertible and not about being sport. The Sebring, old school MBZ SLs, etc are in this category - they are fun but hardly sporty. Sometimes, the convertible part is part of what makes the car sporty (MGs, Triumphs, Boxster, Miata).
  • day9day9 Member Posts: 57
    Hi, Shipo,

    You sounds like an expert. I just got a si 2 wks ago. It is my first manual car and it is pretty hard for me to learn. But now I begin to enjoy driving it. 4th gear is my favorite, the car has lots of power.
    But at the light, I am always slower than others. Can u share some secret how to get off the line quick? Thanks,

    Mike
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    Use the shift light. Practice. Better rubber. More power. In that order.
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    With a manual transmission it's all about practice, especially when you're talking about a motor that is most happy when the RPMs are well north of 5,000.

    Also of note, with regards to getting off the line with a manual transmission equipped car, there is "Quick" and then there is "QUICK". The first one requires more finesse than the second, and comes with familiarity with the car. As you learn to "feel" the car, you'll get better and better at matching the RPMS, throttle application, and speed of clutch engagement to achieve whatever kind of launch you want. As for the really fast launch, mash the throttle, side-step the clutch pedal as the RPMs are heading beyond 5,000 miles, and hang on. ;) By the way, this method isn't conducive to a long drive-train life.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    ... By the way, this method isn't conducive to a long drive-train life.

    Come on. The Si only has like 8 lbs/ft of torque. How much damage could happen?? :P :shades:
  • shiposhipo Member Posts: 9,148
    ROTFLMAO! :shades:
  • ichor0416ichor0416 Member Posts: 10
    I test drove an '08 4dr si yesterday and liked it, but there are two things that troubled me. When I upshifted from 2nd to 3rd to 4th gears, immediately after each shift, the car would surge ahead just a bit, as if synchro was confused. I'm an experienced driver, having let the clutch travel all the way up before hitting the accelerator. The surge occurred in the millisecond before I even hit the accelerator! Is this standard si behavior? The second thing that troubles me is all this stuff I've been reading about the car's reluctance to get into 3rd gear, and TSB 08-020 (which I haven't been able to find a copy of on the web). I'm considering the si w/ Nav for invoice price. If anyone knows if it's possible to get lower, let me know! Thanks for your help.
  • bb1913bb1913 Member Posts: 2
    We have a 2007 Honda Civic Si that always had the hanging throttle problem and the annoying sticky 3rd gear...today I learned that my clutch is totally destroyed (they have to pull the transmission to confirm that the wear is "even" so they can tell you that it is from "extreme" use not parts or materials!). Just over 18,000 miles...now its a $1300.00 dollar job. I've had 3 Saabs that went to 200,000+ each without any clutch issues whatsoever and the car belongs to my "drives like an old lady" wife. I now learn that this is a cronic problem and I regret having purchased this car since the dealership isn't being upfront and their suggestion that it is a problem we created by some kind of driving style. Last time I checked, you need to use the clutch to move the car forward. So be forewarned Honda owners...that clutch is on the way out and it's your problem not Honda's.
  • bb1913bb1913 Member Posts: 2
    Hi I just posted my experience with the Si hanging throttle, clutch and 3rd gear problem. So if that didn't get your attention and you're still going to gamble on this car you should note that I purchased the extended warranty when I bought the car and the burned out clutch wasn't covered since they blamed it on excessive use (my wife must ride the clutch all the time!). Funny how our 3 Saabs went over 200,000 each with her being the principle driver in each (by a factor of 10...I work at home and she travels). No doubt its a fun little car...but Honda doesn't seem to back it up. They have lost us as future customers forever.
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    the weak point on the car that the third gear synchros are. They aren't related, as best I can tell. Perhaps you had a flaw with the engagement of the clutch, but I'd tend to believe that there's something about the engagement that you and/or your wife just aren't reading it right and causing premature wear, especially since this is one issue few people complain about. Be thankful you never drove the 90-93 Integra, as that car had an abrupt clutch that was hard to engage.
  • amcglenoamcgleno Member Posts: 1
    I have also had this problem

    I bought a red 2006 civic si on December 26th, and by early March at 18,000 miles the clutch went out. Cost me 1650.00 to fix. My third gear is all jacked up, pops out and grinds. My hubby has a 07 si and his 3rd gear does the same. Apparently the dealership claimed i raced the crap out of the vehicle and said it was under 'wear and tear'... love the car but i HATE the service.. a new car off the lot and 2 months later a new clutch.. see a problem there?
  • rb2363rb2363 Member Posts: 3
    I have an 07 Si and had the same problem with 3rd gear not engaging and sometimes popping out. Took it to the dealer. There was a maintenance bulletin about this problem. Apparently the original transmission fluid was subpar and they replaced it with a higher grade fluid. That was about 3 or 4 months ago. Haven't had a problem since.
  • rhesterrhester Member Posts: 29
    I've had an 08 fiji blue si sedan for about 4 months now. I don't know whether I've sub-consciously adjusted my driving technique to account for the 3rd gear surge or whether they've fixed it for the 08's but I can't say I notice it.

    One thing I do notice though is my average of 31 mpg! Admittedly I do mostly highway driving (about 80%) but still, I wasn't expecting to actually beat the EPA figures. I don't drive like a grandma either...who does in an Si? :)
  • dvorosdvoros Member Posts: 2
    I just had this happen to me. The car has 10,000 miles on it and is a year old last month. There is no way that they can tell me that I drove that car so poorly. Can you provide me with info or links that shows this to be a problem and not with just you and me.

    Thank you
    dvoros@lccc.edu
  • dvorosdvoros Member Posts: 2
    My car has 10,000 plus miles on it and was a year old last month. This week my clutch is completely burned up. I had difficulties shifting into 3rd gear as well. They say its not a manufacturers defect......yeah right! Can we say Lemon Law?
    Has anyone researched this issue to see how wide spread this problem is? I would appreciate any assistance.

    Thank you
  • rb2363rb2363 Member Posts: 3
    Through research and talking with my service rep I have found out the rpm hang is normal. It's just annoying. I've read and been told it is not harmful. Not familiar with your clutch problem. I haven't heard of any clutch problems. The shifting into 3rd gear however is a documented problem with Honda. I was having the same problem. Hard getting it into 3rd and sometimes slipping out of 3rd. After a couple trips to my dealership they discovered a maintenance bulletin for this problem. It seems that the transmission fluid put in at the factory was substandard. The fix was to drain the tranny fluid and refill with a better fluid. I had this done 3 or 4 months ago and I haven't had one occurrence of 3rd gear giving me a problem. So ask your service rep to check for this maintenance bulletin next time you go in. Hope this helps.
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    Honda has issued a TSB on 3rd gear - http://sohc.vtec.net/tsb/tsbA08-020.pdf .
  • dkizzle10dkizzle10 Member Posts: 1
    yes, i agree....i have a 2008 Civic Si 4 door! and drove from San Angelo, TX to San Antonio on a Half tank.......i was traveling 73 mph the entire trip....that is about 35mpg!!! very nice....i dont have any troubles with the third gear issue on my '08...
  • kork13kork13 Member Posts: 90
    THANK YOU! I came back onto these boards after a long absence in part to ask about this ('07 4-door Si)... I have trouble getting into third gear. I try to shift into it, and it will occasionally "stick" about half-way into gear. If I don't notice it and try to keep accelerating, it pops out of gear. If I notice it, I have to take it out of gear then back in. And here you've given me the bulletin that addresses the problem exactly! Thanks alot.
  • kork13kork13 Member Posts: 90
    I agree. I've had consistently high MPG. Around town I get 28. I average about 31-32. With 100% hwy driving, I get between 34-36, depending on my speed. I love it.
  • ssensssens Member Posts: 4
    I recently bought a '08 4-door Si and after 2 weeks and 500miles, later i started noticing a shimmy in the steering and possibly a subtle shimmy in the cabin . I do a lot of highway driving and this kicks in after 50mph and is consistent. Anyone seen this problem or is this a known issue? I am taking the car to the dealership next week, but doubt they would be of any help. Any suggestion is appreciated?
  • cz75cz75 Member Posts: 210
    Alignment issue or bad tire, perhaps?
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    Sounds like cupped tire(s). Not a big deal, but unlikely that the dealer will replace them without a fight. Or could just need rebalancing; you may have thrown a weight.
  • ssensssens Member Posts: 4
    Can a new car have alignment issue or bad tires? Dont they check all that before they pass the car at the factory?
  • ssensssens Member Posts: 4
    Can i be having cupped tires within 500 miles? I hear you about the dealer, they normally try to steer clear of such things. Also, this might be a basic question but i am new at this, what do you mean when you say i might have thrown a weight?
  • tayl0rdtayl0rd Member Posts: 1,926
    Yes, you can have cupped tires within 500 miles, especially if you're an aggressive driver. I imagine it's safe to say you probably drive aggressively; otherwise, why'd you by an Si and not a regular Civic? ;) When I say "thrown a weight," I mean exactly that. One (or more) of the little balancing weights may have been flung off the wheel(s). It's not a very common thing to happen, but it can happen and is nothing to panic or lose faith in the car over. An improperly balanced or misaligned wheel can also cause cupping in the tire.

    Just take it to the dealer and have them check things out.
  • ssensssens Member Posts: 4
    I agree i am an agressive driver :) but i have been conservative on the Si as i didnt want to push the car for the first 1000miles. Good to know it can still some issues like you mentioned above, right out of the dealership. Lets see what the dealer says.
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