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Pontiac Grand Prix - 2000-2005



  • snaabsnaab Posts: 72
    plase use this link rather than the other one i gave. this one has more pics. someone wanted pics of the seats so i will try to take a few pics of them soon. take it easy.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I know production is well under way, but I didn't realize the cars had hit the dealers yet. I will have to check and see if the local Pontiac dealer has any.

    Great pictures by the way!
  • snaabsnaab Posts: 72
    cars are NOT in dealers yet. im guessing another 2-3 weeks before that happens. my fathers car is a test vehicle that upper level GM employees get. THe purpose is to evaluate the car before it gets to the dealer lots to see if there are any last problems. They always do this when cars are redesigned or facelifted.
  • snaabsnaab Posts: 72
    i posted up more pics. someone wanted pics of the cloth seats i believe. cant really think of any more pics to take but let me know if anyone wants to see anything.
  • richm4richm4 Posts: 169
    Thanks for posting all those pictures -- they really run the gamut.

    Those multi-colored cloth inserts on the seats looks kind of tacky. If I order one, I'll probably get the leather even though it's not as comfortable to me in the extreme weather.

    The local dealers keep saying "they'll be arriving next week" for a few weeks now. I'm getting antsy for a new car, I'm also considering the Accord. The Accord is a nice car, especially it's interior, but I hate to not take advantage of my GM Card rebate points and GMS pricing I can get.

    Since your dad works for GM, do you know if dealers will be doing the GMO or GMS pricing right away?
  • richm4richm4 Posts: 169
    Snaab, would you mind posting a picture of the way the dash looks at night? I have a 98 GP and am curious as to how it campares to the current design.

  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Ah, I see. I drove by the local lot today and they had none yet. I live about an hour from the plant so I'm hoping we will see some GPs early.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Saw the 04 GP review in the new Car and Driver. They were quite positive on the car and it's handling! Check it out when you are at the corner store next time.
  • snaabsnaab Posts: 72
    i dont remember which board it was in, but someone wanted to see pics of the GP guages at night. i tried takin some right now... but its kinda hard without using the flash becuase the shutter stays open longer making the shot very sensitive to movement. hope that made sense. thats why they are blury.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    Stopped off at the local dealer the other night just to see if they might have any of the new GPs in. They didn't, in fact they didn't have much in the way of Pontiacs in stock unless you want a Sunfire or Grand Am. They had 2 current GPs and 3 Bonnevilles. One of the Bonnevilles was a fully loaded 2002 SSEi. That one got my interest a bit because I've always liked the SSEi(and this one was black with chrome wheels) and I began wondering what kind of discounts this car would have. Being as the 03s have been on sale for nearly half a year now, I'm sure they are bound to be wanting to move this thing off their lot.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Thanks for the link! I think the "American BMW" idea is far fetched, but it sounds like the new GP has some decent handling and the interior is definitely much better. I'd really like to take one of these for a spin when they come out.
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Unfortunately when I take a look at Snaab's pictures of the back seat, I see how sloped the rear window is towards the seats and it reminds me that I have to look elsewhere for my needs.
  • snaabsnaab Posts: 72
    i dont think that head room is too much of an issue back there. however maybe this is because the seat is too low. headroom: good. comfort: not too great.
  • ab348ab348 Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CanadaPosts: 6,247
    Sadly, whenever I read a C&D review of any new model I take it with several shakers worth of salt. They almost always rave about a new model only to trash it 6 months or a year later. The only exception I can think of lately is the Ion. I think I'll wait for a while before passing judgement.

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  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Still it's encouraging to see a good review out of the gate here. Back seat in the new GP is bad though, fine for kids but not good for adults IMO. Anyone else seen a different review of the 04 GP?
  • phrostedphrosted Posts: 3
    Does anyone know if you can get one color cloth seats? Those two-tone seats look too old-manish...
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  • snaabsnaab Posts: 72
    thats the only pattern you can get on the cloth seats. the leather is supposed to be of better quality this year. and i think its only about $600 more and comes with heated seats. not a bad deal in my mind.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    If you do not want leather, if they pay YOU $600 to take it, it is not a good deal. That cloth alone is enough reason for me to go back to ONLY considering a Mazda6. First GM lost me by putting the old generation of supercharged 3800s in the new Impala SS, and now this. I do not need a car that my business associates would never take seriously.

    Plus, I agree, there is no way I am putting a real estate agent and a lawyer in that back seat for a 100 mile trip. No way.

    Guess I better call up the Mazda dealer and make an appointment.
  • phrostedphrosted Posts: 3
    That really, really sucks. Pontiac was supposed to offer interior color choices, does the black cloth have that 2-tone? Hope not...
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Is there a 04 GP brochure available yet?
  • vcjumpervcjumper Posts: 1,110
    Pattern does seem pretty silly/reminds me of a Neon. Is leather standard on the GTP model?

    I can just see all the GTP quarter mile racers that this car attracts racing down the track with their funky coloured seats.
  • richm4richm4 Posts: 169
    I agree with you on those cloth seats. UGLY!
  • orwoodyorwoody Posts: 269
    I'm not ragging on Pontiac here as my past 4/5 Pontiacs(except the 82 Firebird) have been very good to me) but I got a bit put off by some things they did on the 2004 GP/GTP so I'm waiting.
    As for colors - Remember up to 5/6 years ago you could get a large selection of color choices interior and exterior.(my 96 Bonneville with Teal/Teal leather was the most beautiful car I've ever owned.) Then Pontiac cut choices way down on some models... in fact I think in 2000 or there abouts the only leather color you could get in a GP was charcoal. It is one way to save $$. The only choices I saw for 2004 were charcoal and parchment. Add to that the cheap looking PW/PDL toggles, pull bar, steering wheel and those ugly 10 spoke wheels. Knowing there will be few if any incentives on the 2004 led me to decide on getting a 2003(which I got for ~$8k less than MSRP) and wait to see how the 2004 GTP pans out.
    Johnc - I drove the Mazda6s and liked it, especially the interior; but Mazda has funny option combos, low/no incentives and it's smaller inside.
    dindak - I got a brochure at the PDX Auto Show 1st of Feb, dealers should have some.
    VCJ - I agree on the cloth pattern

    damn long day at work, must be testy!!

    FYI - I do some international travel with my job. Funny - the various mfrs tailor models, options and quality level to the particular markets:
    - Quality of fit/finish is much better on Toyotas., Hondas, BMWs, Fords and GMs offered in places like Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong...
    - Ever see a Toyota Corolla with real wood trim? It's offered in Singapore!
    - Distance sensors are options on most cars sold in places like Singaporee, Japan... only see them on Luxo models here!
    Granted many of these countries control the availability snd cost of autos in those countries, but based on what I've seen even the Japanese car companies have bought in to the fact that Americans(and some other conutries) will accept lower quality than some other cultures...
  • regfootballregfootball Posts: 2,166
    they had an interactive display at the autoshow here where you could simulate the HUD and TAPshift. So they had partial new GP interiors set up (cockpits) with the dash and center console.

    I don't see how they claim Pontiac has actually improved on the plastics front. Same old same old from what I can tell.
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    I got a 2 page brochure at the Toronto show last month, but is the full 8-12 page retail one available yet?
  • dindakdindak Posts: 6,632
    Better get some new glasses.
  • oldsman01oldsman01 Posts: 1,203
    The Mazda 6 isn't a bad alternatice, but don't worry about your business associates not taking your car seriously. I could care less what mine think of my car. And if you get the GTP model, just pull up alongside them at a stop and 1/4 mile down the road see who is taking the car seriously. That is unless they drive an M3 or something, in which case they aren't going to take a Poncho seriously no matter how rich the interior materials are. I do agree that from the pics the cloth seats look cheap. But the leather upgrade is very reasonably priced and includes heated seats. After having two cars with leather seats(one with heated) I typically want them in a car now.
  • johnclineiijohnclineii Posts: 2,287
    I am not concerned about being taken seriously, I am concerned whether the realtor and lawyer would be able to WALK after getting out of that back seat on a long trip. Or whether there is even enough headroom.

    And I do want to be seen as an adult.

    As to leather, I am a noise freak extraordinaire. And cloth equipped cars are much quieter. I have had one car with leather. Never, ever again.
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