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Ford Focus Hatchback ZX3 - Part XII

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  • uthemanutheman Member Posts: 18
    Silver bullet,

    How are the EBC green stuff pads doing?
  • domingos34domingos34 Member Posts: 27
    does tire inflation have anything to do with ride quality?whats the right PSI for the focus zx3?.thanks
  • zgrrrlzgrrrl Member Posts: 147
    It's time to get my tires rotated (actually late - oops) do I have to get it done at the Ford Dealership.....
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    The correct tire pressure is posted on a label on the inside of the passenger's door frame. It can vary depending on the model and tire size The Kona with 16" wheels is different then the standard ZX3 for instance.
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    I traditionally don't rotate my tires. Why? Good question.

    My feeling is I'd rather buy my tires two at a time then four at a time. Ok, I admit it, I'm cheap!

    When I replace the front tires, I have the new ones put in back, and the old, bearly worn rear tires moved to the front, so I do rotate them in some fashon. If I didn't do that, the rear tires would probably rot off before they finally wore out.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    EBC Kevlar pads have worked out very well. Totally silent, good braking response cold or hot, good solid pedal feel, and virtually no dust. After about two weeks of city driving, the front wheels still look freshly washed.

    Tire pressures have a tremendous effect on ride quality, fuel economy, handling and braking - not to mention tire life! I don't have strong feelings about rotation, but keep in mind FWD cars like ours are hard on front tires - they are doing the steering, driving, and most of the braking. The rears just kind of follow along for the ride. Zgrrrl - anyone with a floor jack and a jack stand or two can rotate your tires... even you :-)
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    I know I've posted this before, but I once again tried to recreate this mystery hesitation at 1800-2000 RPM. Nada.

    Now, that isn't to say that the car took of, 'cause it didn't. Fact is, there's no power (read torque) in this engine at 1800 RPM. The "hesitation" is really just lack of torque, I think.

    My question: What on earth are you all doing trying to accellerate at 1800 RPM? Do you realize how much gas this uses?

    Downshift for the love of Pete!
  • tognetertogneter Member Posts: 245
    So, a friend of mine and I are driving down the highway the other day, and we pass a Suzuki Esteem.

    All I could think was, "Man, that's one car you wouldn't want to lower..."



    Thank you, thank you...

    I'll be here all week...
  • zgrrrlzgrrrl Member Posts: 147
    silver bullet & all.....

    all right all right, we've been through this before (my favorite was zx3beast's headline "SB removes glass to clean" ) but regarding the DIY car care. Tire rotation is easy enough yes yes yes...I was just wondering though about warrenty paranoia. Should anything go wrong (what I don't know, yes I am a freak :) I don't want to be blamed for doing it improperly.

    I guess I wanted to know if I am laste with it or skip it or miss it will it harm the car in any way... I know its bad for the tires but just ---- making sure...

    Ok, no one else can EVER feel bad for asking a dumb question.......
  • run4liferun4life Member Posts: 9
    For what it is worth, I have about 5,000 miles on my ZX3 and after about 400 miles I took it on a trip out to New Mexico and Colorado (about 3500 miles)and got about 37 miles/gal. I have never received less than 33 and that is driving locally. Please note that I have never been interested in how fast I can catch up with the car in front, but rather simply strive to reach speed limits and stay there. I know this may sound a bit boring to most, but it has always worked for me. I would like to get 42 mpg as I do on my 1988 Omni which is still doing fine, but 37 mpg is OK with me. I am very happy with all aspects of the car and have no problems at all to report. A very happy camper!
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    tognether,
    hesitation occurs in a much wider range.
    It is the most noticeable at 2000-2500 rpm on a slight uphill.
    And no. I don't have to accelerate in order to reproduce it. Just a steady cruising in the 2nd or 3d gear or a very light acceleration.
    And It's noticeable at the high rpms too.(not as often as at the lower ones).
    How about full (yes fully open) throttle from 3k all the way to 6k rpm.
    It feels like the computer retards timing time to time for a slight second for a no particular reason.
  • pcleveland2pcleveland2 Member Posts: 516
    Miata23,
    Carl, You are correct, except that it is not nearby. I live on the reservation. Salamanca, NY is located almost entirely on the Allegany Indian Reservation, Seneca Nation of Indians. Surrounded by the State of New York. We "Non-Native Americans" lease the land (with permission of the U.S. Congress) from the Seneca Nation, but we also pay city, county, and New York State taxes on real estate and purchases from non-indian owned stores. No break except on gas and cigarettes and other purchases from Seneca Indian owned stores. They are tax exempt on anything they purchase in NYS, if they are registered members of the tribe. It's a very long story with a lot of history, both good and bad.

    Love my ZX3. It's the only one on the Rez.

    Pat
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Tire rotation is just like changing a tire - you just do it four times. Ford trusts you to be sharp enough to change a tire - it is even in the manual :) It won't hurt the car to neglect it, it just means you won't be trying to spread tire wear evenly around all four corners of the car. Some cars, like the Acura NSX, can't have their tires rotated. Believe it or not, the NSX comes equipped with tires that are designed for a particular corner of the car! When they wear, you replace them - and NSXs eat tires like mad.
  • zgrrrlzgrrrl Member Posts: 147
    is such a harsh word....

    can't we say something like..."respectfully apathetic"....

    ;)
  • zx3beastzx3beast Member Posts: 661
    i do the same.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    You can make a case for being "respectfully apathetic" about tire rotation. The front and rear tires have VERY different jobs to perform, and develop unique wear patterns rather quickly. When you move these wear patterned tires to different locations, it is normal to expect some vibration, noise, and changes in handling until the tires have a chance to "acclimate" to their new jobs. Many vehicle manufacturers and car owners don't think the extra tire life you gain is worth the downside, and don't recommend rotation. Do what's right for you.
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    pcleveland2 - We will be passing through Salamanca in a couple of weeks, on the way to Ohio. Watch for a zinc yellow ZX3. We often stop there for lunch - and of course gas.

    zx3beast - Nice to hear from a fellow cheap skate. Actually, I'm not sure if it's really cheaper in the long term, but in the short term it's a lot easier on the wallet.

    The only down side is in the winter. I like to have good tread up front then. I live on a nice hill, and driving home in a snow storm can be a challange.
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    Dear Fellow zx3 owners,

    I am convinced that I have a problem with my engine of my zx-3! I am very surprised since the zetec is not a new design.

    The tapping noise (or rattle) appears upon start up as of late. It seems to be getting worse which pleases me because it can be diagnosed easily. It goes tap tap tap. Engaging the clutch stops the tapping sound, but then after releasing the clutch it reappears. Sometimes when I step on the accelerator the tapping frequency can be increased. When the engine is warmed up the tapping sound is more intermittent, but sometimes it is very noticeable. The idle is just noisier than before, maybe even a little rough. It just doesn't feel smooth....it has lost its song. I have checked the oil level and it is fine.

    I also notice a raspy sound while just accelerating in first gear and then it clears up abruptly as the rpms build, it occurs in 2nd gear too, but last a much shorter time. It is a strange noise.

    My poor car is going into the shop next Thursday. I will keep all apprised of the situation. I am disappointed, but I won't try to speculate and condemn Ford. If it is a real problem and Ford fixes it courteously, I will be quite happy. From what I notice on these postings is that people are not experiencing this kind of problem. I still get 26-30 mpg.

    Other comments:

    I rotate my tires every 12,000 miles or so. I take it to the dealer or neighborhood shop to have it done.

    The car is cooled down now. I think I'll just start it up and tell you all what I hear. I'll post my answer in a minute or 2

    Stand By,

    ND
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    I started the car and as normal it went into idle at 1200 rpm or so and then as it slowly slowed to about 700 rpm the tapping became very loud. It can also be modulated by the accelerator pedal up to about 1000 rpm and then it fades away.

    I opened the hood and the noise appears to be coming right from the engine. (below the spark plugs---right where the engine name is!) I just hope this sound can be reproduced when the techs are present. I wish I had a tape recorder.

    I am disappointed, but this is what warranties are for, right?

    ND
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    ... noisy hydraulic tappets, or "lifters" in American-speak. They pump up with increasing oil pressure and should quiet down after a few minutes. If one or more of them are bleeding down (i.e., not holding enough oil to stay adjusted), the resulting tap-tap-tap can be quite loud. If this is your problem, the dealer should be able to diagnose it easily.
  • calico1calico1 Member Posts: 52
    Hi, gang -- It's Calico! I had a great road trip in the calicomobile up to Jersey and eastern PA. I even saw a twin malibu blue parked in Cape May in July. You should have seen the looks I was getting from all the poor souls in SUVs crossing the causeway to Long Beach Island! The ZX3 is still performing great, except of course for that hesitation problem (togneter-- I experience the hesitation when I'm on suburban streets going 45 mph, not so much when I'm busting down the highway at 75).

    Any of you own the silver ZX3 I saw on campus at Lehigh? I didn't have the calicomobile with me at the time, so waving furiously would have made no sense whatsoever. How about the white ZX3 with Connecticut plates I saw when I was in my calicomobile at Musikfest in Bethlehem? (If you are on this site, hello again)

    Just one "issue" with my little darling malibu blue: the windshield defroster. What is up with that? My defroster just doesn't seem to work very well. Granted, I am comparing it to my old Escort that apparently had the most efficient defrost in the world, but come on! Anyone else having this problem? What solution have you found?

    Pat, I didn't realize you lived on Salamanca. I'm Seneca (and Italian, and....), and I get up there so rarely.

    Take care, and it's good to be back!
    Calico1
  • jimmyfocuszx3jimmyfocuszx3 Member Posts: 65
    Well, I finally got that shake out of the new wheels/tires. They were shaking bad around 70-79 mph and went away around 80. It took two extra wheel balancings but I took it up to 81 and not shakes, which is good.
    If you want to personalize your ZX3 a little bit, I found the staff at my local NTB to be pretty good. No I don't work for them nor own any stock.
    I went to the Ford Dealership and since I have a good relationship with my salesman, he got me a copy of the Focus/Mustang/ZX2 m.y. 2001 booklet. It is kinda cheesy but not too bad. Not much in the way of performance options, but doesn't really need them either. I also spoke with some Service Manager Dude and he said no word on past or future Focus recalls for brakes or gas mileage. Make of that what you will.

    Jimmy =)
  • kdominczakkdominczak Member Posts: 174
    2002 Mondeo is looking great, it should replace our American Contour.
    It looks like Passat mixed with Focus, rear suspension will be like the one in Focus. Hopefully the price tag will be rather Fordish than Volkswagenish.
    $17k-$21k would sound like a good deal.
    Ford is making right selections as of late(exception of Firestone?)
  • sunnyzsunnyz Member Posts: 22
    I am very familiar with Salamanca, New York. I moved to Ohio six years ago from Olean which is not far down the road. Great place to stop for gas, smokes and play Bingo, if the desire strikes you!

    I have found it extremely difficult to meet people here in small town Ohio! However, I think I have found a great solution to this. In the past 2 days since I have had my Zinc ZX3, I have had more people stop and talk to me than in the past 6 years! I love driving this car so much that I'm not getting anything else done!

    Next week, I'm taking a trip and probably will go through Salamanca, I'll be looking for another zinc!
  • kostamojenkostamojen Member Posts: 55
    Ive been perplexing about what color I should get for my ZX3 whenever I get it... Ive totally decided that it WILL be my next car... between now and college graduation depending on when my current car gives out (its been dying at wierd times lately, mostly at stop signs, but not when ive been driving which is odd...). I might get the Focus-R/SVT/GT/whatever and whenever it comes out if its out by when im ready and is under 20k. (unless its stick only... sorry but I never had a chance to learn how)

    Anyway, It will be at 2001(or 2 depending) with the premium pack (want those wheels/tires!), power, auto, abs... maybe moonroof if they are any good when i see them. I absolutly dont care about MPG, just how well a car handles and feels, and we all know the focus handles better than any car under 20k (ive driven them all too).
    Im tied up though on colors... I really like the Zinc/Egg yoke... but its too flashy, and im a DRIVER not a motorist, but have never gotten pulled over yet (probably cause im not driving anything flashy... and i drive the same speed they do hehe). Green is out, Im not a Red fan, the malibu blue is too corny for me, and the White doesnt work on this car for some reason... So im thinking either black, twilight blue, or silver... right now Tw blue is on top of my mind.

    Quick Questions:
    Do H+R springs void the warranty, even if the dealer installs them (if they can)?
    Does painting the plastic parts on the car void the warranty?
    If not, then I was thinking of taking the plastic side striping and plastic peice above the rear license plate and painting them the zinc yellow, and painting the bottom edging twilight blue to match. What about painting the blue in the ford embulems on the front and back yellow? Maybe a yellow license plate frame in front to match... and dont forget the springs (can i get them in yellow?)
    This way I can get the yellow, but not get to flashy. Plus Im an art+design major (concintration multimedia) and i know how good yellow accents blues, especially dark blues. What do you guys think, if you can picture it?
    The painting and springs should stay under $500 wouldnt you say?

    BTW, what about some ground effects to replace the plastic instead of paint... I like the Wings West front and back (good price too) but the side is iffy...
    Just saw this though:
    http://www.seanhylandmotorsport.com/
    Click on the big "FOCUS" sign in the middle to see the focus RS body kit (replaces the bumpers and the side gfx are nice and simple, but ellegant)
  • jwkessler1jwkessler1 Member Posts: 99
    Blue and yellow - the colors of New York State. All the highway dept equipment is in that scheme. And my old High School colors were blue and gold - yellow really.

    Also the Deleware and Hudson painted their locomotives in a quite striking blue and yellow scheme, called the "Lightning Stripe" scheme. See a rather dark example here...

    http://www.crisny.org/not-for-profit/railroad/train1a.jpg

    Although it works well on big industrial type settings, I think it could be a bit much on the Focus unless it was done very carefully.

    As the owner of a zinc yellow, I've been considering some sort of subtle, tasteful color accents. I was looking at red, but blue on yellow might work. I'm still trying to figure out what to do.
  • minizx3minizx3 Member Posts: 32
    I filled up yesterday and I have to say I'm still pretty impressed with the mileage I'm getting. This time I got 35 mpg. 70% highway, 30% city. I've gotten as high as 41 on all highway. I have an auto trans. and 4,035 miles since Late March. I do go around 75-80 on the GSP on the way to work. I've onlt had two small problems, the gas gauge phenomenon and ticking near rear driver side seat, which is now gone.

    Have a good week-end all, drive safely!!!!
  • gabegarwickgabegarwick Member Posts: 127
    Very noteworthy advice from silver bullet!

    After all, the tires are all that is holding our cars off of the pavement. :)

    Review:
    1. Own an accurate tire pressure gauge
    2. Check tire pressure every 1-2 weeks.
    (be a good idea while you're doing this to inspect the sidewalls for gouges, splits, etc.)


    Personally, I run my stock focus tires at 40 psi.
    :) Want to gues why?
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Gabe, 40 psi would be about right for autocrossing, but it seems way high for street use - unless you are driving at extremely high speeds, or carrying heavy loads. If either is the case, you should consider other tires - the stock RS-As aren't really that well suited to prolonged high speeds (they have a "T" speed rating, and a UTOQ "B" temperature rating).
  • konagrlkonagrl Member Posts: 19
    Hey, SB, I saw in one of your posts a couple of pages ago that with the new brake pads your front wheels keep looking freshly washed (something like that anyway). My question is, on my Kona focus I have noticed a large amount of blackish ?dust? on my front wheels. It only takes a day or two after I clean them to start accumulating again. Is this related to the brake pads? Does it indicate a problem? I will be gone for the holiday weekend so won't get a chance to check back for a while, but I would really appreciate any advice.

    Ok, here is a question for all you focus lovers.. I am getting ready to tag my car and am soliciting ideas for what would be good as a custom license plate. It can have 7 letters... Please give me your best ideas, since I live in Oklahoma and most of you seem to be yankees (no offense or political intent) there shouldn't be someone who has the same thing in my state already.

    Thanks all! : )
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    The black material is from your the pads from your brakes. It is normal and you have nothing to worry about.

    Drive safely and try not to speed. There are a lot of drivers out there.

    Tag suggestion: NCC1701

    ND
  • reed122reed122 Member Posts: 20
    yes, the black stuff on the wheels is brake dust.
    the reason it's so noticeable on the front is because they are disc brakes. the rears are drums, otherwise you'd notice the dust on them too. and it is perfectly normal. Just sort of an odd design. It is one one of the small things I don't like about the car.
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    norwaydoug,
    you wrote:
    "Engaging the clutch stops the
    tapping sound, but then after releasing the clutch
    it reappears."
    Would you please clear it up for me.
    I wonder about the nature of your noise.
    In my case (could be a completely different problem) the noise goes away when I disengage the clutch(press down the clutch pedal). The sound reappears upon engaging(releasing the clutch pedal).
    silver bullet,
    If the source of the noise is the dry lifter, why it(noise) is affected by the clutch action?
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    Konagrl, the brake dust on your front wheels is normal - for the type of pads Ford uses. Replace these dusty pads with something better (like the EBC Kevlar pads), and the problem goes away. Brake dust left on painted alloys too long will damage the finish, so make sure to wash the wheels frequently.

    Vadp - I can't explain the tapping sound diminishing with clutch action. Noisy lifters would not be affected by depressing and releasing the clutch pedal.
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    Where I come from:

    Engaged clutch: When your foot depresses the clutch pedal
    Disengaged clutch: clutch pedal is untouched

    I am very curious of why our terms are opposite. Who is right, I wonder? Geographical differences?

    Therefore, the tapping noise occurs while I am not pressing on any pedal. When I press on the clutch pedal fully the noise disappears.

    This leads me to think that the tapping noise is caused when there is a load on the engine. I do not think it is transmission related as you believe in your case.

    I do think we have the same problem. I have a feeling it may have to do with a pulley that is tensed by hydraulicly by oil pressure of the engine. If the pulley is defective or oil pressure is low then this will affect the valve train. Pressing the clutch pedal down removes stress on the engine allowing the weak pulley to just be able to do its job and the noise disappears. Hey, I am no mechanic. That is my theory and it is just a guess. I will not present my theory to the mechanic.

    It is very noticeable now. I can drive for 10 minutes and allow the car to idle and when the rpms reduce to 500-700 the tapping appears as well as a noisier idle. It used to be so quiet. A colleague heard my engine this morning and said, 'I don't know what's wrong with your engine, but something is....'

    I am taking it in on Thursday and I will report their findings (if any)

    ND
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    O.K. norwaydoug - we are talking about the same thing, despite our geographical-cultural-social differences ;)
    We have the exact same symptoms, so I assume the problems are matching too.
    On my first visit to the dealer the noise hasn't been diagnosed.
    I wish you luck. Because this noise spoiles my whole experience with the Z. We need to bring it to Ford's attention.
    Believe it or not I developed some kind of a reflex. Being surrounded by cars or people while my engine running (red light or a parking lot) I keep pushing the clutch pedal, even if I don't need to, just to keep the idle noise away. It's very embarrasing to be seen in a brand new car idling like a tractor.
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    Vadpy,

    Does the dealer recognize that this is an unacceptable noise? Were you able to reproduce it for them? I personally will not accept that this is not a problem. I will pursue it in my usual pleasant, but firm manner if I encounter a problem.

    Sure, it ruins the Focus Experience for me too. Still I won't bow down and push my clutch in to avoid a noise. I will get it fixed and I would advise you to do the same. Don't be embarassed.

    I'll keep you updated. Maybe you should go see another dealer. My car makes quite a racket especially when it is cold. I intend to leave the car overnight at the dealer and allow them to start it up while it is cold and experience the tapping symphony for themselves.

    ND
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    Please resolve our "dispute".

    My version:

    Pressing the clutch pedal - disengaging the clutch
    Releasing the clutch pedal - engaging the clutch
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    Yes, I was thinking about seeing another dealer.
    The whole deal about the firestone tire replacement discouraged me to do it right away.
    (now they're talking about expanding the recall)
    But I always kept it in mind. And now will just wait for the results of your experience.
    And if you're succesfull, man will I unload on them my frustration.
    During my previous visitation I wasn't pushing at all.
    And yes it's more louder first thing in the morning.
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    Did they admit?
    No. They just used their usual "it's normal".
    Can you imagine my frustration?
    But I kept it quiet. Was sure that sooner or later somebody with the same problem will try to fix it too.
  • silver_bulletsilver_bullet Member Posts: 1,339
    I think it is a matter of semantics. Folks routinely confuse the terms for engaging the clutch and engaging the driveline; better just to say "depress the clutch pedal" and "release the clutch pedal"...
  • vadpvadp Member Posts: 1,025
    Wanna see the Focus in action at the World Rally Championship?
    Tune to the Speedvision channel on September 4
    5:30pm pacific / 8:30pm eastern

    Happy Holidays everybody!
  • kkankkan Member Posts: 18
    taken from the Focajet bb:


    Pop the hood on your Focus. Notice that there is a black plastic
    shield right over the top of your radiator.This is there to control
    how incoming air will flow thru your radiator. To the right of it ,
    you can see the stock airbox inlet tube that carries cool air to the
    fuel injection. Remove this black panel, and cut away the right
    section that would be directly in front of this inlet funnel.
    Re-attach the remaining panel back onto it's original mounting
    position. What you have done is to form a crude "air tunnel" from the
    front of the grill to your air inlet.
    Things to consider: If you live in a rainy location, you need to
    think about avoiding getting water going into the intake. The little
    "hump" on the topside of the plastic panel is designed to deflect any
    water drops from entering it. It was also mentioned that modifying
    this panel causes less air to be forced thru the radiator, which could
    present a heating problem for the engine.
    However, I have run my ZTS for two weeks with this panel completely
    removed, and have not seen the temp gauge change *at all*, even thru a
    recent hot spell we have had in Southern Cal.And I usually drive the
    car pretty hard.
    I plan on ordering another one of these panels to keep stock, and then
    do the cutout routine as above.So I can switch it out back to stock if
    I want to. Also plan on getting a K&N filtercharger to drop in the
    stock airbox, which will further lower air restriction, and adding
    some anti-freeze "water-wetter" to the coolant to increase it's heat
    transfer properties a little more.

    a tweak for those on a budget. heck..it beats $300 "superchips" and
    $600 headlamps.Well..it's cheaper than those, anyways.....=)
  • frankjayfrankjay Member Posts: 11
    Your throwout bearing is bad. Your noise is a classic description of this problem, which is common with new Fords. Either that, or your clutch cover may have a few loose bolts that weren't tightened properly on the assembly line.

    With the transmission in nuetral there is (relatively) no additional load compared to when you clutch is pushed in.
  • njzx3njzx3 Member Posts: 170
    well... New Jersey definately sux for this... I pass by other Z owners and honk, wave, smile... whatever... and so far all ive got in return is a finger and a big FU... Where are all the people who love their focus like I do??!!

    NJ
  • kkankkan Member Posts: 18
    This site has some interesting Focus, pics

    http://www.automedia-online.com/e_spion.htm

    Worth a look.
  • kkankkan Member Posts: 18
    I wish this SVE v6 was available now, but they say good things come to those who wait.

    http://www.svtexperience.com/
  • kdominczakkdominczak Member Posts: 174
    Cool link, got to love v-6 Focus(hatchback!).
    But i'm a bit disappointed with only 169 hp from that 2.5 v-6 engine. Also 7.1sec. from 0-60 is a bit disappointing as well.
    Svt should squeeze at least 200 hp from that motor, and get around 6 to 6.5 sec. from 0-60.
    Love the tires, though.
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    Thanks for the tip. So it might be the old throw out bearing. Well the name implies what I would like to do with it(!!) .... that's for sure.

    I just would like to encourage VADP to get happy about his focus again. I would definitely recommend for him to talk to the service manager. He is an unhappy customer. That is why he should go and see someone at his dealership so that his satisfaction with his very nice car can be 100%. Why should he be unhappy with a car that has less than 10,000 miles on it? Writing a letter to the dealer is a good idea too. Make your voice be heard vadp! Please!!!

    Remember Ford is very concerned for their customer. I believe it. It just that you have to talk to the right people. If you believe...they will believe...and positive things happen! Nothing happens if you give up. Never give up. Never.

    ND
  • norwaydougnorwaydoug Member Posts: 249
    I just re-read your notes. Please do not unload your frustration out on your dealer. That will not be helpful to resolve your issue. It will just make them mad and you feel better.

    What you want is a zx-3 that meets your satisfaction. Approach what is best for your car. Talk to them professionally and firmly. Anger is very detrimental.

    If they respond poorly to you, then it is best to ignore them and talk to the manager of the dealer. Stay calm.

    OK?

    ND
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