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VW New Beetle (Pricing & Information)

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    sukhsukh Member Posts: 1
    Hi to all the Beetle owners out there! Newby here!
    Was wondering how your cars are handling the icy roads and winter weather. Please be speciofic about what you have. Thanks Sukh
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    DanaRDanaR Member Posts: 37
    To Darian in PDX and others: I too live in Portland, and purchased my blue TDI beetle from Herzog VW in April. I paid msrp, which was 17,660. I guess since I ordered it in advance (October 97), the dealer was not yet aware of price gouging. To their credit they came through for me. If you see one near the Nike campus, odds are its me!

    Its really fun to drive, and I expect it to be super reliable and efficient like my former car, a diesel Rabbit. I recommend getting a trunk CD player (Car Toys installed mine for about $300), and Dave Matthews Band CDs.

    Good luck and hope you enjoy your new car.

    Dana
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    darenjpdxdarenjpdx Member Posts: 14
    Even though I finally got my NB TDI, I decided to check on prices in Portland (I got mine in San Francisco as you can see in the above posting). The Portland dealers are starting to price their NB's "aggressively" as they put it by selling at MSRP for white, red, black. Other colors aren't yet so lucky. Still no TDI's. I plan to boycott Portland dealers for further purchases. I'd rather work with a dealer that didn't take advantage of their customers even if that means going to San Francisco. Good luck everyone and don't pay over sticker!
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    jimboutilierjimboutilier Member Posts: 5
    Mike;

    There are a few, but I recall Mountain States VW on S Colorado,and there is one in Thornton as well but I can't remember the name.

    The mountain states guys seem to be getting a lot of shipments in, and while I have not put a deposit down (they want $2000) they keep calling me when something close to what I want comes in. The ONLY option I have seen them put on is window tint, and they will significantly discount it if you tell them you do not want it.

    Jim
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    mznmzn Member Posts: 727
    Happy New Year, NB fans! I'm back from a short vacation and happy to see such satisfied folks. Our users are without a doubt the most knowledgeable and friendly of any car site on the web. Thanks for being such a treat!!

    carlady/host
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    truetrue Member Posts: 1
    I've had my 99 GLS TDI (in yellow, none the less) for three weeks now. The car has been a blast to drive; I've had it from one end of Florida to the other, and I'm averaging 45 mpg.

    For those of you who have been following Edmunds' long term review of their 98 NB, you'll recognize several nagging early production problems that seem to crop up time and again. Think "trunk rattle." For us TDI owners, there's the dread Check Engine Light/glow plug relay problem. I've been harvesting information about beetle problems and fixes, and I've posted it all as a new beetle FAQ: http://web.nwe.ufl.edu/~true/newbeetle/nb-faq.html

    Among other chunks 'o knowledge, I have links to a database of dealers charging MSRP, as well as links to as many NB aftermarket shops as I could find.
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    mknightmknight Member Posts: 57
    I stopped by and counted NBs on the local dealers lot this weekend. 10 total, 2 are TDIs. One TDI is a 1998, the other a 1999; one was black and the other was red, I don't remember which was which. The others were the usual colors of blue, red, black, and maybe a white. No yellows, greens, or silvers.

    --Mike
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    michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Sukh:

    Here in Denver, we've been getting light but steady snow for a few days. Our NB ('99 gas/5speed) handles it just fine. Just like any other fwd car .. too much gas in the corners and the front tires spin.

    About the only complaint is that the car gets dirty quite easily! The extended fenders (esp in the rear) are always covered with snow/mud/slush. Am looking into getting the body colored mud flaps to minimize this.

    Other than that, nothing much to report. Enjoy your NB!
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    govugovu Member Posts: 62
    Check this out:

    http://www.detnews.com/1999/autoshow/index.htm

    The NB is the North American Car of the Year, as announced at the Detroit Auto Show!
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    jagat1jagat1 Member Posts: 31
    Fresh off the presses!!.......


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    New Beetle specifications


    January 4, 1999


    Auto: 1999 New Beetle, world premiere Detroit. A new turbo engine model.


    Make: Volkswagen


    Model: New Beetle


    Specialties: Volkswagen's darling with a much peppier engine than the New Beetle that stole last year's show. A 150 horsepower sports version of the New Beetle with a 1.8L, V5 turbo, in-line, gas engine.


    Specs: Wheelbase: 98.9 inches.


    Cost: $19,000


    Source: Auto.com
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    michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Umm, jagat1, I think the specs are mixed up.

    The turbo engine in the NB will be a 1.8 litre 4 cylinder engine, similar to what is available in the Passat and the Audi A4.

    The VR5 you refer to is basically the VR6 engine with a cylinder lopped off. It will be normally aspirated, with a displacement of 2.3 litres, and available only in Europe (for the time being).

    I think the confusion is that both the 1.8L turbo and the 2.3L VR5 make 150HP.
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    ajvdhajvdh Member Posts: 223
    Unless you just turn "V5" into "5V", in which case the description is correct; the 1.8 Turbo is a 5 valve per cylinder engine (3 intake, 2 exhaust for those keeping score).
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    jagat1jagat1 Member Posts: 31
    Am aware of the 1.8t engine,guys.Your "V5" inquiry I think should be forwarded to auto.com.


    Am just da messenger...


    In any case,this is still great news for folks waiting for the GLS/GLX Bug...


    Cheers!
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    jagat1jagat1 Member Posts: 31
    Check/visit :
    http://www.auto.com
    and see the "funny"(?) Beetle 1.8t "V5" report..
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    mznmzn Member Posts: 727
    And here's the unveiling of the Volkswagen New Beetle Rsi from the Detroit auto show.

    What do you think?

    carlady/host
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    BwummerBwummer Member Posts: 46
    Well, everyone, I too am back from a (too) short vacation and playing with my Christmas present.

    Christmas present? Yep! '99 NB TDI in bright red. Lovin' it (when I can crowbar my wife out of the car so I can drive it for a few minutes). Just filled the tank for the first time; $11.50 for three weeks of driving (43MPG).

    Let me update some of the stuff here:

    1) If you check my post #172, you'll see I've owned a lot of VW's. I can say one thing without hesitation: VW ALWAYS has problems w/a new model or major redesign. Hang in there and keep after your dealer (or call VW USA). Most of them want you as a customer, and they'll make you happy. VW USA definately will.

    2) VW Dealers: I've had great luck with them. However, DON'T PAY A PENNY OVER MSRP. Dealers make money selling cars. Dealers also have a lot of incentives to sell you a car that's actually on their lot, especially if it's been there a while. Rictra1, on my PC I can make you an extremely official looking invoice which will clearly show that I paid $8000 for my TDI (it was $18000 w/destination, a little under MSRP), and I can make the dealer add a spoiler and sunroof at no charge. Bottom line: DON'T TRUST ANYTHING A DEALER TELLS YOU UNLESS YOU CAN VERIFY IT FROM ANOTHER SOURCE. You may not be able to find a Bug for UNDER MSRP, but you shouldn't pay a penny more , either. Don't give in to your need for a Beetle. Stick to your guns unti the dealer offers a fair price (MSRP or less).

    3) Finding Dealers: My local dealers here in SE Connecticut (Valenti VW and Langan VW) have over 60 '99 GLS gas models between them, lots of colors, and a few TDI's thrown into the mix (color selection is poor on the TDI's). Try http://www.cars.com for a good dealer search function which lets you specify how far you're willing to drive. You can also go to www.edmunds.com and use the "autobytel" feature to get a low price quote from a dealer "near" you (could be up to 50 mi away, maybe more in some rural areas).

    4) Availability: This is FOAF (friend of a friend) data, but it didn't come from a car dealer. Leather upholstery and sunroofs are going to be made "later this year". Leather WAS being made, but they stopped due to quality problems. If you find one, it's one of the first '99 bugs off the line. According to my source, "later this year" is defined as "whenever VW can make enough of the GLS and GLS TDI to meet current demand, and not before." Could be a long wait.

    Sorry I got so long winded. I'll have to come back more often.
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    mgrmgr Member Posts: 40
    Got a call from the dealer yesterday. Have a green 5sp gas available. Will charge MSRP. BUT, wants $1995 for wheels, $795 CD, $395 tint, $795 cloth/paint guard, $795 for LoJack! Maybe I'm goofy, but I think this is a little excessive.

    Will be negotiating the deal today.
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    mknightmknight Member Posts: 57
    Your're not goofy, they are excessive.

    $1995 for wheels = $399 for 5 wheels (if he gives you an alloy spare) or $498.75 for 4 wheels. You can get some VERY nice aftermarket wheels for these prices. Check out tirerack.com.

    $795 CD: You can get this for less than $300 and install it yourself in 5 minutes.

    $395 tint: I no idea what this should cost.

    $795 cloth/paint guard = 1 can of scotchguard and a wax job? Check prices at a local detailing shop!

    $795 LoJack: I no idea what this should cost.


    --Mike
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    ajvdhajvdh Member Posts: 223
    High quality tint (top of the line 3M or equivalent) should run about $160-$180 on a NB.

    The LoJack price sounds about $150-$200 high to me (but I haven't priced it in a couple of years).
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    mgrmgr Member Posts: 40
    Well, just got through with the dealer, they said the owner requires installation of all these accessories at those prices...take it or leave it. So, I left it. Two dealers down, one more to go. Sure is tough trying to buy a NB in Dallas! I hope the car is worth it.
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    govugovu Member Posts: 62
    Maybe you should tell the owner about this site and how you're letting others know about his scams. Maybe he'll change his mind.
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    mgrmgr Member Posts: 40
    One could hope. I fired off an email to VW, we'll see if there is a response.

    Havent given up, however. Another dealer, another $500 depo, another waiting list. I've found out that if something doesnt work out, its because there is a better deal around the corner. Sweet!

    Mike
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    darenjpdxdarenjpdx Member Posts: 14
    I received my 99 TDI Today. I am so excited to let all of you know how it goes after I drive it and look over everything. It was shipped from San Francisco to Portland. Only took 1 day to ship. I'll let you know if it was worth the 3 month wait.
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    KAURELIOKAURELIO Member Posts: 20
    mgr,

    Let Joe at www.lvdi.net/~sushiman/index2.htm know about this dealer, he is compiling a list of all dealers and what they charge. His list is up to 131 now. He calls his site Bug Heaven. Anyone to pays that high a price for the Beetle is nuts, now that supply is starting to catch up. Good choice on your part to wait!
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    BwummerBwummer Member Posts: 46
    From the sound of things on this board, I'd say the reason no one can find a NB in stock is because the dealers up here in Connecticut have hoarded them all.

    Good job to all you who resisted the slimy aftermarket offerings by your local dealers. Here's a good double check for you: if you can't go to Edmunds or Cars.com or Kelly Blue Book (http://www.kbb.com/) and find the option listed as a manufacturer's option with Invoice and MSRP prices listed, THE DEALER'S RIPPING YOU OFF. If he won't sell you the car without that garbage, walk away.

    I did find one good dealer extra (once upon a time). The dealer worked with a company called Dynaplate. Basically, for $800, the detailer sold you a paint, vinyl and fabric protectant package. My first thought was that it was another classic scotchguard, armoral, and turtle wax rip off. Then I read the fine print. It turned out that you got 12 coupons to bring your car in and have it treated, but not more often than every six months. And they washed and cleaned the car before they did it. They offered a complimentary free treatment on delivery. I liked their work, so I gambled on the package. It turned out that I got six years worth of semi-annual detailing at about $67 apiece. So they're not ALL bad deals.
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    BwummerBwummer Member Posts: 46
    If I can get my nickel back for a second....

    All you who ask if the NB is worth the wait, I can only answer with a resounding YES!!!!!!
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    mgrmgr Member Posts: 40
    Thanks Kaurelio, dealers name now posted. And to Bwummer, my dealer tells me Conn is where many of the dealers are getting their NB from. I'll also take your word about the NB being worth the wait, because I am on the 2-5 month list.

    The one thing I can say to all considering buying a Beetle(or any other car): Never fall in love until you drive it off the lot.
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    mjb56mjb56 Member Posts: 170
    For those wondering how the NB handles in snow, we just are getting over a major snow storm (15") and all I can tell you is that it handles great. Doesn't miss a beat!
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    pam2pam2 Member Posts: 185
    I'm in Arlington. Have you tried Hiley Volkswagen/Mazda on I-20 in Arlington? I went there a few months ago and they seemed reasonable on their price. They weren't going over MSRP and didn't say anything about add-ons. They wanted a $500 deposit to get on the waiting list. I haven't been back, so I don't know if they have changed their prices, but it's worth a look.
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    pam2pam2 Member Posts: 185
    Went to Las Vegas last week. One of the casinos offered a New Beetle as the slot jackpot. Since my luck was substantial last week and I was winning quite a lot, I decided to go for the car! Geez!! I got SOOOO close!! I had all three symbols for the jackpot lined up in a row - one click BELOW the payoff line!!!!! AArrrggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!! I was so sure I would hit it!! But, alas, I came home Beetleless.
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    mgrmgr Member Posts: 40
    Pam2, No I havent. Thanks for the advice. I've also heard Central VW is pretty good also.
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    pinheadpinhead Member Posts: 33
    I know that it has been posted already, but I am going to do it again. It is the address of the site that has a listing of over 130 VW dealers and what they are asking for the NB. Check it out and you will see that most are asking MSRP.

    www.lvdi.net/~sushiman/index2.htm
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    michaellnomichaellno Member Posts: 4,120
    Is the reason so many of you are on such long waiting lists because you want a very specific combination of colors and equipment? My NB search lasted all of 1 week. Went in the Saturday after Thanksgiving to talk to the dealer. We saw plenty of red and white, but no yellow, bright blue or green - our top choices. Within the next week we received three phone calls from the dealer informing us that those colors had come in. Yellow and green were tricked up with lots of accessories - price was too high. The bright blue, however, was just what we wanted, so we bought it.
    We tried not to be too emotional about the car - there were others makes we wanted as well (this car is for my wife, and she needed something that gets good gas mileage).

    It's a fun car, to be sure. Patience will be rewarded in the end.
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    BwummerBwummer Member Posts: 46
    Any of you who are wondering about whether it's worth the wait, check out the current issue of Motor Trend Magazine (Feb '99) and their Import Car of the Year or Consumer Reports Nov '98 issue.
    Now the only thing I won't believe is the performance numbers. I think they're conservative. The NB sure FEELS peppier than 10 second 0-60 times.

    For those of you who've read the Motor Trend article, has anyone tried their "old traditions die hard" test with your NB. I haven't, but my record was 10 in a Super Beetle. Since I got a good belly laugh out of it, I'll leave it at that and try not to spoil the fun for anyone who hasn't read the article but wants to.

    And by the way, on winter driving, the record for Connecticut so far is: Winter Storms (including snow, ice, sleet, and freezing rain) -- 0, New Beetle -- 4. What a car! It handles as well in the slop as my Explorer.
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    diklicdiklic Member Posts: 7
    Hi,


    I took mine yesterday. Red GLS with black interior. All options, no leather. Leased for 159 a month, 2600 down. I love the car it drives great it looks even beeter. The dashboard is fantastic.

    Dan
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    kyankyan Member Posts: 4
    A used car dealership near where I live has a used 98 NB w/ 7 thousand miles on it, and a 5 speed for $18,900. A VW/Audi dealership a little over an hour away has a brand new NB w/ the exact same color & options for $17,300 which is the MSRP. Sounds like it's best to best to buy a new one, if you get the right dealer.
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    rictra1rictra1 Member Posts: 7
    http://www.comnet.ca/~mallen/maternit.htm

    The above link is the site of the Maternity Ward where several NB owners have posted photos of their newly adopted NB's. And, mine is there too. His name is HOOTER. I bought mine at Gerald Jones VW in Augusta, GA. I paid MSRP and $400 extra for the CD Changer installed. I was not on a waiting list. I emailed dealers a week prior to Christmas of my intentions to buy and several responded. My dealer in Augusta responded that they had a bright blue coming in which they swapped with another dealer. No one was on a list for it and I bought it on 12/24/98.

    It is so pleasant to drive. I wish it got better gas mileage -- my Lexus LS400 actually gets a wee bit better city mileage (22 mpg). The Lexus does beat everybody starting from the traffic light and it would be nice if the NB did too. Guess I will have to wait for that new 1.8 Turbo later.
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    mznmzn Member Posts: 727
    I love the maternity ward link! Thanks for sharing that with us.

    carlady/host
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    isellhondasisellhondas Member Posts: 20,342
    Rencetly, a lady traded in a 99 Beetle on a new Accord. The beetle had only 1500 miles on it and she decided that she didn't like it.

    After two weeks, it didn't sell so we wholesaled it to the V.W. dealer.

    Now, I don't know what model it was, but it was a gas version with an automatic. It was (and probably still is) red.

    I decided to take it for a spin and found myself liking the thing! Hard to admit...

    At first, it is a wierd thing to drive with the long dash and high ceiling. Nothing at all like my beloved 62 bug though.

    Now, if I didn't sell Hondas and was in the marketplace, I still probably wouldn't buy one. I am not convinced that VW is bulding a car that will hold up long term. That remains to be seen.

    But, still...I was impressed, and I can see why others are buying!
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    pam2pam2 Member Posts: 185
    Isellhondas,

    You ARE getting soft!!! :)

    Interesting though that the first owner decided she didn't like it after only 1,500 miles and bought an Accord. I wonder what she owned before the Beetle. Any idea?

    Also curious that your dealership wasn't able to sell it. What was it priced at? Maybe Beetle lovers wouldn't think to look at a Honda dealer. Any thoughts?


    Pam
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    govugovu Member Posts: 62
    Pam2--

    I think I know where you're going here. But one person trading in a New Beetle for an Accord is still just one data point. How many NB owners love their cars? Lots. And someone who really wants an Accord shouldn't be buying a Beetle--they are cars serving different niches. Anyone who needs to regularly carry backseat passengers will not be pleased with a NB.

    Considering that used NB's are being sold for the same price (or even more) than brand new NB's, I would rather wait for my own than purchase one that's already been driven around.
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    pam2pam2 Member Posts: 185
    Actually, I don't think you know where I was going. I don't need a lecture, thanks. Nothing you said was new to me.

    You see... I'm also drawn to the New Beetle because of it's charm and character. But I'm not so pulled to it that I'll rush out and buy one. I'm afraid I would be just like the lady Isellhondas was describing. I think it's interesting and cute, but I'm unsure about's reliability and longevity. That's why I'm curious about why she traded it in so soon, and what she owned prior to the Beetle.

    I would hate to buy one only to be so disappointed after a couple thousand miles that I went right back to a Honda. I'm currently driving a 1996 Civic Hatchback and thinking it's too small for me. Although a Civic Hatchback is a far cry from a New Beetle, it at least gives me an opportunity to own a small car to see how I like it. And it cost me a lot less than a New Beetle would, so I shouldn't be out too much money if I decide to go back to a Sedan.

    Basically what I'm doing is watching and listening. I'm on an information gathering mission. If I tend to put more emphasis on negative comments than positive, it's because positive comments are easy to find. It's the negative ones that are less common and deserve some investigation.


    Pam
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    rickroverrickrover Member Posts: 601
    I've had a 97 Audi A6 Quattro since new and have had nothing (at all) go wrong with it in 45,000 miles. That was the main reason I took a serious look at VW. I transferred to Florida from Colorado and sold a Mercedes S class with well over 200k miles on it before I left and planned on buying a third car (also have a Land Rover) when I got here. I looked at Mercedes (C class) BMW (3 series) and happened by a VW dealer to look at a 99 Jetta and decided on a New Beetle after a test drive. I know this will be a very dependable car, it reminds me so much of the A6 when I drive it. I love this car. I would rather be in a New Beetle than anything Honda makes in an accident. Hondas are not up to European crash test standards. The woman who traded her New Beetle bought it for the wrong reasons in the first place.
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    pam2pam2 Member Posts: 185
    Rick,

    Why are you so sure that your New Beetle will be very dependable? I don't know much about German cars since I've owned Hondas for so long, but I thought Audi's are better cars than VW's. I could be wrong, though. Plus, 45,000 miles really isn't much. Most any car should be worry-free for that long. How about after 75,000 miles or 100,000 miles? That's the test.

    I also like the looks of the new 1999 Jetta - looks like a baby Passat. But, again, I would have concerns over quality and reliability. I've heard many bad things about Jettas.

    Have you ever owned a Honda? Or have you always owned German cars? What else have you owned in the past?

    I, too, was impressed with the NB's safety ratings. But it still comes down to reliability and quality for me. I guess it's a trade. Besides, it's not like a Honda is going to blow into a thousand pieces on impact! :)

    How long have you had your Beetle and what color it is? Another thing I wonder about is the "new wearing off" and getting tired of the unique styling. Some days I think they're cute and charming; then some days I think they're just goofy.

    I wonder what the reasons were that the lady bought the Beetle. I imagine as long as I waffle so badly about it, I better not buy one. :)
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    BwummerBwummer Member Posts: 46
    govu --

    I beg to differ. My 2 1/2 year-old son gets toted around in the back seat of our NB every day. In fact if you ask him which car he wants to go in, he says, "I want ride in red car!" with a huge smile. He's actually got more leg room than in the back seat of my Explorer. And the person strapping him in can STAND (ok, bent at the waist, but your legs are straight) in the back to do it. Couldn't even do that in our Caravan!

    However, as a 6'1" adult, I don't think I'd want to routinely take long trips in the back seat of one. But even I don't get uncomfortable on the ten-minute hop into town.

    And I also agree that anyone who has traded in a NB already bought the car because of "Beetle Lust" and not because he really assessed what he wanted in a vehicle.
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    govugovu Member Posts: 62
    Bwummer--

    No arguments from me on that one. I saw a NB with two child seats in back, and neither child looked uncomfortable. But I'm 6'2". I've ridden in back for short drives, which was fine. But there is no way you're going to be toting around a (happy) family of 2 adults and 2 tall teens.

    I'm not worried about the backseat because it will be several years before I have to worry about 2 tall teens. I love the car.
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    govugovu Member Posts: 62
    I'm buying one.
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    govugovu Member Posts: 62
    -in a polite tone-

    In light of things you've posted in the past, I took your note to be critical of the NB in a "See, another person bought a Honda instead" sort of way.

    I apologize for misinterpreting what you said. I'm glad you're checking things out; it's too bad that this is a lousy medium for guessing someone's inflection and (therefore) meaning.
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    rickroverrickrover Member Posts: 601
    Pam,

    I have a bright blue Beetle GLS 5 speed with gray cloth. This car is very well designed, I like the front seat room, the way the controls are laid out and the general feel of it. I went to the dealer to test a new Jetta and decided on the Beetle after a test drive. It has a very high level of fit and finish, equal to any BMW, Mercedes or Audi I have owned. It just makes me smile whenever I drive it or look at it, this car is a keeper. I drive my vehicles for a long time usually 150,000 miles or more, my Range Rover has close to 150k on it and still runs great, my 92 Mercedes had over 200k and purred like a kitten, I had no trouble selling it before I was transferred. I like what VW has done with their models lately, thats why I had VW on my list of cars to check out this time around. After really evaluating what this vehicle would be used for the Beetle fit the bill perfectly and I saved several thousand dollars to boot.
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    BwummerBwummer Member Posts: 46
    But as we've all said (at least I know I have) on this board before, if you need a car to tote 2 adults and 2 teens around, you should be looking elsewhere. Passat, if you're set on VW's, but certainly not NB.

    If you really have to have a NB for the above situaton, you need three: One for the adults, and one for each teen!

    And no, as the guy who would pay for the cars and the insurance, I certainly DON'T advocate that! If I had that kind of money, I'd be posting on the Rolls Royce or BMW 7-series board, not here.

    (Can I have the last word? Please, oh Please, OH PLEASE!)
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