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Dealers will see 70/100/200+ people a week depending on the store, thats 300/800 folks a month ~ the unfortunate thing is, most are not as nice as the good people here on these boards ..
Most owe a whole lot more than the value of their trade (but won't admit it) some have some questionable credit (but they won't discuss it) .. most will have little or no money down (but they want to keep their payments the same) and are looking at a $35,000+ vehicle, plus you have the "enthusiast" driver that reads every car mag on the planet and takes a day-off to drive 7/8 vehicles (even though he won't be buying one until 2008) .. then, some will gather a little information from Edmunds, some will use a little info from Cars r us, Cars R U, then whatever fits "their" needs the most is what fits into the soup, whether it true or not .l.o.l. .. and lets not forget the buyers that drive 50/150 miles to save $50 and want to tell the sales staff how their product is "distressed" and they need to give it away and lose $2,000 ~ and he wants to drive 5 cars and then come back after he thinks about .l.o.l..
I'm not agreeing with your experience and I didn't say it was fair .. the point is, if you had a bad experience (Foreign or Domestic) this is one of the major reasons why.! these are the people "you" are competing with on a daily basis.. you see them for 2 hours once every 4 years, dealers see them everyday, so they Do get a little jaded .. and salesman, SM's, GM's, owners have to be able to "dissect" the good from the "not so good" ..... I didn't say you have to agree with it, but perhaps you might understand it better ..
Me personally, I'm a major advocate of demo's, plus over nighters (waaay before GM .l.o.l.) and even weekend drivers for specialty vehicles, but I'm going to know a whole bunch more than a handshake and a grin when it's My insurance and My vehicle ... the best thing you can do is call the SM, explain your need to demo the 3 types before you buy and go from there .. I always appreciated a customer that appreciated my investment and bent over backwards for them .........................
Terry.
BTW...as much as noone likes doc/admin fees, they are not bogus. as long as it is disclosed, there is no weird stuff being pulled on you.
I don't know if that's an industry standard or not.
If you check around, you might find another dealer that charges $100 more for the car but has a Doc fee of only $10, which would save you $15. Buy the car there. That amount of savings would buy a magnificent feast at McDonalds.
To make it simple, most of us include the Doc fee when we make an offer.
having said that, if you drive alot, say over 25k per year, the extra couple thousand miles doesnt mean much either.
i only drive 10k miles a year, so 4k-5k miles means ALOT...alot more than $500.
Bowke is certainly right, though - there's not many scenarios where a demo makes sense - if you can get the same vehicle with no miles on it, you're better off in many ways.
If I were to put a down payement of 1/4 the cost of the vehicle could I get financing?
I have been in contact with several internet people from different stores would this be rude or just good business as far as getting the best price. I am not stringing them along and advised up front that i am not serious yet.
if you cant prove income, its very tough.
if you spoke to the salesperson first, stick with them.
If you have done this, or someone you know has, and would be willing to speak with the reporter, please e-mail pkrebs@edmunds.com by 5 pm PT today. Thanks!
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I have told my relative to relax and see if it comes in tomorrow. They are upset that the car is already two days late. My question about this situation is that is this normal? It seems awfully long to get a car from the next state over. . .I assume this has happened before to other people. . . should my relatives ask for something to ease their minds or something like a free oil change thrown in. . . ?
Is there some type of goodwill that the dealer could offer?
They are getting frustrated and I told them not to do anything until I get back to them.
All thoughts and advice are greatly appreciated.
Dillydill
I think it's not enough of a big deal to be asking the dealer for freebies. Now, if the car was a month late and they never got back to you, then...of course, by then you'd have gone somewhere else anyway.
I ship vehicles all over the country and "most" of the time the dealer has little or no control over the time span, especially if it's a one unit drop .. the driver will probably drop the closet first and sometimes they might run 30/60/90 minutes late and the last store might close early and they missed the drop time, that means they hafta stay overnight, which kicks the whole deal sideways for the next one or two drops ....... relax.! .. usually the closest distance takes the longest time, if you look over at page 44 of the book "Aggravation" it explains it all ..........................
Terry.
At the current time, there are delays in receiving nearly any shipment from the far east. A lot of the delays have to do with the shortage of cargo ships with the improvement in the economy. Also, there are a lot of delays at some of the busiest ports, especially those in Southern California. Add on to that, the delays in the western railroads.
For others out there, if you positively absolutely must have a vehicle by a particular date, please order one that is in stock.
Got home on the Monday of a Thanksgiving weekend to find a message from the driver, left Sunday afternoon, saying he was just about to our town and wanting to tee up delivery. Then later that same Monday night at 11 pm, got a call from the driver that he was a province over and that he had dropped off the car in the parking lot of a local hotel and given the keys to the front desk. He then suggested that we should get over to the hotel as soon as possible to pick the car up so that the hotel would not be inconvenienced.
Yeeesh.
robr2 . . I believe they said it was white. . .
I passed along all of the info and I will keep you posted
Dillydill
Good for them for not showing you the invoice... it's really none of your business how much money they make on a car.
OTOH, you can let your finger do the walking and go over to the "new car" side of edmunds and I guarantee you can price out the exact car you're looking at to the nearest $50 in <5 minutes. That's what Edmund has been doing for decades.
You have to realize that "Rav 4 L pkg without leather" isn't something anyone here can give you a price on, that's a little imprecise. year/options/transmission play a small role, too :-)
More importantly, having figured out invoice, figure out what the incentives are, if any, and THEN you'll have to check around -- Town Hall is good for THAT -- how much over invoice-incentives you should have to pay.
Rav4's are not distressed merchandise; they'll want to make a little money on these, nothing wrong with that.
-Mathias
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He thought the car would be totaled, but the adjuster said all he can allow for the damage is about $10K to cover the cost of repairs.
The resale value of the Cruiser is sure to suffer even if the repair "looks like new." I know I have seen this discussion elsewhere, but I can't remember where or when. Should my friend demand something extra from the insurance company for diminished resale value? Can he do that?
To the insurance co., it is just a claim. The adjuster thought that the claim was worth $7500, so why not fix the car? There is no emotion to it. And sometimes the body shop misses something.
Three years ago, my wife totalled a 1974 Ford Pinto with 24k miles owned by an elderly German engineer. Appraised value of $4200 per her company's guide. She cut the check, no problem.
Dillydill
They should be keeping in touch with you about any delays but apparently they are not. Bad dealer.
Mark
I don't want someone bugging me every day if there is a delay.
A lot less stress and my customers are happier.
Turboshadow
I agree that if I had poor credit, no one would ever know (that I could keep it from), but it's also possible that it was a sales tactic (just a way to get you on there side, or some other psychological ploy).
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ive noticed that LOTS of salespeople have bad credit, but it tends to get better as they stay in the business longer, mine included.
after 5 years in the business, a bad month isnt as bad as it used to be. my bad months these days still pay the bills.
some people may let you know to give you a sense of superiority (lets face it, we all have egos), but as a salesperson, i dont want you superior to me, i want us on equal ground.
Seriously though, a question:
Does having a car detailed just before trade-in have any real impact on the offer of the dealer (more so that a thorough car wash and vacuum)?
BTW...i dont know anyone here, and noone knows me...thats the beauty of anonymity...lol.
regards,
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The pilot was purchased by a relative who asked my opinion so in turn I asked the opinions of the dealers and members here. . . my relative is the one driving me crazy. . .lol
bowke,
I am trying to help reduce their stress . . they know that if it was shipped UPS then it would have been here the next business day. . .lol. . .as it stands it has been 4 days late and they are just stressed buyers that put down a big chunk of the purchase price down and have no vehicle to show for it. . I would expect a quick call to say ,"I haven't forgotten about you. . I don't have any updates". . once a day until the customer gets their car that's late. . doesn't seem like much effort to make a 2 minute phone call.
isell,
I totally agree . . .too bad they don't live near you. . .
I'll give another update once the cars is delivered . . .but I wanted to thank everyone for their opinions. . what a great place this town hall is. . .
Dillydill
hmmm, whats the word for this: an oxymoron .l.o.l... just kidding, it's the "way" you wrote it ..................
Terry.
Terry.
kyfdx...someone with a little knowledge about the area here can figure it out, but the average joe scrolling posts doesnt really care to pursue it.
i meant that i wouldnt go around bragging about having bad credit to a customer.
on occasion, however, i WILL empathize with a person trying to rebuild it..."sir, ive been in your position before, and this is how i corrected it..."