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Now my Type S calls for 91 where do you get 92 in Eagle -Vail? You ought to try a car thats not naturally aspirated.Maybe a WRX,I like my Accura better,but the low end torque leaves alot to be desired.
I can't believe your manual calls for 92 as I never saw anything but, 87, 89, 91,93 0r Sunoco 260 can fly a plane on that stuff. The altitude doesn't help at all.
pat, "2007 Mazdaspeed3 First Drives" #1, 26 Sep 2006 2:02 pm
The writers seem pretty critical of the throttle mapping. In the real world, it hasn't been an issue for me. But, the DBW is something tuners will soon take care of. I imagine some company will come up with a good program to flash the PCM and give it a more aggressive tune. Possibly even lower the point where the more aggressive cam lobes kick-in too.
In the late model Mustang world, it only took a few months for tuners to take control of the DBW on the '05's. '05 owners had the same complaints. From what I read, re-mapping the throttle on those cars made a big difference.
I get the first oil change free at the dealership I bought it at. I might take it in there, but that will probably be the last time I take it in for an oil change.
honda doesn't overrate the motor, the drive train simply has minimal loss.
go to www.hondata.com for more info.
anyone check out the ms3 and gti numbers? looks like the ms3 is powerful because its a turbo and its a big engine; not nearly as advanced as the si's or gti's.
the gti suffered minimal losses of power as well. almost 50lbs of torque over the si in ANY rpm range! and that power curve, can you say ecu upgrade?
Also, with the ms3...its power range is very small. I dont remember which magazine I was reading but they showed the dyno for the ms3 and all the power was from 2300-5500 was the power and before and after it was loosing power. Bottom end suffered from turbo lag and top end could'nt handle any revs past 6k.
the link in this thread compares all three dyno sheet (gti,si,ms3) and MAN does the mazdaspeed 3 have a horrible powerband. it was interesting how they pointed out that it probably required the least amount of engineering out of all the engines; its a big, psi'd-out-the-butt turbo mated to a fairly large engine; ofcourse it makes some power!
I think that the sis engine is fantastic, but tuning it the same with a bit more displacement would be phenomenal. And vw needs to loosen up on the gti; that power curve has been totally castrated and needs to be released!
Anyway, the sales person had me "try" a red SI (the only one on the lot, and he stated I had to pay MSRP because it was "HOT" - NOT). For about a week (while winding down my Maxima lease end) I was on the fence between the Civic SI & Altima SE (didn't drive the Altima but figured it would be like the Maxima I had).
I think the selling point for the Civic SI was the sound of the engine. My decision was helped by a 25 year old coworker who has a 2006 Civic SI Coupe. He said, "Dude, you definitely want the Civic SI", so here I am (we both have the Galaxy Gray). My wife also wanted me to have this after test driving it. She would have considered it, but was surprised it didn't come in automatic.
I am trying to feel whether the SI is similar to performance to the Maxima. I think it is, but it is different. I am looking foward to a new lease (in 34 months) because I have read something about a 2.3 liter, 240 HP Civic SI. That is why leasing is nice because a new car is waiting.
and about your chip on your windshield, you should take it to a place like jiffy lube. When i had a quarter inch crack on my jetta windshield, they drill it out and put this little clear plug thing that stops the crack from spreading. since yours is so small, you wouldnt even really see it. Also they will do it for free.
the enigine that this 'wish' is about is the k23 (k series 2.3 litre) turbo that resides in the acura rdx. its one of the few honda factory turbos and had lots of tuners wondering if it could be stuffed under a civics hood. I'd expect a jump in displacement before a turbo'd factory civic though. even in europe, the land of all things forced induction, honda opted for another n/a engine in their type r.
Currently the most powerful civic engine is the k20 in the japanese, (not euro) type r. its the same size as our si's engine, but tuned to 156 lbs ft of torque and a whoopoing 222 hp. But its not cheap, and its murder on your butt becasue of the way the chassis is tuned.(laps faster than an stock s2000.)
don't worry, after driving the car, your wife will realize how poorly an auto transmission would be on a car with an engine of this nature.
not bad
Also i found out, that the dealerships around here have a mistake in there service technician book. its the book honda issues to the dealerships to show which cars need which oil and filters n what not. But the manager showed me several books and they all showed that the Si need 5w 20.. When the Si manual says it need 5w 30 and so does the oil cap on the engine. i blamed the problem on the dealership, now i see that it was hondas fault.. Although im very suprised the dealership hadnt figured it out yet!
That is showing WHEEL power, 197hp is to the crank. every car is like that. All cars show there power to the crank, not how much power your actually putting to the wheel.
and by the way 180 wheel horse power is excellent, broke the engine in very well, ive seen others with 176-178 wheel horse power. yet to dyno mine. how much does it cost for a dyno run?
And I was impressed by those figures, typicall you expect to see a 15-25% loss of power through the drive train.
Dynos usually run about $100 for a session. But unless you suspect a problem or are performing mods, what's the point? We have baseline numbers.
Of course, the dyno operator can always skew a few variables and give you better numbers than the next guy. If you just want some bragging rights.
They practicaly have the whole parts catalog online! It's pretty cool. Decent part graphics and prices. Pretty cool resource.
Something I haven't found prices for are typical sensors such as MAss Air meters and O2 sensors. Hopefully they'll add those later. Maybe they'll even put up OBD2 codes. That would be great.
http://www.collegehillshondaparts.com/
You won't find much at the eStore.
James Healey: Almost no modern engines require premium. Even those in which premium is recommended can safely burn regular most of the time. Knock sensors in modern engines adjust the timing to compensate for fuel's octane and prevent ruinous knock (pistons shaking in the cylinders). Some will deliver a few more hp using it, but as you point out, mainly at high revs where few people drive. I'm of two minds. If I bought a premium car, I'd think I should be willing to use the recommended fuel for best performance. Part of the deal. I'd feel a little silly using lower-octane fuel. But I also think it's basically dumb to design an engine to run best on premium, and would be very tempted to protest by simply burning regular. Premium, by the way, usually is a marketing ploy, not an engineering decision. An engine designed for premium (that is, the engine has a high compression ratio) can eke out a few more ponies that the same engine not so-designed. That lets the automaker advertise a little better hp, whether that's useful or noticeable.
Maybe just me, but being able to access part price right from the dealer, without going there or making a phone call, is great. And getting the blow-out illustrations for parts, even better.
I wish it was that easy for my other cars. Autozone and Advance have great sites for searching for parts too. But, they show nothing available for Civics 06-07, yet.
Voss Honda in Tipp City, OH is trying to sell it for $21K. That baby's been "rode hard and put away wet," I suspect.
But its rarity as a Cert. Used in such a large geographic area, only attests to the popularity and demand for Si sedans.
I'm in MD also looking to buy a civic si sedan.
Thanks
And p.s., dealer names are okay, but please do read the membership agreement...
I guess having Honda link you to your dealer's parts dept. (assuming they even participate, my immediate local dealers don't) and having to pay high prices for the parts instead of cost + 10% is waaaay more convenient. I can only surmise you didn't bother to look at either website past the intro page, as each site is a full service dealer with all available Honda parts.
Me? I prefer to buy my genuine parts at the cheapest sources on the 'net and having to go to a dealer website instead of using Honda as an intermediary is no inconvenience at all.
as nice as the si sedan is, the euro civic and civic type r are the nicest looking civics ever made; so original and un-bland!
while the jdm civic type r (looks similar to our si sedan but with a nicer loooking nose) is a bit nicer from a performance standpoint, the type r in europe is one incredibly designed car.
10% over cost is always good. That was the best thing about working at a Ford dealer back when I was a kid.
After spending the past 8 years searching for parts for our '98 VW, I just think this is great.
There are lot's of places to find late model VW parts, but I haven't come across any dealerships offering such a nice searchable database. You can't believe the number of trim items I've had to replace since new. For those items, I'm stuck calling the local dealer or stopping by after work.
I've ordered a few accesories for the SI from one dealer, they had great discounts. But they only offered accessories, no replacement parts.
Forgive me for jumping on ya. I was just excited.
I know you don't like hatchbacks, but remember even the first si's were EXCLUSIVELY hatchbacks.
Not to mention that even the euro Type R would give our si's a run for their money;
they weigh less,
have slightly more hp and torque
hit their peak hp and tq LOWER in the rpm range
and while lacking a limited slip, have finer tuned suspensions and MUCH wider tires and an interior that simply OWNS.
thanks you
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