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Subaru Legacy/Outback



  • kenskens Posts: 5,869

    i-club is the North American Subaru Impreza Owner's Club:

    While the majority of members own Imprezas, there are separate Legacy and Forester forums. There's lots of technical information available there (and a more robust search engine to find that information). I often frequent i-club in addition to Edmund's.

  • zman3zman3 Posts: 857
    Thanks Ken. I can always use yet another site for info.

  • sebberrysebberry Posts: 148
    Looking through the brochure for the 2003 Outback, There was a picture caption that read "Leather seating surfaces" but listed "Leather Trimmed Upholstery" in the specifications.

    Could somebody please tell me if the seating surface is real leather or an immitation. I am looking at the Outback Limited, which comes with leather, but I am worried about breathability in the summer.

    Thanks for your help
  • dcabdcab Posts: 101
    "Leather seating surface" means that the seats are "trimmed" with leather. The part of the seat that you actually sit on is genuine leather, the rest of the seat isn't. As far as I know, this is a common industry practice, except in high-end cars.
  • cptpltcptplt Posts: 1,075
    this has been thrashed over numerous times, some people say its a waste of $$, others who keep their car a long time think its worth it. I lost money on one on a 92 Legacy and I have broken even already on my 98. On my wifes Chevy van I 'll be way ahead the way things are going (if we don't dump the POS). I am a firm believer in them if you plan on keeping them for a long time.
    Only thing I would say is get a good price, I wouldn't settle for less than a 1/3 off the "list" price. Also IMHO a manufacturers warranty is less hassle though you are then limited to a dealership for repairs. If you can't get a good deal at your dealer go to
  • Today I received that letter from Subaru about the recall on that tranny pin.

    I set the parking brake always.

    I don't have the time to let the dealer have the vehicle for the whole day to fix this. I gotta get to/from work so I can make the car payments. What a hassle!

    I will forget the recall and just make sure to set the parking brake.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,059
    I'm sure cptplt meant Pretty Old Subaru! :-)

    tidester, host
  • lucien2lucien2 Posts: 2,984
    My GT and OB both have 1 ridge. My friend's earlier build-date OB has the dreaded 2 ridges. So far, this is the most reliable method of ID. We have ongoing discussions about this at in the Legacy forum; I think we've all decided this is the easiest way to tell so far.
  • cptpltcptplt Posts: 1,075
    Chevrolet, building a better way to see the USA - Parked, Overheated and Stuck!!
    Hehe, be on best behaviour from now on!
  • I live in Canada, can anyone tell me where, online, I can find invoice prices, holdbacks etc on Subaru, and other brands. The only places I've found all want $20.00 for info on two cars. (ripoff!) Edmunds doesn't accept our postal codes.
    I want to know as exactly as possible before I go in there.
  • I noticed after driving home on Thanksgiving weekend, 150 miles in a snow storm, that the brakes appeared to freeze when ever I stopped. (Outback Base) I noticed this the last 20 miles or so. After being stopped at a light, I would hear a "pop" as I started driving, and it felt like the brakes released, and that the calipers or whatever had been frozen. On a slight down incline, I also noticed that the car didn't move when in neutral. My car wasn't affected by the Master Cylinder recall which could freeze on in freezing temps. Is this common in snow country?
  • steverstever Posts: 52,572
    This subject comes up now and then, and I've yet to hear of a source for "free" prices in Canada like Edmunds and Kelley, et. al. do in the States. Used to be just one place you could buy invoice prices up there, so at least you have a choice of where to spend your money!

    If you (or anyone) finds any place to get Canadian invoice prices, please yell.

    Steve, Host
  • mrk610mrk610 Posts: 378
    Just a little fyi I have a 02 obw with 18k miles on it . It was diagnoised with piston slap at 7k miles . My DSR says that subaru has done a lot of testing ,and that they have found out that it has no effect onthe engine . He said that they only replace the short block if the noise is present at all times . There have been some others on here that have had the timing belt tensioner replaced and that cured the problem . I have my fingers crossed hoping mine will be fine .

    Mike k
  • nygregnygreg Posts: 1,936
    Off last week and didn't get a chance to check in. We got about 4" of snow. Unfortunately, the roads are still relatively warm and by the time my wife left in the OB, it wasn't much of a challenge (roads were clear). Therefore, I can't give you an honest opinion on the Sport A2s. Consumers recently rated them highly (with good snow performance). Even so, this is my first AWD so I don't know what to expect and how to compare the tires. Very little snow last year with Firestones on.

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    On those brakes, I'd have them serviced. I bet the pistons are siezing. They should use a specific type of grease to lube the pistons before putting the caliper back together. Bleed the brakes while you're at it.

    Congrats, Sam, and welcome.

    Honda/Acura had at least 24,000 trannies fail, but they did finally fess up and agreed to pay for those. I hope you were reimbursed, if not look into it further.

    Should you get Subaru Gold? To me, it was worth it. I got a 7/100 B2B warranty with 0 deductible. That includes roadside assistance for 7 years (saved me $497 in AAA fees). It also includes a loaner for any repairs, and you pretty much get red carpet treatment from any dealer. Top all that off with better resale if a little warranty is left over, and it's worth it to me. If I make zero claims, I still might break even.

  • Some ins. companies have roadside assist that can be added VERY inexpensively to your ins. We pay $12 yr per car (thru USAA) If we breakdown, have a flat, or need to be towed. no deductible on it. We have used it once or twice. Once I had to deal w the consequences the day after as my husband was heading to the airport and knew where I wanted the car prob w that so I paid the bill and was reimbursed in very short time. no waiting for the tow.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like a good alternative, much cheaper than AAA.

  • dudedude Posts: 123
    cptplt, I'd definatelly consider it. One of the reasons for that is now days there are so many electronics in cars, they can pretty much break any moment. And while your powertrain can still be functional, you'll probably shell out hundreds if not thousands of dollars for non-mechanical breakdown.
  • Thank you all for your valuable advice. I am enjoying my Leagacy LS very much. It is more fun to drive than the 260 hp Acura. Steering touque is a big issue with FW drive. My ins dropped and no longer need 93 gas. What do I need to do to keep the car over 200k miles other than reg maintenance schedule. I just can't offered more cars going forward.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Stick to the more strict maintenance schedule. The 60k and 90k services are key.

  • Cdndriver - may be of some help to you.
  • Hi,
    thanks for the tip, I'll check it out. Well, I drove a Subie today. I drove a brand new 2002 Outback sedan, h6 w/ vdc. I had lots of fun in the parking lots doing tight turns, hitting the brakes hard, and zipping on the expressway. The Mc stereo was crackling alot, and the heater fan was really noisy even on low, otherwise a very nice impressive car. I couldn't drive the GT which is more what I was looking for, but the guy was eager to deal on teh H6. Around 38, plus there would be an incentive too. But the problem was that my head kept hitting the ceiling, even with the seat on it's lowest setting and forget about the back seat, I can't sit up straight at all. The hair on the ceiling was starting to bug me after awhile, because it's very cold here right now (-17C) the static built up and my hair (what is left of it) was sticking straight up. (I must have looked silly coming back in from the drive with my hair straight up ;-) Anyway, I may have to pass on it because of this height thing. Otherwise, I'm very impressed withthe car.
    Last night I drove a VW Passat 4mo. I wanted the vr6, but they just had the W8. Wow! what a car. As the otherguys say: Zoom Zoom Zoom.
    I swung past the Saab dealer ship to have a look. they said because they also sell Satrun that there's no dickering on the price. The sales room was empty...but they wouldn't even consider it. Looks like I'm going to go used. The vw guy was really pressuring me to lease a new one, rather than get a used Vr6. But I'm not sure a bout a lease. Anyway. I'm impressed by the Subie, I'm just too tall.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I guess you don't want the H4 Outback? Without a moonroof, headroom is generous.

    Look at a Forester, also. Even with the moonroof headroom is amazing. I can wear a hat and still have space. A turbo arrives in June.

    Think about it, 200hp in a light, nimble Soob, huge moonroof, loaded up nicely for far less than a 4Mo.

  • ladywclassladywclass Posts: 1,713
    It was 0 here this morning .. warmed all the way up to 21 .... (better than yesterday)
  • sebberrysebberry Posts: 148
    I'm curious as to how tall you are. I have ordered a 2003 Outback and the first time I tried it, my hair brushed the ceiling and I was about to look elsewhere.

    I saw a brochure on the internet and there was an advertised seat tilt feature, which I did not notice when I looked at it the first time.

    Try the tilt feature (on the power seats) and slip the seatback back one notch.

    To use the tilt switch, slightly rock the seat height and forward/back control. That will lower the back of the seat cushion and give you a little more room.

    Let me know how that goes
  • mrk610mrk610 Posts: 378
    I was at my inlaws house over the holiday. While my aunt was backing out of her double wide drive way she hit my outback. pass side front fender,both front and back doors scratched and long cuts int the lower cladding . Her car slight scratches ,she drives 94 lincoln town car .Guess I'll have to take a trip to the auto body shop when I get home . Hope everybody else had a happy and safe holiday.

    Mike k
  • I am 6'4" and 230lbs. and drive a 03 Beaner Wagon (with moonroofs). I have the seat slightly tilted back; have about half inch of head room (I don't have much of a hairdo). The Forester has more headroom, but I found the clearance from the side of the door frame near my head too close.
  • Hi everyone,
    Thanks for your ideas. I may go have another look. I'd thought of the forrester, but I don't like it as much. I wasn't able to try the Legacy Special Edition, which is what I was thinking of in the first place. It doesn't come with a moonroof like in the States. I don't know why, it's about the same amount of money. I was just hoping for a moonroof. (my little girl is intrigued by them, too) The Legacy GT which I tried,was way to small in the back seat. I don't know how anyone over 5'6" can get in there and be comfortable for any length of time. So many nice cars to choose's hard to decide. I will go have another look.
    Oh, as for the turbo, we won't be getting one here for awhile. The salesman I spoke with is Russian and said that in Europe, they have turbos on the outback and others. If you watch the video on VDC, (which is pretty neat!) You can see a little scoop, like the previous body style on the hood, especially in the British vehicle. Also he said there is a limited porduction there called the "Blitzen" which is a twin turbo version. Now that would be fun to see here!
  • lucien2lucien2 Posts: 2,984
    Turbo Forester will be here in the states pretty soon. Juice? (I think 2004 as a 2005 MY). Don't hold your breath for something quite as entertaining as Blitzen, but some sort of B4-ish Legacy will bow in North America for the 2005 model year.
  • nygregnygreg Posts: 1,936
    Now lets not get started again. My mouth is starting to water!

    Mike - sorry to hear about your little mishap. Should be good as new when fixed.

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