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I could see the 09/10 Sonata V6 having much more torque in manual mode with ESC off so you may be right there, all I was saying is that I am glad the new Sonata shaved off 350 lbs. While the power is not going to be equivelent to a 2010 V6, that is a different car all together in terms of style, gas milage, etc. If anyone is looking for a drag racing car for $20K - $30K than they should just pick up a Genesis Coupe or a Mustang or Mazdaspeed3 but hopefully the 200 HP engine in the new Sonata will still have some balls and be fun to drive, which I think it will.
Given a choice between poor spelling and condescension, I think I'll go with poor spelling.
I don't believe in leasing, but what would the lease terms be like for a 36 month lease with 35,000 miles per year?
just take it kind of easy to start you will figure it out quickly. Good question!!
idea to stay in contact he respected what I had to say. I told him about being on the forum, he calls for info. You want a reasonable answer I can get it, if it has not been released yet I can't pass it on. Have a good weekend
Could you ask him if the turbo model is going to be a 2.0 or a 2.4?
remember how much fun it was. That crap is way to expensive, thats why I
bought this slow family sedan. LOL. 1 point I will also mention the shifttronics
will eat a manuel trns ups/ a foot clutch. How do I know, remember the B&M
transmission, that is what this trans was desienged after... Just enjoy but be
warned them damn speeding tickets are expensive. LMAO
Thanks for question. Gary
Thanks.
caseybru
Ummm, can you please paraphrase? It's really, really hard to understand those two sentences.
I love the Edmunds forums. They're invaluable, and I thank the contributors for their insight. But folks, let it be known that proper spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar never went out of style. And without those, a contributor comes off sounding at best less than intelligent, and at worst, ignorant and boorish.
Also, remember that cute abbreviations may save 3 seconds of your time, but are 1-bloody hard to read, and 2-non-searchable for other users using the search function.
Please, take just a few moments to make sure your posts are cleaned up before posting. Your fellow Edmunds users will appreciate you for it.
Ummm, can you please paraphrase? It's really, really hard to understand those two sentences.
Makes perfect sense to me. If you're looking for grammatical perfection I would suggest an educational forum of some sort. I think everyone has a right to their own writing style whatever it may be.
There are often manufacturer-to-dealer incentives that are not published but allow dealers to sell cars at well below invoice.
FWIW, fitzmall had posted their prices of the 2011 sonata for one evening and they were gone the following morning. Their internet prices reflected only several hundred dollars off the msrp - an insignificant amount when compared to the savings being offered by fairfax hyundai. May God bless you in a special way today and happy motoring to you.
teach us how to save a little time and space to post beside's the way we use
already. I'm sure that everyone would follow that to tee. This may be the way I
used to cut the waste of space, but I will explain to you what car people that
know what there talking about use as abbreviations "sorry if I'm not a grammatical
genius lik you". LOL means laughing out loud, shiftronics is a shift system, eat
up has nothing to do with dinner and manuel trans (transmission). A foot clutch
is a pedal to the left of the brake you depress to kick out the (clutch plates) so
as not to hear a kind of grinding sound.Now the part of folks let it be known, all
these terms you use like proper spelling, capitalization, etc,etc, sounds like a
English teacher, so unlike you I will be a good guy and not insult you about your
post, I will give you respect regardless. Please answer me this the word "bloody"
you use, the only place I have seen this word in describing cars is after a bad
accident, if there is another connection please fill us in that souds very interesting.
As for as your last statement, you will need much more than a few moments to
clean your up. Also th B&M trans listed is a race car term, I wouldn't expect an
English teacher to know that, so thanks for your question!!
Any "CAR" lovers have any comments, please feel to add! Gary
This is one beautiful car. As others have noted, photos do not do it justice. In photos, the grille appears to be larger than it really is. It is more subdued on the actual car, and looks especially sharp with the pearl white. The 18" SE wheels make the car look like a concept. Not sure I'd want low profile tires like that on the pot-holed streets where I live, but they are great looking.
The interior is top-notch and IMO is the best in class. That is despite the dour all-black motif (the grey leather in the Limited looked better to me) and the fabric on the SE seat inserts, which to me looked cheap. But the dash and center console are beautifully rendered, and the controls had a nice feel, e.g. rubber grips on the HVAC controls. The wheel is really nice, with on-wheel trip computer buttons (at last!) along with audio, cruise, and Bluetooth. The driver's seat was comfy and the seat bottom seemed more adjustable than on the previous generation. The back seat was also comfortable, and with the driver's seat raised up a bit there was adequate toe space (might be tight for toes with a taller driver). Leg room in back is generous. HOWEVER, my hair brushed the headliner in back. I am 5'10", 32" inseam. So if you need to carry tall people in back, be sure to bring a test subject on the test drive.
Besides the lack of a V6 (not a problem for me but is for some), the only negative I found was the rear headroom. If I were in the market right now for a mid-sized sedan, the Sonata would be at the top of my list of those I've seen so far, although I'd take a good look at the Fulan also.
P.S. the sales rep I talked to said he has been told the hybrid will be out later this year, which is consistent with what's been reported in the press.
I'm still interested in finding out the performance difference between the GLS and SE. I would think there has to be noticeable difference, otherwise the only advantage of an SE would be visual improvements, fog lights and push button start.
Also the SE has the paddle shifters and the leather/cloth interior.
I think the Maxima and CC run a bit more than the new Sonata, I'll take close second in interior if it comes to that especially if rear headroom is better in the Sonata.
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The CC starts at $33k and thus is also in a different car class than the Sonata, which starts at just under $20k. for $13k+ more dollars, the CC should have a much nicer interior (and everything else) than the Sonata. I think the Sonata can give the CC a run for its money on interior though, albeit without some of the fancier trim pieces e.g. Sonata has plood, maybe CC has real wood trim.
Definitely the Sonata is far above the Camcordimas in interior refinement. And styling. And base engine power. And fuel economy. And warranty. And... etc.
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I personally probably wouldn't ever use paddle shifters and would have to see both interiors before deciding if I liked the leather/cloth in the SE better.
The national lease special I am seeing for the 2011 Sonata essentially breaks down to $278 per month.
But if the 2011 Sonata's ride and handling have improved to be competitive with the Fulan, the Sonata would be clearly #1 on my list due to its more impressive interior design, more power, a little better FE, standard Bluetooth, sharper exterior styling, and of course the warranty.
Stopped by a dealership yesterday and saw the GLS and Limited....didn't drive though. Interior blew me away compared to the previous rendition. Steering wheel especially nice and upgraded. No more controls hidden behind the wheel and classier looking. Dash is very nice as well and I would agree that it is best in class. I was also impressed with the shape and contour of the seats and equally impressed with the quality look of the fabric and stitching. Just no comparison to previous. Fit and finish was good as well. Very impressive automobile.
Happened to notice a 2010 Limited demo parked nearby and the leather on the driver's seat was wrinkled, dirty and generally kind of crappy looking. It actually looked to be in worse condition than my 7 yr old vehicle with leather and I don't baby it all that much.
Question: For those with leather in the previous Sonata, what's your opinion and has anybody had the chance to compare the two? I've never been that impressed with Hyundai leather seats but they do seem to be getting better looking but I'm concerned with the quality of the leather itself and how it would hold up over time.
I just went to my local dealer and test drove the new Sonata GLS w/AT and popular equipment package. Let me start by saying one word... WOW. I went there with high expectations and I was not disappointed. Although this is only the base model w/o Chrome grill and only 16 inch tires, it looked amazing!!
The trunk was cavernously large - almost on par with the 2010 Azera it seemed. The back seats had a good amount of legroom, depending largely on the position of the front seats. The cloth seats on the GLS model were comfortable in the front, a bit firm in the back but seemed to be decent quality. Headroom in the back was good, although probably less than the 2010. I am about 5'10'' and had about an inch of clearance, so if you planning to be carting people over 6'0'' tall you may want to let them ride in the front. That is the end of the negative things I have to say about this car.
The driver's and passenger's seats were beautiful. I cannot say enough about the front leg room with the seat pulled all the way back - I could barely reach the front!! The controls were intuitive and everything was controllable from the steering wheel, including my iPod that I brought with me. Although you can switch songs with the steering wheel controls, picking out a specific song might prove more difficult without using the iPod's wheel. The sound system was clear and sounded very nice for the base 6-speaker model. There are storage compartments everywhere, including a deep one under the center stack and little bins along the inside center area similar to the ones on the doors. I especially liked the new trip computer which displays real-time mileage, average speed, and all kinds of other useful information.
During the test drive, the ride was exquisitely smooth and refined and the cabin was quiet. The new 6-speed automatic shifted effortlessly and never once did it jolt, even at 5,000 rpms. The handling of this car, even on the base model, definitely made me feel much more connected to the road than the previous Sonatas or any of the other cars I have driven (09 Malibu, 08 Accord, 99 Buick Regal). The tiny turning circle was especially nice as I made a u-turn around a tight road - I never thought I would have been able to make it without doing a 3-pointer. I made a few quick turns during acceleration and the corning was excellent for a car in this class, although not necessarily sporty. You can feel the computers helping the car as it turns, although that is not always a bad thing and the steering response definitely gives the feeling that you are in control of the vehicle at all times. I asked the salesman if there was a way to turn the ESC off, which he wasn't sure, and I didn't see a button. Maybe this is something the guy with the connection in the Hyundai plant can ask about.
I had high expectations for the power in this car and let me say that it is excellent for a 4-cylinder. While 200 HP certainly doesn't make it a beast, the throttle is responsive and the car overall feels peppy. I didn't want to try and hit the redline since the car only had about 15 miles on it, but the power felt great even at 4000 rpms and was way above anything else in the class.
Another interesting thing I didn't know is that this car has a timing chain which does not need to be replaced- saving you about $1400 worth of maintenance costs in the first 120,000 miles alone. The dealer didn't seem to be willing to budge on the price much but the $500 loyalty rebate did apply, he told me. Overall I was extremely impressed with the looks and ride of this new Sonata, it is definitely worlds above the old model and anything else you are going to get for under $30K. As soon as the SE comes I will be purchasing it asap.
As far as prices paid....there is another thread in this forum strictly dealing with prices paid and the buying experience for all Sonatas and that is where most people look for that kind of info.
With that being said, the performance difference can be significant. I believe what you are worried about is summer tires like the kind that come on many RWD sports cars, which you definitely would not want to take out in the snow.
But I think 50% more money is definitely a different class of car... or it should be. If it's not, then that 2011 Sonata is a flaming bargain compared to the CC, isn't it?
As for leather... if it helps any, the leather on my 6-year-old low-bucks Elantra GT looks brand new, except for one scuff on the left side of the seat back bolster, driver's side. And I attribute that to the thousands of people who went in/out of the car while it was on the auto show circuit in late 2003/early 2004. And that leather is pretty low quality compared to what's in the Sonata, IMO.
Anyway, I do agree that most people consider them in different categories but I think it's a perception thing to some degree.
I don't know what happend to the leather in that '10 Sonata Limited Demo I saw but it kind of shocked me. Maybe it was a loaner to some of the mechanics or something and they were in and out with greasy pants all the time. Were you kidding about the "thousands of people" or serious? Do you do a lot prev maint. to keep your leather in such good condition in your Elantra?
Sonata goes from $19,195 to $28,115
When comparing price classes, you don't compare a fully loaded version of one to the base of the other. Technically a CC is priced closer to 45% more than a Sonata.
If someone can afford to spend 45% more than a base Sonata then they obviously could decide between a fully loaded sonata or a base CC.
Anyway, that's where he got 50% more (appeared to round up a little).
real nice guy's, I showed quite a bit of knowledge on the 2011 but more so the
2009/10 Sonata SE. We both own one and since the 09/10 are one in the same,
and the V6 was in very limited production for such a short time. We both said
about the same time, we were going to run the wheels off before we get rid of
them.
But back to the subject at hand, for the people that have not had the pleasure
to see one in person yet, just hold on. I told him IMO the only draw back for me
was the lack of the V6. An albeit the new roof line is very pretty, he is about 6' 2,
I told him to get in the backseat "but said nothing else. He got in and I said Bill
are you al right, he said no problem I just bumped my head. I told him "the second
reason. But also added how often was a basketball player going to ride in
some ones back seat. LOL. he said where do you get all this from. I just told
him, homework and Edmunds.
I actually liked the interior of the Mazda6 s Grand Touring better. That's a bit pricier, but also has a much more impressive power output.